HogNose Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Dude, Moseley missed 3 FGs in a NFCCG! Redskins still won that game on a Moseley FG. :pfft: Why are you stuck on those misses? btw, Moseley missed four FG's that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Any he still does that stupid line up thing with his arm..weak leg. I will never forgive him for the Saints game he lost. As far as Gano....his SLOW development (if any) is costing us games. One problem is that the coaching staff is under the delusion that he can make 50 yard FG on a regualr basis...he cannot and cannot make anything outside of 40 with pressure on him. If he is your kicker of the future, (which I think he is not), quit running him out there for 50+ yarders because "in practice with no on else around, off of a holding tee, he looked good" It is outside of his range. (and yes range does mean makeable, which for him is around 35 and in) If you did a little research, you'd discover that Gano is 60% from 50+ (3 of 5), including a team record in distance. They had every reason to believe he could hit those field goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 If you did a little research, you'd discover that Gano is 60% from 50+ (3 of 5), including a team record in distance. They had every reason to believe he could hit those field goals. check your research as well..for his career at a Redskin he is 3-8 from 50+. (37.5%) I think a three year career record is more indicative of what he can and cannot do .One of which was the meaningless, "kick it as far as you can to set the "record". That also had NO pressure, which he seems to be better at making. Hail..he is our kicker, whether I like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Just listening to Shanny's presser, it's obvious he's not happy with Gano either. He made it a point to say he was "very disappointed" with his performance this year, particularly the low FG percentage, and basically said that if they could find someone they think would perform better than him and give the team a better chance to win, they'd sign them. Seems like the only thing keeping Gano on the squad at this point is the fact that they don't think there's a better replacement out there right now. Not good news for Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 By the way' date=' Suisham is still awful. I fully expect the Steelers to lose a playoff game because of him.My argument is this: This is the era of the kickers who never miss. In Moseley's day, most teams had terrible kickers. Moseley was borderline competent - which made him remarkable. Today, he couldn't kick in the UFL. To survive in the NFL long term, you need to hit around 80 percent of your kicks and pretty much never miss inside of 40. Them's the rules.[/quote'] Thank you. Suisham is a career 50% kicker in the playoffs, and he hasn't made a 50 yard field goal since 2008. So basically he's good at making chip shots in the regular season. Well, unless the game is on the line, then he folds like a lawn chair. And I can't help but laugh at the praise of Nick Novak in this thread. There is a reason he was out of the NFL for two years...he's terrible. This guy was a 63% kicker through the first 4 years of his career. If we hung on to him he'd have cost us a dozen games by now. So he's doing ok in 2011, that's great. Doesn't mean canning him wasn't a good idea, and it doesn't mean he's not going to start sucking again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspkikn Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I long for the day when our offense (well team in general) is good enough to not depend on a kicker it seems for every win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 check your research as well..for his career at a Redskin he is 3-8 from 50+. (37.5%) I think a three year career record is more indicative of what he can and cannot do .One of which was the meaningless, "kick it as far as you can to set the "record". That also had NO pressure, which he seems to be better at making.Hail..he is our kicker, whether I like it or not I guess the concept of improvement is foreign to you. Sometimes, I'm amazed at fans talking about developing players, but seem to be unwilling to go through the growing pains of actually developing a player. No one is saying that Gano should be "given" the job, not that really was given the job, since he has to earn it every time he kicks. That's why I find it laughable when you call a kick not a pressure kick. In the regular season, they ALL are pressure kicks. The ones he misses are probably more remembered than the ones he makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I guess the concept of improvement is foreign to you. Sometimes, I'm amazed at fans talking about developing players, but seem to be unwilling to go through the growing pains of actually developing a player.No one is saying that Gano should be "given" the job, not that really was given the job, since he has to earn it every time he kicks. That's why I find it laughable when you call a kick not a pressure kick. In the regular season, they ALL are pressure kicks. The ones he misses are probably more remembered than the ones he makes. Bad kickers are so expendable that their time for "development" should be two years max. If Gano can't fix his game with the prime opportunities he has had to show his mojo, then he NEEDS TO GO. Actually, this is the 2ND 52yder he has choked away, the other to that other Texas team in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Funny thing is there were times people