It's "Time for Torain"

[Purpose Driven]

Ok. I'm not calling for Hightowers head. I don't want to bench him, because he's a good player and brings some high energy to the team. I want him to continue to start, but I'd also like to see Torain get some carries if Tim starts to struggle against more physical defeneses like Dallass.

Give Tim 15 carries. Helu 5-10 and Torain 5-10. That would be between 25-35 carries total. Hightower ran with more energy in the preseason to cement himself as the #1. You have to remember that even though he played against starters in the preseason, most of the defensive starters are just trying to get their reps in and avoiding injury. Hightower has played well in the 3 games, but he seems to be missing the cutback lanes. Watching the replays, the line is not as bad as some of you are making it to be. I see alot of cutback lanes that he's missing.

My reason for wanting Torain to get some carries is not the same reason some of you have in here. Torain has been in Shanny's offense since he was drafted out of college. He knows the offense like the back of his hand. He's very decisive in hitting the cutback lanes and doesn't hesitate. I see Hightower hesitating slightly. In football, you run the ball to set up the pass, not the other way around. Teams know we want to run the ball and are geared to stop it. I think you'll see a better Rex if we run the ball like we did against the Giants. When we ran the ball, he was completing everything. When we don't run it, he reverts to Bad Rex.

I just think Torain's knowledge of the running game in this offense would give a spark. It has nothing, zero, zilch to do with who is faster or stronger.

as a hightower fan, i actually think you make some great points. Excellent post.

[flock53]

Yeah, I think the OL will block much better for Torain.

The line is basically the same as last year......AVERAGE. If they arent the best blockers, sometimes you need a guy that will MAKE his own yards (I remember Torain trucking people last year). If blocking is an issue, use Hightower. It sorta tips your hat but hes a decent enough runner to have to respect it. GET BACK TO BASICS... Pound w/ Torain and use Helu as a breather/COP and Hightower as a 3rd down back. I appreciate Tims "overachiever" work ethic BUT he isnt that talented to make him a 20 carry guy.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Yeah,I guess you are correct about teams planning to stop the run. Torain is who he is.We need ammunition to fight battles with,and IMO Torain doesn't provide that for us, or any team in the nfl quite frankly. Whats next Helu will be the next Barry Sanders on here ...gotta love extremeskins

Thats fair enough man.

And what if Helu is the next Barry.......im kidding im kidding!!

[Hdf561]

No way....I didnt even think Torain should have made the roster....we should have kept Royster as our number 3 and tried to trade Torain....bottom line Hightower and especially Helu are better....I would however not mind seeing him in some goal line spots or even LATE in the game when we are running the clock down for a win in order to give TH and Helu a break.

[pjfootballer]

LOL at some of you saying trade Torain or he doesn't deserve a roster spot. He's on this team for two reasons and I'm sure this is Shanahan's thinking also:

1) This is the offense Torain has been in since he was drafted out of college and excels in. He knows the run game, he knows the cutback lanes and that is a reason he was drafted by Mike and why he brought him to Washington. No other RB on our roster can make a claim they know the offense like he does. And he's proven when healthy to be very good at running it.

2) What if Hightower is out for an extended period of time or worse for the year? Who starts? A rookie with 10 carries in his career? That's why he was kept on the active roster and why Royster is on the practice squad. Can you imagine Hightower going down and we have 2 rookies in the backfield? Geez Louise some of you need to brush up on your football smarts.

[GibbsFactor]

Torrain is going to be the second half forgotten weapon.

I think Shanny is sitting him out on purpose right now to save him for November.

[Hdf561]

LOL at some of you saying trade Torain or he doesn't deserve a roster spot. He's on this team for two reasons and I'm sure this is Shanahan's thinking also:

1) This is the offense Torain has been in since he was drafted out of college and excels in. He knows the run game, he knows the cutback lanes and that is a reason he was drafted by Mike and why he brought him to Washington. No other RB on our roster can make a claim they know the offense like he does. And he's proven when healthy to be very good at running it.

2) What if Hightower is out for an extended period of time or worse for the year? Who starts? A rookie with 10 carries in his career? That's why he was kept on the active roster and why Royster is on the practice squad. Can you imagine Hightower going down and we have 2 rookies in the backfield? Geez Louise some of you need to brush up on your football smarts.

