Niles Paul: " I use to serve 'Amukamara' in practice."

[WALL-LE]

i love all you tards that think banks is getting cut..

get real people

[acuratl1984]

i love all you tards that think banks is getting cut..

get real people

I think we have to see how the new KO rule will affect the NFL season..., based on that Banks may or may not be here especially since he doesnt really play a role as a WR

[Conn]

i love all you tards that think banks is getting cut..

get real people

He brings nothing to this offense, without greatly endangering what he brings to Special Teams: the reason he'd be on the roster.

So if Shanahan can get nearly equal return skills from Paul and Robinson, who also have the ability to grow into core WR's on this team, he's not going to keep a specialist around.

You should "get real", and open your mind to something that's at least possible. Maybe not likely, but certainly very possible.

Calling everyone you disagree with a "tard" only makes you seem your age, by the way. Not a great way to hold a respectful discussion.

[SpacePenguin]

For almost every position i think there needs to be at least one veteran mentoring the younger guys, and for us Santana is all we got. Keep him.

I agree, especially since its highly doubtful that any rookie wr gets considerable playing time other than Gozilla Hands Hank. Even with a full offseason, Shanny has shown he will make more talented youth earn their spot in the lineup, and they won't see the field unless they have the offense down.

Otherwise, Joey Galloway would've been cut week 3.

With this lockout dragging on, I'd expect the WR lineup to look something like this.

1. AA

2. Moss

3. Kelly (Moss moves to slot when he's in)

4. Hankerson (will likely move up the chart throughout the year)

Austin, Paul, Robinson, and Banks will compete for the final 2 spots, the other 2 go to PS.

When, not if, Kelly gets hurt, it opens up a spot for more youth on the roster lol

[Warhead36]

I think the idea of veterans "mentoring" young guys is a myth. These vets are usually out for themselves and doing everything they can to make sure they're ready to play so they can keep their job. I mean everyone bashed Brett Favre for saying it wasn't his job to mentor Aaron Rodgers but he was just saying what every vet is thinking when they're asked to mentor young guys who are trying to take their jobs.

[elkabong82]

Banks making the roster depends entirely on whether or not he can still shine despite the kickoff changes.

Either Paul or Robinson will see the practice squad, just because I wouldn't bet one 2 low round WRs making the final 53.

Moss will be back. Read his twitter and the tea leaves. Armstrong cemented himself, IMO. Hankerson I'd bet makes the roster. Austin has the edge over the rookies.

The realist in me doesn't think Kelly makes it, after this long the odds are stacked substantially against him. I'm rooting for him though.

FWIW, I think our most likely final 53 has the WR corp of Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Paul, Banks/Robinson/Kelly (last 3 in order of likelihood if we do keep 6).

[WALL-LE]

He brings nothing to this offense, without greatly endangering what he brings to Special Teams: the reason he'd be on the roster.

So if Shanahan can get nearly equal return skills from Paul and Robinson, who also have the ability to grow into core WR's on this team, he's not going to keep a specialist around.

You should "get real", and open your mind to something that's at least possible. Maybe not likely, but certainly very possible.

Calling everyone you disagree with a "tard" only makes you seem your age, by the way. Not a great way to hold a respectful discussion.

no..

you dont need banks to produce on offense because he is an explosive return man, probly biggest playmaker on the team next to dhall.

thats the problem, u dont get returners like banks, cribbs, sproles often and when u do u dont cut them for 5th string WR.

They are not the same returners as banks and will not contribute on offense, certainly not their rookie season.

[SpacePenguin]

no..

you dont need banks to produce on offense because he is an explosive return man, probly biggest playmaker on the team next to dhall.

thats the problem, u dont get returners like banks, cribbs, sproles often and when u do u dont cut them for 5th string WR.

They are not the same returners as banks and will not contribute on offense, certainly not their rookie season.

The shelf life for these guys is pretty short, I'm rooting for Banks, but 150 lb players don't last very long, whether he makes the 53 this year or not.

On a side note, I'd rather cut the "playmaker" Hall and give his money to Rogers, someone who can actually cover....but thats another thread altogether ;p

[panel]

If moss is not on the team, Armstrong is #1.

[Conn]

no..

you dont need banks to produce on offense because he is an explosive return man, probly biggest playmaker on the team next to dhall.

thats the problem, u dont get returners like banks, cribbs, sproles often and when u do u dont cut them for 5th string WR.

They are not the same returners as banks and will not contribute on offense, certainly not their rookie season.

