RSimports Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Wow, that is my first look at a professional nfl team playbook and my head hurts...it's very interesting to see what an actual player has to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I wonder if anybody has created an app for playbooks on the ipad.The Tamp Bay Bucs handed out iPads instead of playbooks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iXiBrianiXi Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 These two would be the most telling as to what we'd be running. 04 Bronco's : http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/prooffense2/2004_Denver_Broncos_Mini_Camp.pdf And depending on when Kyle joined the Texans.. 03 Texan's Offense: http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/prooffense2/2003_Houston_Texans.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Colony Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 If the Raiders playbook is anything like this, I'll be very impressed if Carson Palmer can learn it in less than a week and start on Sunday. I'm sure they'll give him only parts of it at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 The Tamp Bay Bucs handed out iPads instead of playbooks this year. The revolution has started......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Along with what was said before, its a trade off. A basic philosophy is to drill the assignments into the players in practice so the players don't really have to think much on game day.Sorry Hitman. You kind of covered this. Its not just a question of learning all the assignments/routes/terminology its also being able to understand the adjustments needed based on what the defense do. For any given route called in the huddle there will be any number of adjustments based on the coverage, blitzes etc. A receiver has to be able to see the same coverage the QB sees and make the proper adjustment to be in the spot the QB expects. Next time you see a QB throw the ball and there is not a receiver within 20 yards and you think 'what the heck" its almost certain the receiver and QB read the coverage differently and the receiver did not make the adjustment the QB expected. At the NFL level its not enough to be a great athlete, its not even enough to be a great athlete who understands his play book - you also need to be able to think and adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Jesus. I don't think I could ever even begin to comprehend ANY of this madness. I mean I get the basic gist, ish, but the number of formations, the terminology, learning what you're supposed to do on every single play. It's pure insanity that guys have to keep this much stuff in their head at any given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I am thinking the opposite. Maybe things have gotten simpler with the advancement of the athlete and technology. No, although the type of intelligence is very specialized and you may get a pass on other areas that most people don't. At every level of football, intelligence is even more important and that is a big reason why so many great HSers bust in college and great college players bust in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 No, although the type of intelligence is very specialized and you may get a pass on other areas that most people don't. At every level of football, intelligence is even more important and that is a big reason why so many great HSers bust in college and great college players bust in the pros. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarobinson Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 If the Raiders playbook is anything like this, I'll be very impressed if Carson Palmer can learn it in less than a week and start on Sunday. I'm sure they'll give him only parts of it at first. Palmer worked with Hue Jackson in Cinci, so I'm sure they will be on the same page. I doubt he'll have to digest all 700 pages of Saunders' playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 You know, when you look at the individual detail; and you then look at P.Manning who his teammates will openly tell you knows where every player should be, and what his role in most every play is; it's hard to think that dudes not an absolute freak of nature who's gona' make one Hell of a coach if he so chose's. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 And these aren't including what the OL has to know. You want to talk about complicated, take a look at run blocking/protection schemes. They'll make your eyeballs bulge if you don't know what you're looking at.Terminology is tough for people to get used to. Each coach has their own language The terminology is a pain in the ass. The blocking schemes are less difficult to comprehend if you know some of the basic rules at play. And depending on when Kyle joined the Texans..03 Texan's Offense: http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/prooffense2/2003_Houston_Texans.pdf That would have been Dom Capers' OC. Kubiak didn't take over until 2006 and Kyle showed up in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Its not just a question of learning all the assignments/routes/terminology its also being able to understand the adjustments needed based on what the defense do. For any given route called in the huddle there will be any number of adjustments based on the coverage, blitzes etc. A receiver has to be able to see the same coverage the QB sees and make the proper adjustment to be in the spot the QB expects.Next time you see a QB throw the ball and there is not a receiver within 20 yards and you think 'what the heck" its almost certain the receiver and QB read the coverage differently and the receiver did not make the adjustment the QB expected. At the NFL level its not enough to be a great athlete, its not even enough to be a great athlete who understands his play book - you also need to be able to think and adjust. They may have read the coverage differently but what they read and how they adjusted is based on what was drilled into their heads. Whoever misread the coverage failed to do what he was taught in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 You know, when you look at the individual detail; and you then look at P.Manning who his teammates will openly tell you knows where every player should be, and what his role in most every play is; it's hard to think that dudes not an absolute freak of nature who's gona' make one Hell of a coach if he so chose's.Hail. If he makes a great coach it will be because of his unreal work ethic. Knowing an offense through and through like that is decidedly less impressive when you consider how stable the Colts have been offensively up until this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAP_Pete Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Those are great ! Glad I played D line haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 They may have read the coverage differently but what they read and how they adjusted is based on what was drilled into their heads. Whoever misread the coverage failed to do what he was taught in practice. It's about application of what you were taught. It's one thing knowing what you should do in certain situations, it's another recognizing the situation/coverage and making the proper adjustment with the lights on in a game. This might be semantics to an extent but the higher the level of play the more physical ability is a given and it's football intelligence which separates those who make the grade and are productive and those who aren't. It's one of the reasons the draft s a crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Jesus. I don't think I could ever even begin to comprehend ANY of this madness. I mean I get the basic gist, ish, but the number of formations, the terminology, learning what you're supposed to do on every single play. It's pure insanity that guys have to keep this much stuff in their head at any given time. Just think...Peyton Manning knows practically the entire Colts playbook (hell, he probably designed some of it himself) and is able to adjust everything on the fly without thinking twice. If Luck can do that, too... Hoo boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 You know, when you look at the individual detail; and you then look at P.Manning who his teammates will openly tell you knows where every player should be, and what his role in most every play is; it's hard to think that dudes not an absolute freak of nature who's gona' make one Hell of a coach if he so chose's.Hail. Peyton Manning's post-career opportunities are limitless. On Saturday, he was in the booth with Verne Lunquist on CBS. The guy was reading defenses like it was nothing. He's going to make one hell of a color-analyst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Peyton Manning's post-career opportunities are limitless. On Saturday, he was in the booth with Verne Lunquist on CBS. The guy was reading defenses like it was nothing. He's going to make one hell of a color-analyst. Seriously, the dudes unreal. With his football intelligence, coupled with his God given talent; he's just about the most complete player there's ever been in any era. I was shaking my head reading Gary Bracket this past camp saying Peyton was on the sidelines watching the Colts practice, and he was advising the rooks on the defense what they were doing wrong and where they should be lined up. He's a phenom when it comes to understanding every aspect of this game. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 It's about application of what you were taught. It's one thing knowing what you should do in certain situations, it's another recognizing the situation/coverage and making the proper adjustment with the lights on in a game. This might be semantics to an extent but the higher the level of play the more physical ability is a given and it's football intelligence which separates those who make the grade and are productive and those who aren't. It's one of the reasons the draft s a crap shoot. It is semantics. Probably should have used the term rules-based decision making versus judgment-based decision making as opposed to thinking. Making your decisions based on rules you learned in practice is one of the core elements of the Walsh philosophy for running an offense. BTW, this is also true for the coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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