Madison Redskin Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'd honestly like to ask you and Burgold if you agree with this statement that I've heard many times. " If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace in Israel. if Israel laid down their weapons, it would cease to exist." There's a sizeable contingent of Israelis who are intent on settling lands that are currently in the hands of Palestinians. There are also a number of Israelis who would like to kick Palestinians out of those areas. The notion that Israel just wants to be left alone (as though it's some monolith) is bunk. And, just in case you think the comment above indicates that I "back" the Palestinians, I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 I know I shouldn't have brought up Israel/Palestine. Now, this thread will be doomed to go off on a wide and angry tangent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I just read that Romney's big time fundraiser success the other day isnt really as true as was reported. From what I just heard, he didnt actually collect any money and it was in the form of informal "committments" from wealthy donors. I was quite impressed with a one day $10.5 Million haul, but if he didnt actually get any money, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 So he got smart people who will give him money if he has a chance to win that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 So he got smart people who will give him money if he has a chance to win that makes sense No, it appears that he got very smart people to SAY they would give him money at some undefined point in the future. The reason I bring it up is that if this is true, Romney doesnt have a red cent more in fundraising than he had a week ago, and the articles and news reports that are trumpeting his so called success are being a bit dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 No, it appears that he got very smart people to SAY they would give him money at some undefined point in the future. The reason I bring it up is that if this is true, Romney doesnt have a red cent more in fundraising than he had a week ago, and the articles and news reports that are trumpeting his so called success are being a bit dishonest. I agree if he's got comittments for money if he looks like he's going to be the winner it doesn't mean as much as people outright backing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I agree if he's got comittments for money if he looks like he's going to be the winner it doesn't mean as much as people outright backing him. I do want to be careful though, what I heard is just a rumor at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Gotcha. Sad that we have to filter out so much rumor reporting these days. Downside of the instant news era and blogosphere world we live in, I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Gotcha. Sad that we have to filter out so much rumor reporting these days. Downside of the instant news era and blogosphere world we live in, I suppose It does suck to always have to add a caveat, but Ive been burned by posting unconfirmed before. I do think this is true though. I think his media pals pulled a bit of a fast one by crowing his huge success when it probably wasnt material support as we were led to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Most large donations are done in that fashion,he was ot trying to get $50 a pop from granny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Or his media pals went with the info his PR people were putting out. It's pretty hard to independently figure out how much person "x" has raised. Eventually, you can look at the books and the books have to match up (that's how we found out about the Palin wardrobe scandal) but in the short term, you rely on the campaign offices self-report. Usually, they're fairly honest as they don't want to get caught in a lie, but every so often they will. I certainly can believe that pledged money is counted the same (for public purposes) as cash in hand. Then again, I don't know if your rumor is absolute truth or exaggeration. Being that it came from the world of politics, you have to imagine there is some spin though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Most large donations are done in that fashion,he was ot trying to get $50 a pop from granny and he apparently got zero as a result thus far (if rumor is true) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 No, it appears that he got very smart people to SAY they would give him money at some undefined point in the future. I get this all the time. Funding organizations often want to see that you have "commitments" of a certain amount of money before they'll support you. It doesn't really matter if those commitments come through, they just need to see the commitments. So there's pressure to get people to "commit" to funding you even if there's a very small chance they'll actually be able to follow through with their commitment when the time comes. Its a stupid game and I won't play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 So we expect this year to be worse than Bush/Kerry or Bush/Gore? i have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Just to let ya know, Bush and Reagan were also compared to the Anti-Christ.---------- Post added May-18th-2011 at 11:48 PM ---------- http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2008/02/obama_the_messiah.html it would be hard to come up with a MORE perfect exapmle of somebody ignoring context (and what they are seeing) to jump to their pre-conceived opinion . thank you (just to spell it ALL THE WAY out for you.. that picture was asking the question whether the JOB of the Presidency asks to much from the MORTALS that inhabit the office. but don't let that slow you down.... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 honorary_hog;8305289]We need a facebook-style "like" button. Burg, I really appreciate that post, and feel like there's nothing I need to add. I keep reading people wishing they had a "like" button here. Obviously, it's a hardship for some Facebookies to simply make a post saying "great post---here's what I liked" in a reply. Kudos to you HH for taking that demanding step even if you still long for life to be better and easier. :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 I keep reading people wishing they had a "like" button here. Obviously, it's a hardship for some Facebookies to simply make a post saying "great post---here's what I liked" in a reply. Kudos to you HH for taking that demanding step even if you still long for life to be better and easier. :pfft: You do realize that few are going to "like" you advocating this. After all, if in the 1950's there was never an "I like Ike" button then Ike would have gotten really sour and depressed. We need affirmation that comes with a needle stuck to the back of it. Isn't it enough that our views don't "count" Now you want to make it harder for people to "like" us? Geesh, what did we do to you. It's not like we're complaining, undisciplined, loud, repeat the same mistakes over and over again without any sign of learning or embarrassment. It's not like we aren't friendly, go lucky, go with the flow type of non-troublemakers. Why wouldn't you want people to "like" us. Is it so hard to "like" us? (I still don't have a FB account. I suppose I'll need one one day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 it would be hard to come up with a MORE perfect exapmle of somebody ignoring context (and what they are seeing) to jump to their pre-conceived opinion .thank you (just to spell it ALL THE WAY out for you.. that picture was asking the question whether the JOB of the Presidency asks to much from the MORTALS that inhabit the office. but don't let that slow you down.... ) Yeah, appreciate that info Poindexter, but it was meant as a joke, that you obviously missed, but don't let that slow you down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQCOWBOY Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 For three years, including several months before he took office we have heard non-stop how Barack Obama was the worst President in U.S. history. A President that made Jimmy Carter look like a combo of FDR and Ronald Reagan. Yet here we are in the election cycle looking at the candidates who are rising to oppose him and save us from Obama's monstrous incompetency... and I am more struck by who's not running than who is? If Obama is as bad as the Republicans, the Conservatives, the Libertarians, and Talk Radio says... why are so many afraid to face him? Why do many think he'll be difficult to unseat. Okay sure, he stabilized the banking industry, saved the U.S. automotive industry, and got Bin Laden, but unemployment still sucks, gas prices are high, and we are beginning to feel inflation. We're talking about the worst leader in the history of humanity people! Why are the big time Republicans cowering in a corner and refusing to run? Could it be that Obama's been pretty good? It could be anything but I somehow doubt that it's because everybody is afraid to run. I think it's more a product of quality candidates at this point in time. Prior to Obama, I don't think the Democratic Party had a very good bench, so far as candidates. I think it's something that happens to each party at certain times of their respective existances. JMO ---------- Post added May-19th-2011 at 04:14 PM ---------- I keep reading people wishing they had a "like" button here. Obviously, it's a hardship for some Facebookies to simply make a post saying "great post---here's what I liked" in a reply. Kudos to you HH for taking that demanding step even if you still long for life to be better and easier. :pfft: Hey Jumbo, how you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 It could be anything but I somehow doubt that it's because everybody is afraid to run. I think it's more a product of quality candidates at this point in time. Prior to Obama, I don't think the Democratic Party had a very good bench, so far as candidates. I think it's something that happens to each party at certain times of their respective existances. JMO You guys just wish you had someone as charismatic as Al Gore or as steadfast as John Kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 You guys just wish you had someone as charismatic as Al Gore or as steadfast as John Kerry. Woof. That was a brutal couple of candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 Woof. That was a brutal couple of candidates. Would you have rather we went with John Edwards. John Edwards = Newt Gingrich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdigle Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Did the OP forget about Mitch Daniels? He's probably the only real GOP threat to Obama since public finance is his bread and butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 He doesn't seem intimidated http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7573383.html Huntsman: Obama shouldn't have intervened in Libya On other points, Huntsman: _Suggested that a drawdown of U.S. troops in Afghanistan is inevitable. "We have too much in the way of boots on the ground in corners of the world where we probably don't need it," he said. _He would repeal Obama's health care overhaul, if he had a chance. And he backs the alternative deficit-reduction plan put forth by Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, which includes a proposal to substantially overhaul Medicare. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who has declared his candidacy for the Republican nomination, has retracted a statement he made Sunday in which he referred to Ryan's plan as a "radical" approach. _Said he is "very proud of my Mormon heritage." Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7573383.html#ixzz1MtbvivWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December90 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=290927008 This is the Redskins football equivalent of what you are talking about. Obama sucks, we would be hard pressed to find a president who has done worse things domestically (unemployment, national debt etc...) and worse things internationally (with the lone exception of allowing the Seals to kill Osama) This "leader" may be on a 19 game losing streak, but he gets to face the Redskins of September 27, 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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