were calling for Mosley's head also. See the cycle has been going for decades. ---------- Post added November-21st-2011 at 04:17 PM ---------- Bad kickers are so expendable that their time for "development" should be two years max. If Gano can't fix his game with the prime opportunities he has had to show his mojo, then he NEEDS TO GO. Actually, this is the 2ND 52yder he has choked away, the other to that other Texas team in Houston. That was a pretty long damn kick and he got frozen right before it. Also had our team finished the game on 4th down rather than giving up a TD at the end of regulation he wouldn't have been in the situation. You guys act like Gano is getting 35 yarders for game winners. The offense had a first down in OT at the Cowboys 35 and they couldn't give him a easier kick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Funny thing is there were times people were calling for Mosley's head also. See the cycle has been going for decades.---------- Post added November-21st-2011 at 04:17 PM ---------- That was a pretty long damn kick and he got frozen right before it. Also had our team finished the game on 4th down rather than giving up a TD at the end of regulation he wouldn't have been in the situation. You guys act like Gano is getting 35 yarders for game winners. The offense had a first down in OT at the Cowboys 35 and they couldn't give him a easier kick? Every time a kicker gets trotted out, no matter who is the team, that team's offense failed to a complete a drive. Even potent offenses have a stud kicker to "steal" points. We scored 24 points. That is an adequate output to win most games. Kickers are supposed to bail out the rest of their team. Even when our teams improve, CLOSE GAMES WILL NOT GO AWAY. Gano is auditioning to show that he can "steal" the wins when the team has an "off" game. He's showing that he is pathetic. His 37.5% career average from 50+ is pathetic. He can't even be 50/50 on those attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Isn't this the 2nd year of sucking for Gano...why are we surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Every time a kicker gets trotted out, no matter who is the team, that team's offense failed to a complete a drive. Even potent offenses have a stud kicker to "steal" points. We scored 24 points. That is an adequate output to win most games. Kickers are supposed to bail out the rest of their team. Even when our teams improve, CLOSE GAMES WILL NOT GO AWAY. Gano is auditioning to show that he can "steal" the wins when the team has an "off" game. He's showing that he is pathetic. His 37.5% career average from 50+ is pathetic. He can't even be 50/50 on those attempts. I'd love to see the comparison of long distance FGs vs other kickers in the NFL. I bet you Gano attempts 50+ FGs more than any kicker or almost any kicker in the NFL. Maybe his career avg from 50+ sucks so much because that's all he ever kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
“Misdirection” Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I'd be interested in seeing his field goal percentages from the left hash, middle, and right hash. Just based on observation of the years it seems to me that Gano can't kick from the hashes nearly as consistently as the middle of the field. It's like he tries to pull it too much in one direction, resulting in a ghastly shank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorfan2179 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I think this is insane. Gano is the best kicker we have had in a while. 3/4 on kicks over 50 yards (7th in the NFL), 3/5 over 40 (tied for 19th), pretty bad (50%) on 30-39, and 100% for all under. He is 24, give the dude a break. you want suisham back? missing 23 yard field goals? not me. ---------- Post added November-21st-2011 at 07:37 PM ---------- Isn't this the 2nd year of sucking for Gano...why are we surprised? he had a broken big toe in his kicking foot all last season. probably a bit difficult to kick with that. ---------- Post added November-21st-2011 at 07:39 PM ---------- I guess the concept of improvement is foreign to you. Sometimes, I'm amazed at fans talking about developing players, but seem to be unwilling to go through the growing pains of actually developing a player.No one is saying that Gano should be "given" the job, not that really was given the job, since he has to earn it every time he kicks. That's why I find it laughable when you call a kick not a pressure kick. In the regular season, they ALL are pressure kicks. The ones he misses are probably more remembered than the ones he makes. If extremeskins had a like button, I would like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I think this is insane. Gano is the best kicker we have had in a while. 3/4 on kicks over 50 yards (7th in the NFL), 3/5 over 40 (tied for 19th), pretty bad (50%) on 30-39, and 100% for all under. He is 24, give the dude a break. you want suisham back? missing 23 yard field goals? not me.