repo_4 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I don't understand the big difference between a 3rd and a 4th. I mean really? You were willing to throw 2 1st's to the Bengals for Ocho but we couldn't do a 3rd for Charles? The only thing I can figure is he didnt see the potential (shocker ). He was 4th on the depth chart and had yet to become "Jamaal Charles". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I have no love lost on Vinnie whatsoever. But just to play Devil's Advocate here for a second.... At the time, according to this report, Charles was listed fourth on the Chief's depth chart. Imagine for a moment that deal HAD happened... Skins give up fourth rounder for Chief's FOURTH RB.... This place would have melted down harder than Chernobyl.Yeah, he's a complete monster now. But then, total gamble. Hindsight ya'll. I agree with the quoted post above. To be complaining that we didn't make this trade is ridiculous. At the time of the trade Charles' stats were as follows. GP- 16 GS- 2 Attempts: 67 Yards: 357 AVG: 5.3 Long: 30 TD: 0 REC: 27 Yards: 272 AVG: 10.1 LNG: 75 TD: 1 Fumbles: 2 Outsides of a nice yards per carry on only 67 attempts he had more fumbles than scores. There would have been outrage that we traded a third round pick of "an undersized third down back." Jamaal Charles has since become a great running back. Vinny Cerratto has always sucked. Cool. This wasn't a blunder of a non-trade, just an interesting "what could have been." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morning Wood Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I agree with the quoted post above. To be complaining that we didn't make this trade is ridiculous. At the time of the trade Charles' stats were as follows.GP- 16 GS- 2 Attempts: 67 Yards: 357 AVG: 5.3 Long: 30 TD: 0 REC: 27 Yards: 272 AVG: 10.1 LNG: 75 TD: 1 Fumbles: 2 Outsides of a nice yards per carry on only 67 attempts he had more fumbles than scores. There would have been outrage that we traded a third round pick of "an undersized third down back." Jamaal Charles has since become a great running back. Vinny Cerratto has always sucked. Cool. This wasn't a blunder of a non-trade, just an interesting "what could have been." Exactly, and thank you. Now, the two firsts for Chad however....... by all means, grab the pitchforks and light the torches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hindsight is 20/20. No one knew how Charles would turn out. It could be turned around too. Peterson almost traded Charles for 3rd which would have been a blunder too. If anyone knew how the trades would have turned out, then they probably would have made different choices. I am not defending Vinny's decision making, but it's just really easy to bash someone for something that was never done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanhillbilly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Well, look at it this way. Vinny was the top talent evaluator as GM or whatever his title was. The word potential should have been the first thing out of his mouth. While a 3rd may have been high, a 5.3 ypc is tough to argue with behind a crappy KC team. It beats anything Tung Candidate was doing in St. Louis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins2victory Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Are u kidding me, VC wouldnt do a 3rd for Charles??? WOW..... Just wow!!! Good riddence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyfar Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 very interesting article about Jamaal Charles almost being in the Burgundy and Gold. A 3rd rounder, yet we traded an 2nd for Jason Taylor and 2nd for Donovan Mcnabb!"He was fourth on the depth chart during the 2009 offseason when Todd Haley took over, so the Redskins came calling to see if the Chiefs would move Charles. Vinny Cerrato said on his radio station Friday that the Redskins offered a fourth-round pick. According to Cerrato (via the Kansas City Star), the Chiefs countered by asking for third-round pick. The Redskins said no and talks fizzled" http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/19/jamaal-charles-was-once-almost-dealt-to-the-redskins/ This idiot has his own station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 It truly beggars belief the more he opens his mouth and happily admits one dumb move after another; that a guy as savvy as Snyder who's gotten to where he's gotten in business could be hoodwinked for so long into believing bug eyes was the right man for the job. I'd of loved to of been a fly on the wall through those raqcuetball games. The conversations those two boneheads doubtless had on players must of been frightening. Praise the Lord the owner has finally seen the light. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IS guhn RAIN Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Does anyone else actually enjoy hearing these stories from Vinny? He was awful here and thank goodness he is gone, but i do find it entertaining to hear his stories now. Every other coach or gm would deny 99 % of these stories coming out but Vinny just tells it like it was. Its awesome to hear an ex GM be honest and put some of their potential moves and thoughts at the time out to the public. Even if it does make him look like even more of a dbag, keep on Vinny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I think he's BS-ing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The only thing I can figure is he didnt see the potential (shocker ). He was 4th on the depth chart and had yet to become "Jamaal Charles". Right but if you saw potential in him for a 4th, why not a 3rd? Unless Vinny didn't really believe in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 So if Gabbert turns out to be good, then Shanny and Allen are idiots for trading down? Again, hindsight is 20/20. I felt as though trading down was a great idea at the time. When you make a personel decision and set a limit on what you want or what you will give up, you stick to it. I am more impressed that Vinny thought he had value for a 4th but wasn't worth a 3rd and stuck to his guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbidoe Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 We should create a thread that is named WWVD and make it a satire thread. "Sometimes I stare at the wall outlet and think WWVD, then I don't lick it because he probably would". