pjfootballer Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Lopez, Humphries and Jordan Williams are parts of the deal to acquire Dwight. Plus another guy and 13, 15 and 17 first round picks to Orlando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Wiz should still be a team competing for a playoff spot. Assuming Indiana is still a playoff team, that leaves 3 spots between NY, Philly, Wizards, and maybe Milwaukee or Toronto?? Orlando and Atlanta will fall off significantly. Orlando would be cooked but Atlanta will still have a high quality front court and be right there in it for the final spots. NY will make it. Philly has shown they can make it. Toronto is promising but might still be a little ways off. Is their defensive turnaround for real? Milwaukee will be good defensively but does Monta Ellis get them over the hump with his offense? I have my doubts. I think we'll have as good a shot as anyone because we'll be strong defensively and John is ready to make his leap. Once he does, he'll be a far better player than anyone on Toronto/Milwaukee/Atlanta/Philly and give us a leg up on everyone else. I also think Boston could tumble a bit the next few years if Jared Sullinger doesn't work out. Avery Bradley is a high quality defender but not an outlet for Rondo to pile up dimes. Ray Allen is probably gone. KG turned it on for the playoffs, but he's getting older and declining a little more every year. Pierce looks like he's about cooked. Bass is probably getting traded (and a fairly mediocre player anyway IMO). The Celtics are a slow team with a PG who wants to and is extremely capable of playing very fast. I don't think they stay at the top of the conference for long unless Sully becomes the next Kevin Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorPickSix Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) How in the hell can the Nets get Howard now? Didn't they just trade away most of their alluring assets? Not to mention, they now have big $$$ tied into Johnson, Wallace, and presumably Williams. EDIT: Just saw pj's post. That's nuts. Edited July 3, 2012 by TaylorPickSix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Lopez, Humphries and Jordan Williams are parts of the deal to acquire Dwight. Plus another guy and 13, 15 and 17 first round picks to Orlando. That deal looks way crappier than one they probably could have gotten before from somebody else. Remember when it was possibly Dwight for Andrew Bynum and change? Ouch. Humphries in a sign and trade? I would insist on him if I'm Orlando. He's a gritty player and they'd need his toughness on the boards in the absence of Dwight. Lopez will at least give them some low post scoring I guess. Those draft picks would be worthless if Dwight and Deron are both still in Brooklyn. ---------- Post added July-3rd-2012 at 09:13 AM ---------- How in the hell can the Nets get Howard now? Didn't they just trade away most of their alluring assets? Not to mention, they now have big $$$ tied into Johnson, Wallace, and presumably Williams. Prokhorov is one of the richest owners in the NBA and wouldn't blink at spending well into the luxury tax. I don't know how they get him in trade. But Dwigh said it's the only team he wants to go to so that might be tying Orlando's hands. Nobody wants to give up something good for a one year rental. The Nets might be the only team that comes to the table to deal, and Orlando isn't going to want to lose him for nothing next summer. There isn't a doubt in my mind that Howard will leave Orlando now. ---------- Post added July-3rd-2012 at 09:20 AM ---------- https://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Perna Remember this from the end of the season? http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wizards-watch/2012/may/2/more-pearls-wizards-wisdom-part-2-4/ “[We need] a veteran or two or three. Somebody that can be knock down shooter and play defense, and maybe even a veteran point guard. Somebody to help me and talk to me the way Kirk Hinrich did at certain times.” Sounds like we'd be targeting a PG with some credibility more than a SG. I'd be surprised if we went for Randy Foye since he's not a very good PG. It looks like John wants someone capable of tutoring him a bit at his own position. Smart. I think John Lucas sounded interesting. DC native who is used to playing behind Derrick Rose now. I wish Jason Kidd wasn't so hell bent on joining Deron Williams. He'd be an amazing mentor for John. ---------- Post added July-3rd-2012 at 09:23 AM ---------- Bulls will also take a brief tumble in the conference standings next season. Derrick Rose tore his ACL in May. It takes a year to really come back from those types on injuries. They'll be a mid to late seed without him playing at an All Star level for an entire