---------- Post added November-21st-2011 at 07:37 PM ---------- he had a broken big toe in his kicking foot all last season. probably a bit difficult to kick with that. ---------- Post added November-21st-2011 at 07:39 PM ---------- If extremeskins had a like button, I would like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheech Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Epic Fail. How many overtime games has he won for us? He's clutch. Epic Fail, you really thought so...Yea McD5, How many overtime games has he won for us? Huh... He is not clutch...He is a loser..and he cost us the most important game for us Redskins Fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Epic Fail, you really thought so...Yea McD5, How many overtime games has he won for us? Huh... He is not clutch...He is a loser..and he cost us the most important game for us Redskins Fans. He cost us? You mean the third down and long break downs on defense and no holding calls on the Dallas OL didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheech Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 He cost us? You mean the third down and long break downs on defense and no holding calls on the Dallas OL didn't? How many field goals did Gano miss yesterday? There was alot of mistakes the Redskins did. But this one is on Gano..I don't want to hear any excuses about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel25 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 i'm not sayin he's the best, but his issues are things that can be corrected. i don't remember any kicker we had in recent history that had the leg strength. dude knocked down a 59 yarder. i cant see why we kept suisham as long as we did, he had short kick offs, missed short FGs, and you can pretty much forget about anything over 45. but with gano, he might be off the mark, but he'll have the length. so for that, i'm willin to keep him around a little longer. i get sick everytime i hear them say that we cut david akers. i don't know much about kickers, but i do know he has the part that you can't teach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 How many field goals did Gano miss yesterday? There was alot of mistakes the Redskins did. But this one is on Gano..I don't want to hear any excuses about him. You know as I made the sad ride home to Richmond last night from the stadium all I thought about was that kick. The fact is I can't kill him for the misses. They weren't easy kicks by any means and the offense didn't exactly make it any easier for him. If the offense could have at least lined up the last kick for him we most likely would be 4-6 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheech Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 You know as I made the sad ride home to Richmond last night from the stadium all I thought about was that kick. The fact is I can't kill him for the misses. They weren't easy kicks by any means and the offense didn't exactly make it any easier for him. If the offense could have at least lined up the last kick for him we most likely would be 4-6 today. I'll Bet, that rookie field goal kicker from the Cowboys would of made it..Easy...This clown miss 2 fields goals yesterday . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I guess the concept of improvement is foreign to you. Sometimes, I'm amazed at fans talking about developing players, but seem to be unwilling to go through the growing pains of actually developing a player. "Developing" a kicker is insane, and - in fact - doesn't really seem to happen. With kickers, it really just seems to be a matter of the light going on. I really don't want to wait around losing games hoping it goes on. ---------- Post added November-21st-2011 at 11:25 PM ---------- Funny thing is there were times people were calling for Mosley's head also. See the cycle has been going for decades. A. Moseley really wasn't that good. B. Most of the other kickers were worse. Seriously, has no one noticed that kickers (aside from our kickers) don't miss any longer? 25 kickers in the league make 80 percent of their field goals. Ours does not. Statistically, it's more difficult to have a terrible kicker than a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'll Bet, that rookie field goal kicker from the Cowboys would of made it..Easy...This clown miss 2 fields goals yesterday . based on what? He barely made the 39 yesterday. What makes you think he'd make that 52 yarder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Bad kickers are so expendable that their time for "development" should be two years max. If Gano can't fix his game with the prime opportunities he has had to show his mojo, then he NEEDS TO GO. Actually, this is the 2ND 52yder he has choked away, the other to that other Texas team in Houston. Hey, if you can find a guy who shows more promise than Gano, then go right ahead. Thing is, good kickers aren't THAT easy to find. Some get drafted, but I count four kickers in the past five years who have made an impact on their teams, one more who is a kickoff specialist and three more who are out of the league. In FA, if the kicker is any good, they never hit FA. Rarely they do, and it is usually because the team that is letting him go think he's not worth the money. Most of the time, what you have out there are guys who never caught on with another team and have bounced around. Thing is, we aren't really good enough where having a good field goal kicker matters THAT much. This isn't a playoff team. So, work with the kid that has a lot of promise and see if you can turn him into a high quality kicker. There is no doubt that he shows the potential. He just needs to work on his consistency. While there are times to cut bait, now isn't the time. The time comes when you think you can do better. I doubt there is anyone on the street that is better right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monrovia_Redskin Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Why don't US Redskins fans invent a time machine and go back and keep David Akers in Washington? Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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