I can understand the logic, but the higher likely hood is if we give Torain carries he is the one who is going to get hurt....thats the history I am worried about. We are not a superbowl team and he played very well last year so in my opinion we should have taken that good performance from last year and used it for a trade in order to improve the other holes on our team (either with future draft picks, or with another player) we have TH who is a veteran and then we develope our 2 rookies during the season by letting them learn the O get some carries and then have a more expanded role in the coming seasons. At this point from what I have seen of Helu (preseason and first 3 games) I know if TH went down our RB production would not drop at all if he were to start....which makes it look even better for the next year.

Bottom line this season is about the future....so why hold on to a guy who is not in our long term plans, who we are not going to use....it would be better for the team to get our younger guys the experience so that in a season or two they are ready to carry the load so we can win a Superbowl....not just a couple games.

[pjfootballer]

I can understand the logic, but the higher likely hood is if we give Torain carries he is the one who is going to get hurt....thats the history I am worried about. We are not a superbowl team and he played very well last year so in my opinion we should have taken that good performance from last year and used it for a trade in order to improve the other holes on our team (either with future draft picks, or with another player) we have TH who is a veteran and then we develope our 2 rookies during the season by letting them learn the O get some carries and then have a more expanded role in the coming seasons. At this point from what I have seen of Helu (preseason and first 3 games) I know if TH went down our RB production would not drop at all if he were to start....which makes it look even better for the next year.

Bottom line this season is about the future....so why hold on to a guy who is not in our long term plans, who we are not going to use....it would be better for the team to get our younger guys the experience so that in a season or two they are ready to carry the load so we can win a Superbowl....not just a couple games.

1) Torain had 700 yards last year in about 8 starts. He's also been injured in his career so he really has no trade value. Let Royster learn on the PS. I doubt anyone wants a 6th round RB that they would have to sign to their active roster who has no real game experience.

2) You say trade him for youth? He's 25 years old. How much younger does he have to be? And how do you know he's not in our future plans? Have you talked to Bruce?

3) Your assumption is that Hightower will remain healthy (which I hope he does), but you don't understand that Torain is the insurance policy.

4) I'm not saying dump Hightower. In my other post in here I said let Hightower start and get 15+ carries. Give Roy 5-10 and Torain 5-10. Have Torain run the ball when it looks like Hightower is struggling against a more physical defense. In my scenerio every still stays fresh and the offense becomes more potent. You can't deny Torain looked good in this offense last year despite how bad of a line we had.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

I couldn't agree more with what youre saying PJ!

[Hdf561]

1) Torain had 700 yards last year in about 8 starts. He's also been injured in his career so he really has no trade value. Let Royster learn on the PS. I doubt anyone wants a 6th round RB that they would have to sign to their active roster who has no real game experience.

2) You say trade him for youth? He's 25 years old. How much younger does he have to be? And how do you know he's not in our future plans? Have you talked to Bruce?

3) Your assumption is that Hightower will remain healthy (which I hope he does), but you don't understand that Torain is the insurance policy.

4) I'm not saying dump Hightower. In my other post in here I said let Hightower start and get 15+ carries. Give Roy 5-10 and Torain 5-10. Have Torain run the ball when it looks like Hightower is struggling against a more physical defense. In my scenerio every still stays fresh and the offense becomes more potent. You can't deny Torain looked good in this offense last year despite how bad of a line we had.

Torain must be your best friend, by the way your responding its like I stole your car, and ran Torain over with it.....take it easy.

All I am doing is just giving my opinion....sure Torain is 25 but he is a highmilage 25 with injury history, he has been hurt EVERY year he has played in the NFL, and his last year in college thats not insulting the guy, or downing his playing style its a fact. To me he is a time bomb waiting to go off, its not a question of if but when he will get hurt again.

In my OPINION (no I havent talked to Bruce...have you?) any carries he would get would be better served to develope Helu, or Royster who are both younger, and will more than likely be here alot longer than Torain. I think with the performance that orain put up last year a team would take him in a trade especially for a 5, or 6th rnd draft pick which we could use to continue to build depth in our organization in the hopes of making it back to the Superbowl, which I belive we have all come to the conclusion will not happen this year. Sure putting Torain in might win us a game or 2 but in the long run it only hurts the development of our team, and delays the ultimate goal.

[wrecker]

I couldn't agree more with what youre saying PJ!

I couldn't disagree more with what you are saying PJ.

Most running backs need to get into the rhythm of the game. They do need to be spelled from time to time if they get tired or after big runs.