season. Without Rose, they don't have enough offense to overcome from the fact they won't be perfect defensively for 82 games. ---------- Post added July-3rd-2012 at 09:31 AM ---------- Lopez, Humphries and Jordan Williams are parts of the deal to acquire Dwight. Plus another guy and 13, 15 and 17 first round picks to Orlando. I'm reading it's Marshon Brooks and not Jordan Williams. Williams looks like he was a part of the Joe Johnson deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Wiz should still be a team competing for a playoff spot. Assuming Indiana is still a playoff team, that leaves 3 spots between NY, Philly, Wizards, and maybe Milwaukee or Toronto?? Orlando and Atlanta will fall off significantly. So... we have a ceiling of becoming the 5th best in the East. Terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorPickSix Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Broussard tweeted Deron Williams is working out at the Nets practice facility. I know this isn't any different from what he's done all off-season, but you'd have to think the Nets wouldn't want him there if they thought he was gonna sign with Dallas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 So... we have a ceiling of becoming the 5th best in the East. Terrific. Um....you wouldn't take that? Think about how bad this team has been in the Wall-era. IF they can make a jump from a 20-25 win team to being possibly as good as being the 5th seed in the East' date=' you'd be ecstatic. ---------- Post added July-3rd-2012 at 11:46 AM ---------- Broussard tweeted Deron Williams is working out at the Nets practice facility. I know this isn't any different from what he's done all off-season, but you'd have to think the Nets wouldn't want him there if they thought he was gonna sign with Dallas... Broussard is a clown. His "sources" are about as trustworthy as listing Yahoo Answers in a bibliography. I don't doubt that Williams was working out in Brooklyn (he does live in NY, afterall)....but dude is a herb tweeting that to rile people up to think Williams is any closer to re-signing w. the Nets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Um....you wouldn't take that? Think about how bad this team has been in the Wall-era. IF they can make a jump from a 20-25 win team to being possibly as good as being the 5th seed in the East, you'd be ecstatic. What good is demolishing, and rebuilding a team if the best case scenario is that you are 5th best in your own conference. That sucks, and is depressing. We need to hope that Wall makes the leap this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 So... we have a ceiling of becoming the 5th best in the East. Terrific. There is no way in hell we can go from 14th in the conference to 5th next year. There is no way in hell we are a playoff team next year. There is still a ton of work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Well.. i never said we would be 5th next year. I said we would have a ceiling of 5th. I think we can be a playoff team next year. But i dont think we are anywhere close to contending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 There is no way in hell we can go from 14th in the conference to 5th next year. There is no way in hell we are a playoff team next year. There is still a ton of work to do. Wanna make a wager on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I dont believe a word Chris Broussard is saying. He is the new Peter Vescey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Well.. i never said we would be 5th next year. I said we would have a ceiling of 5th. I think we can be a playoff team next year. But i dont think we are anywhere close to contending. If the ceiling with the CURRENT roster we have is 5th in the conference, you wouldn't take that? No, we're nowhere close to contending for a title. Not even in the same stratosphere. However, I do think (realistically) we'll be fighting for the 8th seed this year. Again, keep an eye on 2014. By then we'll have a good idea as to the trajectory of this squad. The team will look COMPLETELY different as guys like Ariza/Okafor/and possibly Nene will be gone from the roster. They'll hopefully be replaced by younger and BETTER talent and this team will be seen as a team on the rise that has the potential to come out of the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) What good is demolishing' date=' and rebuilding a team if the best case scenario is that you are 5th best in your own conference. That sucks, and is depressing. We need to hope that Wall makes the leap this year.