WeThreeKingsRuleU Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 But when put in the role of their team's QB, and add in how they mesh with the cast around them, I will take rex over each of them anyway. Meh, I'd rather have Eli handing it off to Torain/Helu/Hightower 60% of the time and throwing a jump ball to a GIANT receiver on a fade route in the end zone...but that would require the Skins having a giant reciever...and without one, Eli is trash...so...wait, what were we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'm talking about skill wise or just in general Theirs no such thing as 'skill wise' in the win/loss column. I'll take whoever is winning over whoever is loosing. If I'm a fan I will support my teams winning QB over the crap divisional rivals. HTTR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfan7224 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Think about this....Rex is the only NFC East QB to not have had an INT returned for a TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Meh, I'd rather have Eli handing it off to Torain/Helu/Hightower 60% of the time and throwing a jump ball to a GIANT receiver on a fade route in the end zone...but that would require the Skins having a giant reciever...and without one, Eli is trash...so...wait, what were we talking about? Which is the giant you are talking about? The 6-0 Cruz and Manningham or the 6-1 Nicks? Jabar Gaffney is 6-2, Stallworth is 6-0, and Hankerson is 6-2. The Giants don't have a 6-5 megatron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Rex isn't even close to being the best of the four. Sorry but it is what it is. His stats this season tell the story and the story is "bad". He's had one good game and that was against the giants. Every other game is why he's24th in completion percentage (58%) 23rd in QB Rating (78.7) 19th in TD (6) 20th in avg per attempt (6.9) 15th in yards per game (247.2) Almost all his numbers put him in the bottom half of the league. This season the best of the four has been Eli Manning. He's made far more TD's than major mistakes and he stays healthy. Romo sits to pee has personally lost two games for his team and Vick is made of glass in addition to being turnover prone this season. Hello Fair and Logical! But...don't wins and losses really matter anymore? What do stats matter if you have more wins? Who cares what your talent and potential are if you aren't winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyclarkforhall Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Eli's BEST play against a bad team was a jump ball into two defenders which required Cruz to make an unbelievable play. He gets away with more of those than anyone else in the league, including in the Super Bowl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Hello Fair and Logical! But...don't wins and losses really matter anymore? What do stats matter if you have more wins? Who cares what your talent and potential are if you aren't winning? We aren't talking about teams we are talking about Quarterbacks. Cam Newton has played far better than Andy Dalton this season but Andy Dalton has more wins. Should we pretend he's the better QB and ignore the fact that he his team has a much better defense? Think Vick would be 1-4 right now if the Eagles had the Skins defense? ---------- Post added October-10th-2011 at 02:20 PM ---------- Eli's BEST play against a bad team was a jump ball into two defenders which required Cruz to make an unbelievable play. He gets away with more of those than anyone else in the league, including in the Super Bowl... He also has 11 touchdown passes while Vick (8), Romo sits to pee (7), and Rex (6) haven't hit double digits. So take that TD away and he's still two four TD passes ahead of Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 he also sucks ass - that could explain it Well, except for all the yards, touchdowns, and wins he compiles every year. That Super Bowl Ring doesn't suck too much either. If his name was anything other than Manning, he'd be considered an elite QB. He lives in his brother's shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlkyCaramel Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well, except for all the yards, touchdowns, and wins he compiles every year. That Super Bowl Ring doesn't suck too much either.If his name was anything other than Manning, he'd be considered an elite QB. He lives in his brother's shadow Umm, it's his turnovers, not his name, that prevent him from earning that title and yes he is better than Grossman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyclarkforhall Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 He also has 11 touchdown passes while Vick (8), Romo sits to pee (7), and Rex (6) haven't hit double digits. So take that TD away and he's still two four TD passes ahead of Rex. He had a brilliant game against the Eagles and has played one more game than Rex and Romo sits to pee also... To clarify, I don't think he's trash like others. But I don't think he's Top 5 like he does either. My biggest gripe on this whole subject is that Rex is the only one judged by turnovers - good Rex, bad Rex. There's clearly Good Eli and Bad Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Think about this....Rex is the only NFC East QB to not have had an INT returned for a TD There but for the Grace of God and all that. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfan7224 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 There but for the Grace of God and all that.Hail. :ols: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 He had a brilliant game against the Eagles and has played one more game than Rex and Romo sits to pee also...To clarify, I don't think he's trash like others. But I don't think he's Top 5 like he does either. My biggest gripe on this whole subject is that Rex is the only one judged by turnovers - good Rex, bad Rex. There's clearly Good Eli and Bad Eli. I agree Eli is not a top 5 elite QB. He's good not great so I'd put him in the top half of the league certainly not the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeThreeKingsRuleU Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Which is the giant you are talking about? The 6-0 Cruz and Manningham or the 6-1 Nicks? Jabar Gaffney is 6-2, Stallworth is 6-0, and Hankerson is 6-2. The Giants don't have a 6-5 megatron. I wasn't refering to his current stable of receivers, but rather the 6-5 Plaxico Buress that helped make Mannings career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I am talking better QB just in general this year.Bad Rex > Bad Vick, Bad Romo sits to pee. Absolutely :yes:..."Bad Rex" this year has yet to have a game as atrocious as "Bad Vick" and 'Bad "Romo sits to pee". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I just really really hope no one in this thread is trying to say the Redskins are better with Rex than if we had Eli instead. I think I might be reading that, but my brain won't allow it to process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Umm, it's his turnovers, not his name, that prevent him from earning that title and yes he is better than Grossman. Drew Brees turns it over just as much, but nobody cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 If we're bring stats into it then look at Vick from the last 4 games of last season through week 5 this season....12 int's and 9 fumbles? just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Drew Brees turns it over just as much, but nobody cares. I think I'll coin a new mott: Rex Grossman...he's just like Drew Brees, minus the touchdown passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 There is no "bad" QB that I've ever seen as horrifying as bad Romo sits to pee. What he did against the Lions was incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 There is no "bad" QB that I've ever seen as horrifying as bad Romo sits to pee. What he did against the Lions was incredible.Bad JaMarcus is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeThreeKingsRuleU Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Eli's BEST play against a bad team was a jump ball into two defenders which required Cruz to make an unbelievable play. He gets away with more of those than anyone else in the league, including in the Super Bowl... One may equate that to faith in one's receiver, or faith in one's own throw, but given shEli's propensity for interceptions (just like Rex's, see? I'm not biased) I equate it to a "wing and a prayer"....figuratively, which is not typical of elite QB's, THEREFORE, I, personally, do not rank Eli among elite QB's, but rather point out his dependence on the run game and tall receivers, e.g. Plaxico "I'm so tough I'll shoot myself in the leg to prove it" Buress, and I will continue to not be surprised he is not having a repeat year without his services, but rather, a year of mediocrity for as long as Victor Cruz can continue to pull out amazing games. Once Cruz comes falling back to earth, or establishes himself as an elite receiver, then Eli's 2011 will be determined, not before. /onelongrunonsentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 We can just do this... last of 2010 into 2011... Player A - team record 5-4, 19 td's to 13 ints - 4 fumbles Player B - team record 3-7 15 td's to 12 ints - 9 fumbles Player C - team record 2-5 14 td's 10 ints - 3 fumbles Player C - team record 4-3 13 td's 9 ints - 6 fumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Eliminate the fumbles and unlucky turnovers and Rex is holding his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Rex is the most consistent quarterback in the division right now. Best? No. But consistent? Sure. Because we all know what we're going to get with Rex. He can effectively manage a game, and every once in a while his statline is going to be insanely good and he'll look all world, and then he'll have a 2INT one fumble game, but we'll just chalk it up to Rex being Rex. You never know what's your going to get with Eli, Tony, or Vick, because they are all capable of putting on games even WORSE than anything Rex can do. So yeah, Rex is the most consistent quarterback, since him getting through a game and not messing up too bad is thought to be a miracle, whereas more is expected of the other three guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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