Hell, Riggo didn't get started until he had 10 carries under his belt. I can see having a third down specialist in some cases but you need to have your go to starter and feed him the rock.

If he is a good back he will start picking out certain things the defense and OL are doing throughout the course of the game and make subtle corrections to start turning 2-3 yard gains into 4-6 yard gains.

He will also start to gel better with the OL as the season wears on by getting most of the practice and game reps.

If you keep alternating backs in a game neither will establish this rhythm. :2cents:

[Purpose Driven]

Question for everyone: Who are the four backs on the roster next year? Do they resign TH? I think its a 50/50 split with Helu and whomever they keep Torain or Hightower....Royster will be the changeup, i.e. sit on the bench.

[TK]

We'll see Helu get the nod if Hightower continues to have vision issues.

[Rudechain]

Torain must be your best friend, by the way your responding its like I stole your car, and ran Torain over with it.....take it easy.

All I am doing is just giving my opinion....sure Torain is 25 but he is a highmilage 25 with injury history, he has been hurt EVERY year he has played in the NFL, and his last year in college thats not insulting the guy, or downing his playing style its a fact. To me he is a time bomb waiting to go off, its not a question of if but when he will get hurt again.

In my OPINION (no I havent talked to Bruce...have you?) any carries he would get would be better served to develope Helu, or Royster who are both younger, and will more than likely be here alot longer than Torain. I think with the performance that orain put up last year a team would take him in a trade especially for a 5, or 6th rnd draft pick which we could use to continue to build depth in our organization in the hopes of making it back to the Superbowl, which I belive we have all come to the conclusion will not happen this year. Sure putting Torain in might win us a game or 2 but in the long run it only hurts the development of our team, and delays the ultimate goal.

Sorry but this just makes no sense.

You state he is injury prone, and think we could get a 5th or 6th round draft pick for him?

Torrain is here for now in case Hightower or Helu gets injured. He's an insurance policy.

Royster is on the practice squad, getting some reps and learning how to play at the NFL level.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

I couldn't disagree more with what you are saying PJ.

Most running backs need to get into the rhythm of the game. They do need to be spelled from time to time if they get tired or after big runs.

Hell, Riggo didn't get started until he had 10 carries under his belt. I can see having a third down specialist in some cases but you need to have your go to starter and feed him the rock.

If he is a good back he will start picking out certain things the defense and OL are doing throughout the course of the game and make subtle corrections to start turning 2-3 yard gains into 4-6 yard gains.

He will also start to gel better with the OL as the season wears on by getting most of the practice and game reps.

If you keep alternating backs in a game neither will establish this rhythm. :2cents:

I totally agree with u. RB's do need to get into a rhythem i think we all agree with that. I just think Torain should be given a chance. If that means give him 20 carries and HT 5-10 in a game to see what happens well i would be fine with that.

And to be honest i think we wont even be talking about this pretty soon b/c i think Helu is going to be the number 1 back in a few weeks and HT will be spelling him. I think a lot of us are maybe a little too high on HT. I mean i know i was when we signed him and he was killing it in pre-season. But since then he really has done anything that special. He has a low avg and hes getting a lot of carries and im pretty sure he hasn't broken 100 yards yet. I love the guy and love his attitude but i think Torain if 100% healthy should get a chance b/c he made the most of it last season. But guess we will just have to wait and see.

---------- Post added September-29th-2011 at 03:55 PM ----------

Question for everyone: Who are the four backs on the roster next year? Do they resign TH? I think its a 50/50 split with Helu and whomever they keep Torain or Hightower....Royster will be the changeup, i.e. sit on the bench.

My guess is Helu is the guy and if HT doesn't mind being a 2 we will re-sign him. Even tho like everyone can see i want Torain to get some reps.

[pjfootballer]

Torain must be your best friend, by the way your responding its like I stole your car, and ran Torain over with it.....take it easy.

All I am doing is just giving my opinion....sure Torain is 25 but he is a highmilage 25 with injury history, he has been hurt EVERY year he has played in the NFL, and his last year in college thats not insulting the guy, or downing his playing style its a fact. To me he is a time bomb waiting to go off, its not a question of if but when he will get hurt again.