[/quote']The demolishing hasn't happened yet under Ted Leonsis. We swapped starting centers and gave away Nick Young, who was coming off the bench at the time. They went extremely young in Ted's first year but really, they were already young when he took over. After one season they are significantly older. It seems however the Ted isn't terribly confident in this working out. If you look at how this all plays out the team has a built in reset two season away. This is essentially the Wizards organization: GM - Grunfeld HC - Wittman PG - Wall / Mack SG - Beal / Crawford SF - Ariza / Singleton / Vesely PF - Nene / Booker / Blatche C - Okafor / Seraphin Only the names in green are under contract for 2014-15. Grunfeld and Wittman have two season to deliver results or the team automatically self destructs. A new GM would essentially come in and be able to start from scratch, picking any choosing restricted free agents to resign and which to simply kiss goodbye. Because of this and the fact that Leonsis said that he didn't want to be in the lottery anymore I think this team is in win now mode. Edited July 3, 2012 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Wanna make a wager on that? I'm not a betting man, but if they finish 5th or better in the conference, it would be like a legitimate Bigfoot sighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuposse87 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm not a betting man, but if they finish 5th or better in the conference, it would be like a legitimate Bigfoot sighting. Miami Pacers Knicks Nets (if they acquire Howard) All teams expected to be considerably better. Knicks are up there on potential alone, I assume they will kind of figure it out. Toronto also becomes a playoff team with Nash but I'm not sure where they fit into the rankings with him yet. Boston can be a playoff team again, but you are kidding yourself if you think an older KG and Pierce are going to get any better. They more than likely will lose Allen so they won't have their 3 point shooting to bail them out. While they did retool a little in the draft, I though they needed to address a wing player before the bigs. I like Melo for them, although he won't be a factor early on. Sullinger is a wild card, he could either incredibly suck, or have great value for his slot. ATL can make the playoffs with teague, smith and horford...but I think they'd be best served tanking, and going for the Muhammad sweepstakes. I would venture to say we are on par with all the remaining playoff contenders in the east, Cavs, Bucks, Sixers, and maybe detroit this year. I honestly see it breaking down like this: 1- Miami 2-Pacers(if they keep hibbert) 3- Celtics (i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they make a big push) 4-Knicks 5-Nets 6-Wizards 7-Sixers 8-Chicago If Nash goes to Toronto, they probably get the 6 seed and the seeding all falls one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Knicks??? As long as Melo/STAT are together, they'll never finish above a 5th seed in the East. Honeymoon stage w/ Woody was great. But I FULLY expect the wheels to fall off at some point this season. Watching the playoffs this past year should have made it glaringly obvious that neither Carmelo or Stoudemire have the mental make-up to do what it takes to CARRY a team through a playoff series. NEITHER guy will ever do enough on the defensive end to make this happen. I think Carmelo Anthony is the single-most overrated player in the NBA. He (along w/ Dolan) screwed the Knicks out of ANY roster flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 There is no way in hell we can go from 14th in the conference to 5th next year. There is no way in hell we are a playoff team next year. There is still a ton of work to do. Wanna make a wager on that? I agree you have 5 starters in B-Ball. We've so far replaced 3 starters on last years roster. It's an entirely new team. Three starters are top 3 lottery picks. That's a pretty decent nucleous.. Problem is two are still very young. I could see them going to the playoffs, I could also see them struggling to find themselves for a few years before they develop into the players they will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Knicks??? As long as Melo/STAT are together, they'll never finish above a 5th seed in the East. Honeymoon stage w/ Woody was great. But I FULLY expect the wheels to fall off at some point this season. Watching the playoffs this past year should have made it glaringly obvious that neither Carmelo or Stoudemire have the mental make-up to do what it takes to CARRY a team through a playoff series. NEITHER guy will ever do enough on the defensive end to make this happen. I think Carmelo Anthony is the single-most overrated player in the NBA. He (along w/ Dolan) screwed the Knicks out of ANY roster flexibility. I don't see the Knick's making a lot of noise in the post season but they'll finish about the wizards. I'm still not seeing how the Wizards