fdarugar Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Bottom line is we need a strong side LB. If Porter is it for a year, then so be it. I just hope it's for vet minimum. Given Porter's recent success...I doubt we will get him for any less than what Foote got most likely more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Oh damn I didn't know he was 33 years old. I mean damn 26 or 23 whatever sacks in the past 2 seasons I mean at 31 he was still getting more than 10 sacks a year. And damn we should get rid of Fletcher with his old ass and Ravens how dumb are they keeping Ray Lewis That's completely different and you know it. Fletcher and Lewis play different positions, and Lewis plays behind a very very good d-line. He's still a pretty good player, but he's not the all around impact player that he used to be. Steelers didn't view him as a crucial player. The Dolphins aren't keeping him around after such recent "success". He's definitely on the decline. He had a career low in total tackles in 2008 (despite almost doubling his best sack number), and then he topped that by doing a new career low in tackles in 2009. At 41. Now he's still a good pass rusher. But he'll be playing in the same spot as Orakpo. If we want him, at 33 years old, to be in the position that he's played his entire career at (besides 2007 in Miami), then that means he starts over Orakpo. This does not make sense. Having him, while he's on the decline, switch sides and play on the strong side...just reeks of Jason Taylor where we tried to move him to the other side. It's not easy doing this, you have to retrain and rebuild your muscles, your go to pass rushing moves become very different. An analogy is like saying that your right handed and you're suddenly asked to be left handed. Everything is a mirror image of what he had to do. Instead of doing rip and swim moves one way, and building up muscle to excel doing it that way, if you suddenly have to do it with your opposite arm...it becomes much harder. At 33 years old, I don't see Porter being able to make the transition. It only makes sense if Porter goes back to his normal position...but then what do you do with Orakpo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Bottom line is we need a strong side LB. If Porter is it for a year, then so be it. I just hope it's for vet minimum. Porter has never played 3-4 strong side OLB in his career. It's always been weakside. In 2007 he played OLB in a 4-3...and severely disappointed. In 2008 and 2009, he went back to weak side OLB in the 3-4. Orakpo will play the weak side OLB in the 3-4 for us. I just don't see how Porter fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Given Porter's recent success...I doubt we will get him for any less than what Foote got most likely more. He's got a big ego too and probably wants a bigger contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Yes but he is also strictly a pass rusher at this point in his career. If we want an OLB that can get after the QB and nothing else he is already on our roster and his name is Andre Carter. If we want a complete 3-4 OLB that is going to mentor younger players Joey Porter is the exact opposite. Does anyone honestly think he is going to help teach a younger player that will soon be taking his job? Some guys have the character to do that, Porter does not. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 another loud mouth player who doesn't live up to hype? Sure why not:doh:Do you even know who or what you are talking about?Yes Porter is a loud mouth, but how does he not live up to the hype? And what hype? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 As long as he doesn't hamper Rak's progress by bumping him to the right side I am in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 As long as he doesn't hamper Rak's progress by bumping him to the right side I am in. Jason Taylor is evidence that it isn't as easy to bump someone to the right side as it seems. Andre Carter mentions it as well, he's saying he has to completely redo muscles for switching sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Ya thats what I mean. One of them will play at a lower level being moved so I am not sure its a great fit. I also thought of Jason Taylor when I got wind of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_89 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Don't let him leave Redskins Park without a contract:drooley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantarchy Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Pros 4 time pro-bowler Haslett has coached him before Familiarity with the 3-4 Voted 2nd Dirtiest player in the league last year Cons History of Attitude Issues Will be 33 years old Unknown whether he can still play at a high level Miami didn't want him, despite 23 sacks over 2 years with them Voted 2nd Dirtiest player in the league last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeen80 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I wouldnt mind having him provided he can stay healthy and keep his act together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue collar Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Yes, I want Joey Porter here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 100% on board with this. All things considered, he'll also be our only 3-4 OLB that's actually an 3-4 OLB. He can cover if we ask him to. The sacks, the heart, the understanding of the system are all pluses. It wouldn't shock me if he figured out how to think about what he says before he says it now, with all the releases he's had lately. This is a great move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Porter has never played 3-4 strong side OLB in his career. It's always been weakside. In 2007 he played OLB in a 4-3...and severely disappointed. In 2008 and 2009, he went back to weak side OLB in the 3-4.Orakpo will play the weak side OLB in the 3-4 for us. I just don't see how Porter fits. Nice insight, thanks! With what you said and someone else mentioning he's only had three 10+ sacks in his career with 2008 skewing the data, i'm not as excited. He may be a solid addition to the rotation but my exceptions of him in our system have dropped drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtpop Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Heck we added Larry Johnson on offense might as well have someone like Joey Porter on defense if you can get him inexpensive and he does play in the middle of that 3-4 might work out for a year or two who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I would like it...not 100% in love with it though...I don't think he will be here though...no specific reason, just my