HRNY4ZRNY Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 This would defenitly be the Vinny Cerrato way of course... Not saying this should happen but would you be ok with this? We defenitly don't have our QB for the future on this roster. With the 3 nice QB's coming out in the draft next year we could go "all in" this season and make a run. How would we do this? First off we would sign Plaxico Burress. I know many fans are opposed to this but hear me out. Armstrong, Hankerson, Moss and Plax... This would be a great receiving group. Guys that can go deep and Moss in the slot would be very hard to cover. Who can get the deep ball to these guys you ask. Donovan McNabb which was really good at this last year. Making Armstrong a significant threat. We have a upgrade at running back with Helu and Royster and Torrain is a pretty damn good running back when healthy. Our Defense got a upgrade with Jenkins and Kerrigan. With Landry back from injury and Hall being a ball hawk we could have a really good Defense. Special teams we have a threat everytime he touches the ball. You all know who I'm talking about. Trade Haynesworth for a player a team doesn't really need. Really just try to get anything that could potentially help. Target OL in free agency. Get Davin Joseph or anyone to make this line better. So to recap... McNabb in his 2nd year. A great crop of receivers. Young blood at running back. Upgrade on the defense. Seek OL free agents. Offense- Check Defense- Check Special Teams- Check Coaching- Check This would be going all in for this year. If it fails we draft our QB in the draft anyways. What do you all think of this? ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 01:40 PM ---------- All you would need to add in FA is a Plaxico which would not have to contribute right away. Hopefully by game 8 he gets in a groove and can be a major threat demanding double teams. Then just target great Offensive Lineman. If it doesnt work we get our QB for the future and continue to rebuild. ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 01:42 PM ---------- How do the Jets make a run almost every year? Adding good players in the draft and getting some good free agents (Edwards and Holmes) Wouldn't be much different than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 This would defenitly be the Vinny Cerrato way of course... Not saying this should happen but would you be ok with this? It would, and I wouldn't. Aside from the fact I wouldn't touch Burress, a guy who'll be 34 when this season rolls around, and whom hasn't played ball in two years due to the fact he's a complete dumbass (what was that about it being the 'Vinny way' again?); and there being ZERO chance of McNabb being on the roster so long as Kyle's the OC; I'd rather suffer through another 16 games to be, fingers croseed, in with a chance of our franchise QB in next years draft. We're FAR from just a few O-linemen and a big WR from being in a position to challenge. No question we've upgraded through the draft with quality youth, and Atogwe was a real nice vet. pick-up who should help out a bunch. But even without the other holes we still have to fill, these are all kids who are going to go through the inevitable downs all rooks go through as they assimilate to pro life. Patience man. Accept the fact we're liable to suck yet again and bring up the rear in the East for the benefit of the bigger picture. By year 4/5 hopefully we can seriously start talking in terms of challenging for the Lombardi again. But for now, all in stages. Long term success over short term gratification. Hail. *Edit* FWIW, I think the Jets will crash and burn this year. Sanchez is the very definition of mediocre, and they can only ride that D and running game so far. That's the major reason I'd be happy bottoming out again. You need a great QB in the NFL of 2011. And if we can get ours next year, it'll be a whole lot better in the bigger picture than a Lombardi win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 1) I stopped at Burress. 2) I came back and read the rest. McNabb was terrible with the deep ball regardless of what the stats said. Go back and watch the games and a very large chunk of them were grossly underthrown. He ain't Rypien. 3) Offensive linemen aren't just sitting around; they're on teams. You can't just pluck them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRNY4ZRNY Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 I just cant agree with the deep ball comment. I watched every single game and saw a ton of deep balls completed. McNabb wasnt horrible last year. I dont care what anyone says. He had some major flaws but made our receivers look way better than Jason Campbell ever did. It was his 1st year in the system for God's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XVII_XXII_XXVI Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 01:42 PM ---------- How do the Jets make a run almost every year? I don't want to sound like a jerk, but WHAT? Seriously, the Jets? They've been fantastic the last two years, but 'every year'??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Let the McNabb thing go man. I was 100% behind the trade at the time. It seemed a real prudent move after trying so hard but coming up short to get Bradford. A proven vet. to help with the complete transition under the new regime. But it didn't work out like that as we know. And as the year went along, both his form and his fitness deteriorated shockingly. That's without the pathetic spat between him and the OC. And that goes for both men. Neither came out of it in any glowing light. McNabb's finished in DC. And I'd wager as a serious starter any more in this league. We tried. It didn't work out. Time to move on. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRNY4ZRNY Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 In recent years I should of said. My point is they draft and get some free agents. Signing Plaxico Burress would not set our franchise back. Its fairly low risk and high reward. ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 02:31 PM ---------- We lost the Texans game by a freaking field goal. A game in which McNabb was stellar. Our defense lost the Eagles game for us. Vick was a buzz saw. McNabb threw a horrible pick in the Detroit game. We had the lead and he needed to be a little more conservative. Then McNabb didnt play the last 3 games. Overall he did a good job for playing for the Skins his first year. ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 02:33 PM ---------- Im on board with whatever the Redskins want to do. I'll be patient when it comes to a superbowl. I just dont want to be terrible this year. I dont want us to have the worst QB in the league. ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 02:35 PM ---------- We also came damn close to beating the Colts and the Vikings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Signing Plaxico Burress would not set our franchise back. Its fairly low risk and high reward. Why would you want him? Or any other wide out for that matter? We've steadily put together a quality young receiving core of Austin, Banks (A return specialist it's true. But still someone who's lightening speed needs to be accounted for the plays he's in on offense), Hankerson, Kelly (touch wood he's over the injury bug), Paul and Robinson. 6 players under 24. Throw in Armstrong at 28, and even if we don't re-sign Moss, that's a pretty darn good looking core to develop these coming years. I seriously don't get why people still think receivers a need here. Even less so when we're WAY more than a Plaxico Burress or whomever from challenging. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRNY4ZRNY Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 OK so lets say Armstrong gets injured... Pulls a hammy... whatever What do our receiver corps look like then? Im advocating adding depth. Plaxico will be a good to great receiver next year. I feel very confident saying this. ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 02:46 PM ---------- We lose Andre Carter add Ryan Kerrigan... Upgrade We lose Roydell Williams add Leonard Hankerson... Upgrade We gain Plaxico Burress and the weakest WR we have left is gone... Upgrade We sign OJ Atogwe and our weakest safety is gone... Upgrade McNabb will make the playoffs again before his career is over. I feel very confident about this. I'd rather him make the playoffs with us. Our offense was not horrible last year. It had horrible moments but as a whole was not horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 If Armstrong or Kelly went down, and Moss wasn't here; that would be even more invaluable on field experience for the younger guys as we steadily re-build. Much more beneficial in the grand scheme of things IMHO. I'd rather go with the youth than bring in A N Other FA vet. when the chances are the O is gonna' suck either way. But if you feel we'd have a miraculous turnaround with one or two additions and McNabb at QB, I guess you'd take the opposite view. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRNY4ZRNY Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 If Armstrong or Kelly went down, and Moss wasn't here; that would be even more invaluable on field experience for the younger guys as we steadily re-build. Much more beneficial in the grand scheme of things IMHO.I'd rather go with the youth than bring in A N Other FA vet. when the chances are the O is gonna' suck either way. But if you feel we'd have a miraculous turnaround with one or two additions and McNabb at QB, I guess you'd take the opposite view. Hail. To be honest... I dont really know. I just dont think the Redskins were as bad as people think last year. Terrance Austin was a late round pick for a reason as was Marko Mitchell. Im all about letting young guys learn (Hankerson, Kerrigan and Helu) But let's go out next season loaded and try to make the playoffs. Not let's rebuild with John Beck when most likely he will suck and wont be in the plans anyways. ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 02:57 PM ---------- Whos more likely to have a probowl season Terrance Austin or Plaxico Burress ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 02:58 PM ---------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkxgjrdn9w ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 03:00 PM ---------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QQhv-ey5fM&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 I hear you on Beck. And I have even greater fears on Grossman who I believe will be the starter on day one. But you've ZERO chance of McNabb coming back whilst Kyle's the OC. It's tough man when you have to sit through the defeats, but I'd resign yourself to at least one more season of being the poor relations in the East. On the brightside, when our time does come around gain, it'll all the sweeter for having stuck with them through the hard times. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRNY4ZRNY Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 I feel you if thats what it takes then so be it. I love Andrew Luck so if we have a chance in hell of getting him I'll hang my hat on that. I just think our team could do some damage next year with the right pieces. What I fear is Shanny gets this team on the right track around year 5 and Snyder decides to go in a different direction with coaching. i dont trust Snyder when it comes to picking our coaching staff. It would be horrible to be on the right track and then get coaches that can't capitoloze on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 I just cant agree with the deep ball comment.I watched every single game and saw a ton of deep balls completed. Sure, they were completed, but most of the completions were the receivers stopping and coming back for the ball. I can remember at least three times that McNabb had a receiver open deep, underthrew it, the receiver then caught the ball and got caught from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 And then, when we got 3-13 with that roster (or 7-9 or 8-8, who cares) and get a worse draft pick and don't make the playoffs, then what? I'd rather make the playoffs (or not) based on our real roster's abilities, not because of a rent-a-team. Buying teams does not put you in the Super Bowl, and that's what we'd be trying to do with this plan... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMU Redskin Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 holy crap no. Have we learned anything from the last ten years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 OK Vinny, I thought they took your ES priveldges away for good. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyousukeneko Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 well shanny will pick a QB next year expecially if Andrew Luck Matt Barkley Nick Foles Landry Jones kirk cousins and ryan tannehill all could be first rounder so i could really see him picking his QB of the future next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 No to Plaxico. Yes to Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Sure, they were completed, but most of the completions were the receivers stopping and coming back for the ball. I can remember at least three times that McNabb had a receiver open deep, underthrew it, the receiver then caught the ball and got caught from behind. ^ This. Armstrong would've been much higher in total yardage and touchdowns if he didn't have to come back to the ball. And then, when we got 3-13 with that roster (or 7-9 or 8-8, who cares) and get a worse draft pick and don't make the playoffs, then what? I'd rather make the playoffs (or not) based on our real roster's abilities, not because of a rent-a-team.Buying teams does not put you in the Super Bowl, and that's what we'd be trying to do with this plan... again. Even worse is that that high draft pick would be going to someone else since we'd be trading picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyousukeneko Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 ^This. Armstrong would've been much higher in total yardage and touchdowns if he didn't have to come back to the ball. Even worse is that that high draft pick would be going to someone else since we'd be trading picks. doubt you trade picks if your in the top five, you may try to move up for barkley, who shanny will adore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 doubt you trade picks if your in the top five, you may try to move up for barkley, who shanny will adore If Carolina is in the top spot again, and we are at, say.... three to five.... and we love Andrew Luck, you bet your sweet *** we will be trading the next three first round picks to the Panthers for him. Now, on the flip side, if we are in the top spot, I do that trade as well and trade down to the three to five range, and take Barkley, Foles, or Cousins, and reap the rewards for having 6 first round picks over the next three years and whatever else we get for that years draft. But those top few picks will be for sale and it ain't going to be cheap, rest assure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 The Skins still haven't upgraded their offensive line well enough (nor given it enough time, as a unit, to gel in the ZBS) to be a Superbowl contender this season. It also remains to be seen: (a) how well Kerrigan adapts to a linebacker role; ( who'd step in at CB should C. Rogers depart, and; © how well the Skins 'front-three' D-line actually does in 2011. Oh yes, there's that nagging little issue of QB as well. Assuming this team is still in transition, it's better to have a mix of young players getting their opportunities, with an smaller but adequate number of responsible veterans (i.e, role-model, disciplined/skilled technician/captain variety) guiding the younger players' development. In my opinion, Burress isn't the right kind of veteran you bring in. Now if the Skins can bring in some more starting quality O-line via free agency -- that would be good. But candidly, there's no available center out there to step up for Rabach. (Maybe there is someone on the practice squad who can step, but even that person would be a 'rookie' trying to coordinate the ZBS adjustments?) Basically,I don't see the Skins fixing everything in time for a Superbowl run this season ---especially since the lockout seems to have stymied any chance for Shanahan & Co. to further develop the many new players on the Skins roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Burress will be 34 during the season. If we have an injury, I'd rather bring a guy up from the practice squad or find a vet who has actually played in the last couple of years and sign him to the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampEm Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 This would defenitly be the Vinny Cerrato way of course... Not saying this should happen but would you be ok with this?We defenitly don't have our QB for the future on this roster. With the 3 nice QB's coming out in the draft next year we could go "all in" this season and make a run. How would we do this? First off we would sign Plaxico Burress. I know many fans are opposed to this but hear me out. Armstrong, Hankerson, Moss and Plax... This would be a great receiving group. Guys that can go deep and Moss in the slot would be very hard to cover. Who can get the deep ball to these guys you ask. Donovan McNabb which was really good at this last year. Making Armstrong a significant threat. We have a upgrade at running back with Helu and Royster and Torrain is a pretty damn good running back when healthy. Our Defense got a upgrade with Jenkins and Kerrigan. With Landry back from injury and Hall being a ball hawk we could have a really good Defense. Special teams we have a threat everytime he touches the ball. You all know who I'm talking about. Trade Haynesworth for a player a team doesn't really need. Really just try to get anything that could potentially help. Target OL in free agency. Get Davin Joseph or anyone to make this line better. So to recap... McNabb in his 2nd year. A great crop of receivers. Young blood at running back. Upgrade on the defense. Seek OL free agents. Offense- Check Defense- Check Special Teams- Check Coaching- Check This would be going all in for this year. If it fails we draft our QB in the draft anyways. What do you all think of this? ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 01:40 PM ---------- All you would need to add in FA is a Plaxico which would not have to contribute right away. Hopefully by game 8 he gets in a groove and can be a major threat demanding double teams. Then just target great Offensive Lineman. If it doesnt work we get our QB for the future and continue to rebuild. ---------- Post added June-12th-2011 at 01:42 PM ---------- How do the Jets make a run almost every year? Adding good players in the draft and getting some good free agents (Edwards and Holmes) Wouldn't be much different than that. Let's do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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