In my OPINION (no I havent talked to Bruce...have you?) any carries he would get would be better served to develope Helu, or Royster who are both younger, and will more than likely be here alot longer than Torain. I think with the performance that orain put up last year a team would take him in a trade especially for a 5, or 6th rnd draft pick which we could use to continue to build depth in our organization in the hopes of making it back to the Superbowl, which I belive we have all come to the conclusion will not happen this year. Sure putting Torain in might win us a game or 2 but in the long run it only hurts the development of our team, and delays the ultimate goal.

Not my best friend, but all I'm trying to point out is my assumption as to why Mike kept him on the roster. What high mileage? He hasn't played enough to be labelled high mileage. Helu is playing so his "development" is not being hurt. Royster was a longshot to make the team as a 6th rounder, so he's done well to make the PS. He's at practice everyday learning so his development is right where a 6th rounder should be.

You still need a certain amount of veterans on the team. By your logic, we should get rid of Fletcher, Jamaal Brown, Hall, Buchanon, Moss and Gaffney since they are hurting the development of our younger players at those positions.

---------- Post added September-29th-2011 at 04:16 PM ----------

I couldn't disagree more with what you are saying PJ.

Most running backs need to get into the rhythm of the game. They do need to be spelled from time to time if they get tired or after big runs.

Hell, Riggo didn't get started until he had 10 carries under his belt. I can see having a third down specialist in some cases but you need to have your go to starter and feed him the rock.

If he is a good back he will start picking out certain things the defense and OL are doing throughout the course of the game and make subtle corrections to start turning 2-3 yard gains into 4-6 yard gains.

He will also start to gel better with the OL as the season wears on by getting most of the practice and game reps.

If you keep alternating backs in a game neither will establish this rhythm. :2cents:

The days of 35 carries went out the window with Emmitt Smith. Rarely does any back get 25 carries today. These players are used to platooning. Hightower will still get the majority of snaps.

[CrabR]

we do not need Torain we need a rg and a rt. Chester is horrible. brown gives up to many sacks

[Hdf561]

Sorry but this just makes no sense.

You state he is injury prone, and think we could get a 5th or 6th round draft pick for him?

Torrain is here for now in case Hightower or Helu gets injured. He's an insurance policy.

Royster is on the practice squad, getting some reps and learning how to play at the NFL level.

I dont see whats so hard to understand about it....If he is not good enough to get anything for then he shouldnt even be on the team since he wouldnt be able to play at an NFL level ala Portis. You think he should start yet do not think ANY other team in the NFL would want him? That doesnt make sense to me, if he wouldnt be able to play for any other team then why do we keep him?

[Rudechain]

I dont see whats so hard to understand about it....If he is not good enough to get anything for then he shouldnt even be on the team since he wouldnt be able to play at an NFL level ala Portis. You think he should start yet do not think ANY other team in the NFL would want him? That doesnt make sense to me, if he wouldnt be able to play for any other team then why do we keep him?

Because he's more valuable to THIS team as a backup running back. He has a good understanding of this type of offense and can come in if/when there is an injury.

And where did I say he should start? Go ahead and take your time looking back to find where I said he should start. You won't find it.

And yes your premise that he's always injured but some team would trade a 5th or 6th rounder is hard to understand.

RTV will get his touches, but he's not there yet. Since we are not privy to what goes on in practice and Shanny divulges this type of information much like it were state secrets, we don't know the actual condition of RTV. Maybe he's not quite in football shape. Maybe he's not showing enough in practice to usurp Helu or Hightower.

But I still wonder why you think he's worth a 5th or 6th rounder. He was released from Denver in August 2009 with an injury settlement and was not picked up till Washington signed him in April of 2010. I believe he has a role on this team, but not as likely on any other.

[Hdf561]

Because he's more valuable to THIS team as a backup running back. He has a good understanding of this type of offense and can come in if/when there is an injury.

And where did I say he should start? Go ahead and take your time looking back to find where I said he should start. You won't find it.

And yes your premise that he's always injured but some team would trade a 5th or 6th rounder is hard to understand.

RTV will get his touches, but he's not there yet. Since we are not privy to what goes on in practice and Shanny divulges this type of information much like it were state secrets, we don't know the actual condition of RTV. Maybe he's not quite in football shape. Maybe he's not showing enough in practice to usurp Helu or Hightower.

But I still wonder why you think he's worth a 5th or 6th rounder. He was released from Denver in August 2009 with an injury settlement and was not picked up till Washington signed him in April of 2010. I believe he has a role on this team, but not as likely on any other.