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan190 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 very interesting article about Jamaal Charles almost being in the Burgundy and Gold. A 3rd rounder, yet we traded an 2nd for Jason Taylor and 2nd for Donovan Mcnabb!"He was fourth on the depth chart during the 2009 offseason when Todd Haley took over, so the Redskins came calling to see if the Chiefs would move Charles. Vinny Cerrato said on his radio station Friday that the Redskins offered a fourth-round pick. According to Cerrato (via the Kansas City Star), the Chiefs countered by asking for third-round pick. The Redskins said no and talks fizzled" http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/19/jamaal-charles-was-once-almost-dealt-to-the-redskins/ Actually at the time yea a 4th seems fair. Obviously now that 3rd which we used on Jarmon correct. Would have been a MAJOR steal. Another BAD non-move by Vinny. No suprise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Rey Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 As terrible as Vinny was, I think people would be calling that a classic Redskins move if he turned out to be terrible. Hindsight is 20/20 and Charles had a really good college career but had really proven nothing in the NFL. The fact that he's succeeding could have just as much to do with his situation in KC as it does with his talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I don't understand the big difference between a 3rd and a 4th. I mean really? You were willing to throw 2 1st's to the Bengals for Ocho but we couldn't do a 3rd for Charles? In all likelihood we didn't have a 3rd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 This is not the only gaffe Vinncy "spooky eyes" made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Vinny's like the Jello of the Month club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 21 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Jamaal Charles can't pick up a blitz to save his life last time I checked. 4th rounder sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Jamaal Charles can't pick up a blitz to save his life last time I checked. 4th rounder sounds about right. Huh? That's not what he's getting paid to do. Dude's one of the most electric RB's in the league. I'd argue he's THE most electric. No way to know whether he would have reached that potential here, but this comment is just ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 21 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Huh? That's not what he's getting paid to do. Dude's one of the most electric RB's in the league. I'd argue he's THE most electric.No way to know whether he would have reached that potential here, but this comment is just ignorant. LOL at football noob who thinks a speed-back with no blocking skills could be successful on this Redskins team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 LOL at football noob who thinks a speed-back with no blocking skills could be successful on this Redskins team. When you have a talent like that on your team, you adjust. He'd be fine. And even if he wouldn't, that has nothing to do with his trade value to the Chiefs. Signed, "football noob" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Right but if you saw potential in him for a 4th, why not a 3rd? Unless Vinny didn't really believe in him Because sometimes when you assign a value to a player you don't budge. It's adding that little bit extra all the time that led to a complete lack of draft picks and overpaid "stars" that the Cerratto era was known for. I'm personally impressed he was able to say no. Huh? That's not what he's getting paid to do. Dude's one of the most electric RB's in the league. I'd argue he's THE most electric.No way to know whether he would have reached that potential here, but this comment is just ignorant. He may be that now but at the time he wasn't. He was the fourth man on the depth chart without the ability to pass protect. That is completely reasonable to downgrade the compensation one would offer up. If a player isn't a three down, complete player then they don't get the kind of compensation that a three down player would get. Derrick Ward had very comparable stats. GP 16 GS 0 Attempts 50 Yards 315 AVG 6.3 Long 38 TD 4 "Should we?" How about Jerome Harrison at 6ypc? Danny Woodhead at 5.6? Rashad Jennings at 5.5? Chris Ivory at 5.2? It's really easy to look at a high YPC that translated to a great RB and say "we should have traded more." The fact is most of the players I just listed are not going to be productive full time starting players and would not be worth that sort of trade compensation. There are plenty more that could be used as examples as well that is just a few from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Vinny should really write a book.He would make millions just because people would want to buy it to read about all the terrible moves he has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I think that when thinking about this, you should think about what we gave up for Hightower: a 6th and an aging DE. Given that, a 4th was perhaps even a little high for Charles given his lack of accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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