Crazy Levi Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 The Skins line is awful and I doubt Good Counsel would respect their passing game. This is not a recipe for rushing success, and Choice won't be having any, nor will any other castoff. Adrian Peterson would probably put up 50 yards a game here. Until we have an actual NFL caliber line this won't change. We've all seen this movie a thousand times, yet we keep buying a ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshskins44 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I may be wrong, but I think I read that the Redskins are in very good shape with the salary cap next season. And lots of draft picks! ---------- Post added November-16th-2011 at 12:37 PM ---------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themurf Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 He's not that much of an upgrade over Torain or Helu, but the question remains is can he shoulder the load? Over the last five games, Torain has 31 carries for 53 yards (1.7 yards per carry). So basically, as long as Choice rushes for at least 1.8 yards per carry, he's an upgrade over what the Redskins have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Who knows? I'm starting him over Torain in fantasy this week because my RBs blow. We definitely miss Kory L. I wish Shanny would have done more in the offseason offensive line-wise, but at least he did something. The previous regime wasn't exactly big on building the trenches. Vinny would have missed on another receiver before he took Trent Williams. This offseason will be all about the offense. Should be interesting -- as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Just curious: How will the Redskins be looking salary cap wise heading into the offseason? As we currently stand, I believe we're somewhere in the region of $37 million under the cap going into 2012, but don't quote me. Of course we've some big re-signs to consider before we even get into FA and the draft, but we're as healthy as we've been in a good whiles at present going forward. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 You saying that line Portis was behind is better than this one?...All of a sudden they got "talented" the last six games of the season? uh, no.sometimes you have just got to "will" some wins...and it takes heart. everyone in the nfl are pros, talented, etc. Our line didn't get "better" for the playoff run, they were good to begin with. When you're leading games by two possessions, which we were 4 out of the last 5 games you run the ball to protect the lead, especially on a Joe Gibbs offense. Portis averaged 4.0 or 4.1 for 3 out of the 5 last games. That's average for an NFL runningback. His two big ypc games came against the #28 (St. Louis) and #15 (Dallas) run defenses. That Dallas game was the one Cooley had three touchdowns in the first half. Our running offense didn't all of a sudden become dominant because our line "will[ed]" some wins. There isn't an easy fix to this. Our players don't need to be better coached or better motivated, they need to be better players. Our failures are due to a severe lack of talent. Poor management and constant schematic changes will do this to an organization. A lot of the OL we have aren't being groomed to become starters on this team, they are being groomed to be backups. This offseason is about the offense. After QB, OL is our top priority. With improved OL play the running game will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAfan47 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Wow.... 2 yrds per carry would put him in front of the competition lol..... How sad is that??? (Slaps palm in face) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeroburrito Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 he's starter quality, but you couldn't expect choice to get many carries with the other rb's dallas has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backpack3r Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 As we currently stand, I believe we're somewhere in the region of $37 million under the cap going into 2012, but don't quote me. Of course we've some big re-signs to consider before we even get into FA and the draft, but we're as healthy as we've been in a good whiles at present going forward. Hail. Like Fred Davis and Laron Landry right? There isnt one more is there? Also i think we should try to target a WR in FA this offseason, i dont know who is available though. Desean maybe lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Like Fred Davis and Laron Landry right? There isnt one more is there?Also i think we should try to target a WR in FA this offseason, i dont know who is available though. Desean maybe lol? I think Dwayne Bowe and V Jax are the cream of the crop this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 All this is mute if he can't even get, ya know, on the field.... It can't speak if he can't get on the field? What? Over the last five games, Torain has 31 carries for 53 yards (1.7 yards per carry). So basically, as long as Choice rushes for at least 1.8 yards per carry, he's an upgrade over what the Redskins have had. Wow.... 2 yrds per carry would put him in front of the competition lol..... How sad is that???