I just dont understand the logic and disagree, if NO ONE else would want him (like what your saying), and his only role is on this team then I do not see his value. he has proven time and time again that he cant not hold up in the NFL, sure he knows the offense but that does us NO GOOD with him being hurt or sitting on the sidelines (which is obviously the safest place for him) perhaps he should coach the running backs instead of being one, then I could see the value of his offensive knowledge.

We can speculate all we want but, IMO if we have a player that couldnt play on any other NFL team then he shouldnt be on this team either (I personally think we could trade him right now to Arizona, or KC since they are having running back injury issues and get something decent for him) plus people still remember him putting up 700 yards and not playing a full season last year, think about it this season he has 0 wear and tear so far, so coming into a new team in week 4 means you might get the rest of the season out of him before he gets hurt. I would definetly say he is an upgrade over Chester Taylor at this point especially for such a pass heavy team who needs the ability to establish the run.

Again its just an opinion, I do not think our long term future has him in it especially with what I have seen from Helu, and I think Royster will make the 53 next season with Helu starting and TH backing up....so again IMO I dont think he will be here after this season, so better to get something for him while that 700 yard season is still fresh in peoples minds then to cut him next year for nothing.

[Rudechain]

I just dont understand the logic and disagree, if NO ONE else would want him (like what your saying), and his only role is on this team then I do not see his value. he has proven time and time again that he cant not hold up in the NFL, sure he knows the offense but that does us NO GOOD with him being hurt or sitting on the sidelines (which is obviously the safest place for him) perhaps he should coach the running backs instead of being one, then I could see the value of his offensive knowledge.

We can speculate all we want but, IMO if we have a player that couldnt play on any other NFL team then he shouldnt be on this team either (I personally think we could trade him right now to Arizona, or KC since they are having running back injury issues and get something decent for him) plus people still remember him putting up 700 yards and not playing a full season last year, think about it this season he has 0 wear and tear so far, so coming into a new team in week 4 means you might get the rest of the season out of him before he gets hurt. I would definetly say he is an upgrade over Chester Taylor at this point especially for such a pass heavy team who needs the ability to establish the run.

Again its just an opinion, I do not think our long term future has him in it especially with what I have seen from Helu, and I think Royster will make the 53 next season with Helu starting and TH backing up....so again IMO I dont think he will be here after this season, so better to get something for him while that 700 yard season is still fresh in peoples minds then to cut him next year for nothing.

His role on this team is as a backup. That's where is value is. He is more valuable to this team as a backup running back than a draft pick that may or may not work out.

And his knowledge of the offense, and cutback lanes along with running behind a ZBS is important.

I still don't see him having any real value to other teams due to propensity for injury. However, coming in with a relief role works. He does not have that wear and tear, thus less likely to sustain an injury.

I don't think he is a long term solution, but I also don't think you should rid yourself of someone that has proven he knows how to run in this offensive scheme. We have a known quantity with RTV. We know what to expect from him. Can you really say that about Royster? Give Royster a year on the practice squad to learn to play at the NFL level. RTV, who garnered no interest upon his release from Denver except here stays through this season and is replaced by Royster next season.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones not made. I think this is the case here.

[Diesel Hog]

Time for Torain? I don't know...Hightower has looked pretty good so far (pre-season, and regular)...not so sure the team should bench him at this point. Maybe find a way to work all 3 backs in the game could work, but I say we stick with Hightower for now.

[Hdf561]

His role on this team is as a backup. That's where is value is. He is more valuable to this team as a backup running back than a draft pick that may or may not work out.

And his knowledge of the offense, and cutback lanes along with running behind a ZBS is important.

I still don't see him having any real value to other teams due to propensity for injury. However, coming in with a relief role works. He does not have that wear and tear, thus less likely to sustain an injury.

I don't think he is a long term solution, but I also don't think you should rid yourself of someone that has proven he knows how to run in this offensive scheme. We have a known quantity with RTV. We know what to expect from him. Can you really say that about Royster? Give Royster a year on the practice squad to learn to play at the NFL level. RTV, who garnered no interest upon his release from Denver except here stays through this season and is replaced by Royster next season.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones not made. I think this is the case here.

Ok I can definetly see the logic in this post, it may not be what I would have done in a similar situation but I definetly see the line of thinking. I still would like to see us get something for him though instead of outright relising him next season....we still have some holes and just letting a player go for nothing doesnt always sti well with me....but if no one wants him what can you do.