are a lock to be in the post season let alone the 5th seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I don't see the Knick's making a lot of noise in the post season but they'll finish about the wizards. I'm still not seeing how the Wizards are a lock to be in the post season let alone the 5th seed. Knicks' ceiling is being between a 5-8 seed with their current roster. The way the team is constructed, they will never win a post season series let alone be in contention for the ECF. As far as the Wizards....realistically, I'd like to see them be in the mix for the 8th seed this year with a record floating around .500. That can either be a few games over, or a few games under. The way the 8th seed has gone over the past couple of years, you can be either over .500 or under, and still be in the playoffs. I'm not saying we're going to make it, but I would like to see smart and competitive basketball being played. I think that's reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Lets say Howard goes to the Nets, Allen returns to Boston and the Hawks complete all their trades. Teams that will still blow the Wizards away: Miami Boston (That's 2 so far) Teams good enough to beat us regularly: Chicago (even without Rose- with Rose, I'd put them with Mia and Bos) Philadelphia New Jersey Indiana (That's 6 so far if you're keeping count) Teams that play even with us, but may still have a better record: New York Toronto (with or without Nash) Cleveland (improving) Milwaukee (depends on who they re-sign) Atlanta (even with their trades, they are even with us) (So that's 11 teams that can finish above us) Teams we can pass or have passed: Detroit (still wouldn't sleep on them) Orlando (losing Howard) Charlotte So, 6 teams I believe will finish with a better record than us. Then, we'll be fighting 5 more teams for the remaining 2 playoff spots. I say we don't make the playoffs. Sorry. It's one more year in the lottery. Edited July 3, 2012 by pjfootballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--deron-williams-agrees-to--100-million-contract-with-brooklyn-nets.html Deron Williams agrees to $100 million contract with Brooklyn NetsAll-Star point guard Deron Williams has agreed to a five-year, $100 million contract to remain with the Brooklyn Nets. Williams announced his decision on his Twitter account Tuesday night, opting to stay with the Nets rather than sign with the Dallas Mavericks. He also directly informed the Nets that he was accepting the team's five-year, $100 million offer, league sources said. Williams' decision is a coup for the Nets, who have worked hard to line up a franchise star for their move to Brooklyn this upcoming season. They unsuccessfully tried to trade for All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony last season and so far have been unable to persuade the Orlando Magic to trade All-Star center Dwight Howard. Nets general manager Billy King gambled by acquiring Williams at the 2011 trade deadline, and was able to secure Williams' commitment by selling him on the franchise's future. Williams' commitment comes one day after the Nets acquired All-Star guard Joe Johnson in a blockbuster trade that sent guards Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar and DeShawn Stevenson and forwards Jordan Williams and Johan Petro to the Hawks, along with a lottery-protected 2013 first-round pick the Nets acquired from the Houston Rockets. The Nets also have agreed to a four-year, $40 million contract with forward Gerald Wallace, a three-year, $15.6 million deal with Bosnian forward Mirza Teletovic and a three-year, $5 million deal with forward Reggie Evans, who was acquired in a sign-and-trade agreement with the Los Angeles Clippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Even with Williams re-signing, I don't figure them to be any better than a 4/5 seed at best. Might win a playoff series here or there, but ultimately won't be legit title contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 There is no way in hell we can go from 14th in the conference to 5th next year. There is no way in hell we are a playoff team next year. There is still a ton of work to do. We're making it. Climb on board now to beat the crowd. Wall will be a superstar and Beal will be an All Star. The future is going to be terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Even with Williams re-signing, I don't figure them to be any better than a 4/5 seed at best. Might win a playoff series here or there, but ultimately won't be legit title contenders. Johnson, DWill, Wallace, and Lopez. Not a bad team but while I think they could be a higher seed than you do, I don't see them winning a title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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