That's the way that you think. With the new KR rules, there's no way to know if that's how Shanahan thinks. He didn't draft all of these rookie WR's, who happen to be accomplished returners as well, for the hell of it. Banks proved that he was explosive, but he also proved that its going to be tough for a guy his size to stay healthy. And you don't keep an injury-prone returner on the roster who doesn't contribute on offense, IF others can effectively fill his spot. That's a big "if", but we'll see.

Either way, the point is that its not impossible.

[SirClintonPortis]

The shelf life for these guys is pretty short, I'm rooting for Banks, but 150 lb players don't last very long, whether he makes the 53 this year or not.

On a side note, I'd rather cut the "playmaker" Hall and give his money to Rogers, someone who can actually cover....but thats another thread altogether ;p

Rogers hasn't put forth full effort since 2008. IF he even gets his freaking gargantuan, he'll mail it in. AVOID.

Hall is frustrating. Playmaker, but sometimes too undisciplined.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

The shelf life for these guys is pretty short, I'm rooting for Banks, but 150 lb players don't last very long, whether he makes the 53 this year or not.

On a side note, I'd rather cut the "playmaker" Hall and give his money to Rogers, someone who can actually cover....but thats another thread altogether ;p

Why is "playmaker" in quotes?...Not sure why anyone would want to diminish that very positive aspect of his game. It could be argued that Hall won the Redskins 2 games last season with his playmaking ability.

[RawBBQSauce]

pssshh...Amukamara is overrated anyways

[Dirt]

That's the way that you think. With the new KR rules, there's no way to know if that's how Shanahan thinks. He didn't draft all of these rookie WR's, who happen to be accomplished returners as well, for the hell of it. Banks proved that he was explosive, but he also proved that its going to be tough for a guy his size to stay healthy. And you don't keep an injury-prone returner on the roster who doesn't contribute on offense, IF others can effectively fill his spot. That's a big "if", but we'll see.

Either way, the point is that its not impossible.

I think Banks has done enough to solidify the return spot, at LEAST for this coming season. He had a lot of really good returns and some touchdowns, I mean what more could you ask of the guy. I know, you'd say contribute on offense, but besides Desean Jackson, I can't think of too many big time offensive contributors/return men. I know there's more, but I don't think it's a deal breaker. There's room on the special teams depth chart for a guy who's taken as many to the house as he has.

His fumble 'problem' preseason didn't pan out to be some big problem. And I don't think his size really had anything to do with injury. The worry with him is he takes a brutal hit in the middle of the field and just gets broken..and I know at least once he did make that catch in the middle of the field, take the hit, and get up. Plus it's pretty unfair to call him 'injury prone' after one injury, in one season in which he contributed big time.

Like I meant about Moss, we can't be picky, and we don't have to be so needy about each and every roster spot. There's plenty of young guys getting a chance, and Banks is one that earned it. These rookies will have nothing but camp/preseason to take the return role from Banks, and I don't think that's enough to convince Shanny to replace him. "effectively" filling his spot would mean they would have to be better than Banks in the few preseason returns they get. I doubt any of them take it to the house like Brandon did last preseason.

I'm excited about Banks, one of very few things to be excited about, and I don't wanna think about cutting him. Shanny would have to be REALLY good to draft star returners 2 years in a row, 3 players altogether. Banks was a find. Keep him.

[Hitman21ST]

Moss, Hankerson, Armstrong, Paul, Kelly

[Conn]

Dirt,

I love Banks as well, I'm just saying that its possible, if one of the rookies proves to have adequate return skills.

Because people are mis-remembering. This line: "a guy who's taken as many to the house as he has", makes it obvious that you don't remember he's only taken 1 to house, ever (not including preseason). And it was on KR, which is a duty he probably won't be given this upcoming year. He's best fit for PR, and he's never scored on one.

People are going to be surprised by what Paul brings to the return game. I think the first reason for drafting him was to take over KR duties, while developing him in the role that Devin Thomas would have played had he worked out: the physical possession receiver with YAC ability and some down-field explosion. Banks would have to prove EXCEPTIONAL at PR to keep him solely for that purpose.

This is what I've been getting at. Once you start really looking at it, it becomes harder to justify a roster spot for Banks.

[Stophovr6]

If moss is not on the team, Armstrong is #1.

I really think someone else will take that roll. I know we have had horrible luck with receivers but I think that will change with this new crop. A lot of potential and competition with young guys will make it that much better. My money is on Hankerson.

[addicted]

The longer the lockout goes the more it hurts any rookie receiver from developing into a rhythm with the QB and with a QB like Beck that's crucial (if you buy that). And its because of the lost time I think its much less likely a rookie receiver gets playing time before the season starts. I don't believe the chances to outseat the veterans is too good this year regardless of talent. If Banks or Kelly get outseated by Paul in whatever training camp we have this year that would be pretty damn good for our team. Paul's chances of making the final 53 aren't as likely this year as they would have been other years. Some of you are forgetting Mike likes veteran wideouts and I'm thinking we will bring in someone.