[mike42]

Maybe Torain looked bad in practice? But from what a saw last year, this dude is a machine. Runs over people. I thought Torain was our main guy. At least give the man a down to play. I'm sure there is a good reason for all this.

[SkinsFanCTT]

Is this a joke? If so well done..

Torain 6'1 212 slowest of the bunch, terrible in pass pro, and is injury prone

Hightower 6' 225 quick, excellent in pass pro and a threat out of the backfield

Helu 6' 220 quick, fast, avg in pass pro and even more of threat out of the backfield than Hightower.

Know your team.

I know the team, and I know that Torain is still the best RB we have. Helu is average in my opinion and monday night he showed it.

Hightower looks like road runner cartoon moving quickly but when you measure it is for a yard or less.

I have said it for a month, Torain is the best back we have.

I have yet to see anything from either of the two backs that will suggest otherwise. Helu is another Brown/Best/Spiller etc, rookie backs who look good but can not do anything consistently and are quickly forgotten, Helu will join them on this list.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 12:24 PM ----------

THREE lackluster game and people are already screaming for backups to start.

Sheesh.

Fixed.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 12:28 PM ----------

HELL NO!! Not the slow running soft Torain train.What the hell is wrong with you fans? Torain Really? Great season last year? LMAO his stats were dead on even with Clinton Portis (not yards) LOL.Torian is just cut bait. Torain is a big NO THANKYOU FROM ME

Spoken like some clown from "moneyland" LMAO.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 12:29 PM ----------

Right, he's a slow soft back who averaged 4.5 yards per carry last year compared to Hightower who is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. And i would say our line is MUCH better than it was last year. Im not trying to say Hightower is garbage or he should be benched or anything. I just dont understand how quick everyone just forgets about what Torain did for us last year. Do u not remember him going for like 150 in the 1st half against the Bucs last season??

And if u honestly think he's a slow soft back well you didn't watch him play last season. Does he get hurt a lot? Yup. But now we have three guys who can carry the load.

I will do it for you then, Hightower is garbage.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 12:33 PM ----------

so what was Portis avg last season? We have Rex freaking Grossman as our Qb. We won both of our games by running the ball this year.Now teams are going to decide to stop the run and let Rex beat you.Torain is not going to help us.Sorry but Torain is not a NFL starting tailback,hell if we cut him today Walmart might have just found them a new store manager take it easy buddy

agree to disagree

Wrong again. In the cardinal game they COULDNT RUN THE CLOCK OUT. In the Dallas game....THEY COULDN"T RUN THE CLOCK OUT. In the Giants game if it was one score they wouldn't be able to run the clock out with 2 yards forward and 2 yards back like HIghtower does. They had to depend on a fumble with less than a minute left to survive. I guarantee you if that fumble doesn't happen we lose the game by 2.

How QUICKLY you clowns forget the game against the BEARS last year.......Torain ran for 100 yards in the 4th Q and burned the clock to zero. THAT is a starting RB in the NFL, not hightower.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 12:53 PM ----------

Torain must be your best friend, by the way your responding its like I stole your car, and ran Torain over with it.....take it easy.

All I am doing is just giving my opinion....sure Torain is 25 but he is a highmilage 25 with injury history, he has been hurt EVERY year he has played in the NFL, and his last year in college thats not insulting the guy, or downing his playing style its a fact. To me he is a time bomb waiting to go off, its not a question of if but when he will get hurt again.

In my OPINION (no I havent talked to Bruce...have you?) any carries he would get would be better served to develope Helu, or Royster who are both younger, and will more than likely be here alot longer than Torain. I think with the performance that orain put up last year a team would take him in a trade especially for a 5, or 6th rnd draft pick which we could use to continue to build depth in our organization in the hopes of making it back to the Superbowl, which I belive we have all come to the conclusion will not happen this year. Sure putting Torain in might win us a game or 2 but in the long run it only hurts the development of our team, and delays the ultimate goal.

LOL, another clown. We could start a circus with the characters here. You can be the man who can't remember sheet. Hightower has 500 attempts and the "high mileage 25 year old" has 170 in his carreer. Which is about a third of what Hightower rushed for this year.

All i know is this:

There would be a thread 100+ posts deep if Torain and Hightower split carries 50-50 for one game. I guess Shanny doesn't want to deal with the questions.

---------- Post added September-30th-2011 at 12:59 PM ----------

You guys might just get your wish......Torain is rumored to be traded to the chiefs the last 12 hrs.