(Slaps palm in face) Helu has 4.5 ypc on 19 carries over the same span. Why we even bother with Torain anymore is a complete mystery to me. Like Fred Davis and Laron Landry right? There isnt one more is there?Also i think we should try to target a WR in FA this offseason, i dont know who is available though. Desean maybe lol? London Fletcher but he isn't likely to be a big payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 which obviously means that the Oline should be a priority this offseason. Especially as it relates to depth. I'm certain, after 14 seasons he just suddenly forgot about running the football. Maybe the rest of the league has changed and what he knows is no longer relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbeans Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Choice is a complete back. He's pretty shifty, can run with power, excellent receiver, good in pass protection. He's much better than Torain. I haven't seen enough of Helu to comment.His problem in Dallas was that he wanted more carries, then when Jones gets hurt, Choice fumbles on his first carry. Murray runs for 250 in the next game. Pretty much over for Choice at that point. The third string back is a banger, so there just weren't any carries left for Choice. Actually his problem in Dallas was pouting, running his mouth, fumbling at bad times, and refusing to play special teams. He is a backup or 3rd string RB who fancies himself a bonafide star RB and wanted to be treated like one on the back of 2 or 3 decent games 3 years ago. He has the talent to fill in nicely for a game or two and spell the starter occasionally but thats about it. He's been fumbling way to much to be a starting workhorse RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 You saying that line Portis was behind is better than this one?...All of a sudden they got "talented" the last six games of the season? uh, no. Oh, God. That 2005 line was good by any standard. It had one of the best LTs in the league, and it had a very good RT who was just starting his decline. The Redskins probably had the best combination of tackles in football for a few years in the middle part of this decade. Randy Thomas that year was maybe the second or third best guard in football. Dockery had his issues but was good enough to get a massive free agent contract two years later. Casey Rabach was pretty good. And think of this: That starting five missed two games among them. It was 14 games of all 5 in the starting lineup and two games without Thomas. That 2005 team was very good in retrospect and was completely hamstrung my Mark Brunell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 That 2005 team was very good in retrospect and was completely hamstrung my Mark Brunell. Brunell was fine until Patton went down and teams didn't feel like they needed to pay attention to a 2nd WR. Once you blanket Moss and Cooley there wasn't much that Brunell could do. What happened at the end of the season was that the OL did break down and that was the last straw. But, 2005-2006 was the prime for that line. After that, it all went downhill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Brunell was fine until Patton went down and teams didn't feel like they needed to pay attention to a 2nd WR. Once you blanket Moss and Cooley there wasn't much that Brunell could do.What happened at the end of the season was that the OL did break down and that was the last straw. But, 2005-2006 was the prime for that line. After that, it all went downhill. The lack of a REAL playmaker (somebody better than Moss and Cooley) has been an issue for this team for a LONG time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanCTT Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Helu is complete garbage.....and if that is how I feel then Choice is driving the garbage to to dump. They suck, plain and simple. Torian would excel on ANY other team in the NFL. If he went to KC like it was rumored earlier we would be saying "why did we trade him"? ---------- Post added November-19th-2011 at 07:02 PM ---------- It can't speak if he can't get on the field? What?Helu has 4.5 ypc on 19 carries over the same span. Why we even bother with Torain anymore is a complete mystery to me. London Fletcher but he isn't likely to be a big payout. Helu is complete garbage, wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryGreenMonk Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'm not sure Barry Sanders or Gale Sayers could run through the extreme patchwork OLine we might be dealing with this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PosseLover Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Helu will be a star here in Washington if the FO builds a great OL like he had while at Nebraska. Imagine him behind a solid, consistent and confident OL... Nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCamp4QB Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 All this is mute if he can't even get, ya know, on the field.... BTW its moot not mute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginsu101 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 BTW its moot not mute. BTW it's "it's" not "its". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972dodgedart Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Hopefully he will be able to give the Skins some inside dope a la Barry Cofield and the Giants. Otherwise, I'm only willing to venture that he'll probably be more useful than Larry Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat~man Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I seriously doubt it. He is just gonna be another Rb in a stable of RBs that can't get going behind this joke of an o-line. I don't mind them bringing him in because it doesn't hurt us ...but don't kid yourself if you think we found a gem. We never find gems. I don't think you can ever expect too much from a player that gets cut in the middle of a season...especially when the team that cut him has an oft injured back in Felix Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacePenguin Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Brunell was fine until Patton went down and teams didn't feel like they needed to pay attention to a 2nd WR. Once you blanket Moss and Cooley there wasn't much that Brunell could do.What happened at the end of the season was that the OL did break down and that was the last straw. But, 2005-2006 was the prime for that line. After that, it all went downhill. Really....I'd kill for 2005 pre-injury Mark Brunell right now. Not that the current line could protect him for more than a few weeks. On topic, as many others have said, I don't think any back could do much behind this OL. Maybe he'll be an upgrade in pass pro though. Not that we have any weapons or anything. I really dread Sundays lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I want to change my answer to "Yes, yes he can." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.