darrelgreenie Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Average to mediocre ones like we have, yes.You don't think all QBs are largely dependent upon their supporting cast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDeep81 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 We all know they've both overachieved through the preseason.. Beck came back to earth tonight.. Rex will do the same given the chance.. It is what it is, we'll be dodging inconsistency at the QB position all year, reguardless which gets the starting job.. We just need to brace for reality.. Either way it should be a fun season if we stay healthy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Based upon the fact that Grossman didn't see the field at all tonight, I think he'll be the man vs the Giants. IMO, they're already gameplanning for the opener and Grossman may be the guy who gives them the best chance to win. Although I could be wrong. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Beck look shell-shocked to me, much of the game. I surmised that he did not take well to being named the starter while Grossman sat, and that possibly this was a late-breaking disclosure to the QBs.That's just a guess, but if I have it right, we might have seen how a very stressed Beck deals with pressure. He stared down almost every receiver from the snap, made bad reads, bad throws, and hurried a throw into the end zone for an INT, rather than stand in against the rush. Mixed in with these plays were some very outstanding plays: some great passes, and some nimbleness when rushed or on the rollout. Very inconsistent. For me, the bad impressions outweighed the good. I was surprised by the performance in context (playing against backups), but I did see what I expected to see if Beck were a starter in the regular season. I think Beck is a better QB than he looked tonight, but I never believed he'd hold up under real pressure. IMO, the bad plays tonight were partly the internal pressure of feeling his opportunity slip away. I think the decision was made a long time ago to start Grossman. However, tonight's game will probably bring fan support together behind Grossman. Fans may not all like Grossman, but pulling for Beck to start is simply not seeing what's happening on the field. Beck's got great tools and nice personal qualities, but he's not NFL starter material. In my opinion. You know you're setting yourself up for some hard Grossman critiques. Just sayin. To much "I told you so rub it in mentality." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 You don't think all QBs are largely dependent upon their supporting cast? Football is the ultimate team sport, every player is to an extent dependent upon the guys playing next to him. But the elite QBs maximize the talents of those around him while minimizing the weak ones. He makes his team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Grossman + Moss = Touchdowns. Plus, he's gritty and gutsy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameWinner Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Beck is not a NFL starting QB. He stares down his first receiver and if hes not open he checks down immediately. Rex has made all the progressions this pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 IMO we have 2 good placeholders for our future draft pick franchise QB, both have their own upsides and downsides, and I'm fine with either starting for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 We all know they've both overachieved through the preseason.. Beck came back to earth tonight.. Rex will do the same given the chance.. It is what it is, we'll be dodging inconsistency at the QB position all year, reguardless which gets the starting job.. We just need to brace for reality.. Either way it should be a fun season if we stay healthy!! Geez man, even the best QBs have not so hot nights. People on this board are EXTREME. Beck didn't have great numbers tonight, but he did have some good plays. I don't think this game was the be all and end all for Beck. I wouldn't write off what our QBs did in the other games as them overachieving. Beck and Rex both played well. Beck was a bit off tonight. Rex was a bit off against the Colts. Nobody bats a 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Football is the ultimate team sport, every player is to an extent dependent upon the guys playing next to him. But the elite QBs maximize the talents of those around him while minimizing the weak ones. He makes his team better. Of course.But they're still largely dependent on their supporting cast. Here's a riddle: what does an elite QB look like on a team with a bad supporting cast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 any chance that shanahan alternates his starters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Grossman was the sharper QB. He threw for more yards, had thrown for more TDs, and had the higher passing rating during preseason. As a fan, I'd shake my head if Beck wins the job. Grossman clearly won the QB competition this preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeezgob Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 any chance that shanahan alternates his starters? After Beck's patchy performance against the backups tonight I'd expect us to start with Grossman until he inevitably self destructs...at which point we switch to Beck...until he produces another sketchy error ridden performance...then it's back to the Sex Cannon...and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 What? We sat our starter out. Nice to see Beckup get some time to hone his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Erm, like he did against the Colts?I think Grossman played better against the Colts than Beck did tonight. Rex had numerous nice intermediate throws, including some that got negated by drops & penalties. The INT sucked, but it was just one play. Beck had good breaks tonight; he had a bunch of short fields to work with, hard running from Royster & Torain, and only managed 10 offensive points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 lol, this is just great. Beck and Grossman are going to divide the fan base. If Rex starts and has a bad game, the Beck supporters are going to be like "Ah-ha! We told you Rex wasn't consistent. We've watched him in the league for years and he always does this!" If Beck starts and has a bad game, the Rex supporters are going to be like "See, we told you! Beck is a back-up! Rex had better numbers and more experience. He played in the Super Bowl. He should've been the starter." Then arguments will flare up. Some will be banned for a week lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Here's a riddle: what does an elite QB look like on a team with a bad supporting cast? Rex Grossman, 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Grossman was the sharper QB. He threw for more yards, had thrown for more TDs, and had the higher passing rating during preseason. As a fan, I'd shake my head if Beck wins the job. Grossman clearly won the QB competition this preseason. Beck was off tonight. I thought the o-line didn't look as sharp either. That said, in the other games, I thought Beck looked sharper and the offense seemed to be faster than it was with Rex, but I thought Rex played very well and had his strengths. I'm fine with whoever Shanahan chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlkyCaramel Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 rex grossman, 2006. no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Here's a riddle: what does an elite QB look like on a team with a bad supporting cast? Steve Young circa 1986. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 One thing that caught my attention was what a commentator said. He said that Kyle was calling pretty much all pocket passing plays to get Beck some practice in the pocket. He went on to say that Beck's strengths are boot legs and such and there wasn't many of those called. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Almost identical numbers. Beck still needs a little more seasoning. But if we have to roll with Beck as the backup, I do not expect a large dropoff in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHUBAKAH Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Just Win Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 One thing that caught my attention was what a commentator said. He said that Kyle was calling pretty much all pocket passing plays to get Beck some practice in the pocket. He went on to say that Beck's strengths are boot legs and such and there wasn't many of those called. Just a thought. Beck can run but he's not an elite running QB and never will be. He needs to be good in the pocket and he got sacked twice as often as slow Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero21 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Grossman has won fair and square. If this QB competition is fair, he should be named the starter for 9/11. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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