What I'm wondering is if the league might envoke a increase the roster limit which I think might happen this year due to the lost time or a freeze on taking practice squad players, something to help this rookie class actually get time to show what they got like in any other year. If that happens Paul's chances just went up.

[drtdrums]

Prince has issues that are going to show up in the pros, imo. There are reasons many scouts weren't very high on him -- namely, his coverage is dependent on contact with receivers after 5 yards in college. He's all over them before the ball is in the air. If those old habits crop up in games, I'd say he'll get picked on a lot. He has never shown the ability to turn and run that Peterson had.

[BKSkinsFan]

Regarding our WR corps, I'd love to see Moss back, but I don't see resigning him as critical to our future which is where we need to look at this point. I'd still love to see Vincent Jackson here, just not sure of his status as this point, and if he'd be willing to wait out a season with Sexy or Beck to find out who his new QB will be.

Honestly, I don't see our QB and o-line situation being something any big name free agent WR would see as an attractive option. This may be a season to develop the young guys, then land a bigger name once we draft Luck and straighten out the o-line. What???? I'm a dreamer...

[Redskins4ever]

Prince Amukamara was no bum CB in college. Niles Paul must really have confidence in his abilities to be talking about a former college teammate who is now a division rival. This kid just may be a very productive WR for us for years to come.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

This is what I've been getting at. Once you start really looking at it, it becomes harder to justify a roster spot for Banks.

I hear everything you are saying, but let's be honest... Was there anyone on the team last year doing his job better than BB? Field position is the most important aspect of the game and Banks provides it nearly every time he touches the ball.

You don't allow an elite return man to walk because you have an "adequate" one to replace him... He needs to stop producing or get stabbed at least two more times before you think about releasing my BabyBanks.

[Conn]

I hear everything you are saying, but let's be honest... Was there anyone on the team last year doing his job better than BB? Field position is the most important aspect of the game and Banks provides it nearly every time he touches the ball.

You don't allow an elite return man to walk because you have an "adequate" one to replace him... He needs to stop producing or get stabbed at least two more times before you think about releasing my BabyBanks.

Hey, I don't want Banks gone either. I'm just arguing that its possible. If you're Mike Shanahan, you don't draft 3 WR's (2 of which are skilled returners) if you're happy with your depth chart at WR. And who is at the bottom of that depth chart? Austin and Banks. Those guys are in danger if the rookies prove that they can do what they do and more.

We'll see what happens, and its not necessarily what I want (though I reserve the right to change that, while watching preseason ). But its very possible.

[Laxpunk2006]

Hey, I don't want Banks gone either. I'm just arguing that its possible. If you're Mike Shanahan, you don't draft 3 WR's (2 of which are skilled returners) if you're happy with your depth chart at WR. And who is at the bottom of that depth chart? Austin and Banks. Those guys are in danger if the rookies prove that they can do what they do and more.

We'll see what happens, and its not necessarily what I want (though I reserve the right to change that, while watching preseason ). But its very possible.

I completely agree with everything you've been saying Conn. I'd love to see Banks stick around for the next 10 years doing his best Hester impression too but his roster spot is far from a lock.

He offers KR and PR skills. It looks like we'll have someone else handling KR this year. If that is the case can we justify a roster spot for a PR? Who else plays ST? Moss, Armstrong, and Hankerson are out if they're the top 3. Kelly has never been a ST guy. Austin has some return ability but can he play coverage? Paul probably can. Robinson seems small for that role.

It's just hard to justify roster spots on one trick ponies even if they're great at it. If Banks wants to stay on this team, which again I hope he does, he's going to need to show he can at least be productive in limited action on offense. Packing on a few pounds wouldn't hurt either if he can keep his burst.

[SpacePenguin]

Why is "playmaker" in quotes?...Not sure why anyone would want to diminish that very positive aspect of his game. It could be argued that Hall won the Redskins 2 games last season with his playmaking ability.

Precisely because with Hall, being a playmaker is not purely positive. He either makes plays or gets burned horribly, making plays for the opposing offense. I will say his tackling has improved, and he helped to pull out a couple of games we really should have lost. He also cost us games every season as well, and can't be relied on to play man defense against bigger WRs. Its why I say Carlos was playing the true 1 role, Hall just gets paid the money.

Anyways, I'm not wanting to resign Rogers to a big contract. But between the two cornerbacks, I think Rogers was the better value. Even when Rogers is supposedly slacking off, teams target Hall consistently for a reason. Some days he makes them pay, most not.