gut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Whow whoh whoh, hold on a second. Do some of ya'll honestly believe Shallen would bring Porter here if they didn't feel they were going to get what they want out of him over what Joey Porter wants? He's going to be a mentor whether he likes it or not being in DC, but to say that he won't do it for what, how, why, ya'll don't know except for what you think you know about him. Just because you don't like a guy doesn't make him the f'n antichrist. Orakpo played strong-side OLB in the 3-4. I see a lot of ya'll are posting that he'll be weakside in the 3-4, but you'll get more out of Porter over there weakside then you will out of Orakpo. Porter would be the only true OLB that we'd have, so it's a start if we are really hell bent on just coverting all the DEs we have on the roster. I'd rather Orakpo learn the position from a guy like Porter and take control of the strong side. Put him where the action is, get the most out of him. If it's obvious he won't be able to handle it, then maybe we should be taking a second look at Orakpo in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Orakpo played strong-side OLB in the 3-4. I see a lot of ya'll are posting that he'll be weakside in the 3-4, but you'll get more out of Porter over there weakside then you will out of Orakpo. Porter would be the only true OLB that we'd have, so it's a start if we are really hell bent on just coverting all the DEs we have on the roster. I'd rather Orakpo learn the position from a guy like Porter and take control of the strong side. Put him where the action is, get the most out of him. If it's obvious he won't be able to handle it, then maybe we should be taking a second look at Orakpo in general. Dude, A LOT of 3-4 OLB are converted DE's. Merriman, Suggs, Ware, Spencer (other Cowgirls OLB). I'm also pretty sure Porter played DE in college. So that argument is moot. It was long since thought that Orakpo would be perfect as a 3-4 OLB. That's what he was billed as coming out of the draft. If it weren't for the Jets trading with the Browns, Orakpo was considered to be a a possible pick by the Browns (who run a 3-4 defense). The Packers were rumored to be interested in Orakpo to help them transition to the 3-4 as well. Instead, some players slipped and they managed to get a NT in BJ Raji to help them in the 3-4. Orakpo will be perfect as a 3-4 weak side OLB. Completely perfect. His transition to 3-4 OLB will go much much much smoother than his transition to 4-3 OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 100% on board with this. All things considered, he'll also be our only 3-4 OLB that's actually an 3-4 OLB. He can cover if we ask him to. I'd like to point out that he was allowed to do what he wanted in Miami, which is just attack the QB. He didn't go into coverage much. He's 33 and already lost his run stuffing abilities. He's a situational pass rusher at this point. You don't want him out in coverage, and you don't want him against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Dude, A LOT of 3-4 OLB are converted DE's. Merriman, Suggs, Ware, Spencer (other Cowgirls OLB). I'm also pretty sure Porter played DE in college. So that argument is moot.It was long since thought that Orakpo would be perfect as a 3-4 OLB. That's what he was billed as coming out of the draft. If it weren't for the Jets trading with the Browns, Orakpo was considered to be a a possible pick by the Browns (who run a 3-4 defense). The Packers were rumored to be interested in Orakpo to help them transition to the 3-4 as well. Instead, some players slipped and they managed to get a NT in BJ Raji to help them in the 3-4. Orakpo will be perfect as a 3-4 weak side OLB. Completely perfect. His transition to 3-4 OLB will go much much much smoother than his transition to 4-3 OLB. I don't think you understand what I'm saying about the conversion(s). Those players you named (Merriman, Suggs, Ware, Spencer) came into the league as DEs and were converted to OLB very early in their careers or the moment the ink dired on their rookie contract. This is not the case for Carter, Chris Wilson, Jarmon?, and Lorenzo f'n Alexander? Orakpo is the only exception on our roster to this trend we have set ourselves for any of the current depth at "3-4 OLB". I don't know exactly what it is you're trying to "learn" me, but I want our high first round draft pick playing strong-side and the natural beast at weakside playing weakside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I'd like to point out that he was allowed to do what he wanted in Miami, which is just attack the QB. He didn't go into coverage much. He's 33 and already lost his run stuffing abilities. He's a situational pass rusher at this point. You don't want him out in coverage, and you don't want him against the run. All the more reason to keep him on weakside. I'd feel more comfortable with him out there then Lorenzo, tho, or Mr. "I need some WD-40 for my latteral movement" Andre Carter. Let them do the rotation thing on weakside and put your best player on the strong side. That's what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml6157 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I want him here 100% without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Truth Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Yes - he is a beast and will be a force And he brings something to the table that we need on this squad....HEART Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I don't think you understand what I'm saying about the conversion(s). Those players you named (Merriman, Suggs, Ware, Spencer) came into the league as DEs and were converted to OLB very early in their careers or the moment the ink dired on their rookie contract. This is not the case for Carter, Chris Wilson, Jarmon?, and Lorenzo f'n Alexander? Good point. Chris Wilson started the transition to OLB last season, but the rest yeah. Orakpo is the only exception on our roster to this trend we have set ourselves for any of the current depth at "3-4 OLB". I don't know exactly what it is you're trying to "learn" me, but I want our high first round draft pick playing strong-side and the natural beast at weakside playing weakside. This makes no sense though. Orakpo's pass rushing success came on the weak side this past season. 11 sacks...with 8 or so coming at DE on the weak side right? Don't you think we should keep him on the weak side? Btw, Joey Porter only hit 11 or more sacks once in his career. Why do you want Orakpo playing out of position. He's never been a pass rusher on the strong side, not in college, and not with his hand in the dirt with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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