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[blindlywewander]

This one of the first visits I've really wanted to happen. My gut tells me it won't though. He'd fit better in Arizona and wants to play near his home on the west coast. I'd love if he were in B&G next year, but I just don't see it happening.

[SIXX99]

The more I think about the more I like it. It would make our front seven fierce.

[santana_4_prez]

I'm surprised how many want him. Having free agency signing withdrawals?

[Redskinizzle]

Oh damn I didn't know he was 33 years old. I mean damn 26 or 23 whatever sacks in the past 2 seasons I mean at 31 he was still getting more than 10 sacks a year. And damn we should get rid of Fletcher with his old ass and Ravens how dumb are they keeping Ray Lewis

Needs more cow bell.

[Renegade7]

This makes no sense though. Orakpo's pass rushing success came on the weak side this past season. 11 sacks...with 8 or so coming at DE on the weak side right? Don't you think we should keep him on the weak side? Btw, Joey Porter only hit 11 or more sacks once in his career.

Why do you want Orakpo playing out of position. He's never been a pass rusher on the strong side, not in college, and not with his hand in the dirt with us.

I understand what you're saying about Orakpo, Zebra, but this is what I'm seeing. Orakpo is technically already playing out of position to begin with. I watched his entire rookie season here as a redskin, there's a reason he said he felt more comfortable playing at DE with his hand in the dirt. Weakside DE, Strongside DE, doesn't matter he's a DE. He wasn't nearly as effective as a pass rusher when he played back at linebacker no matter where we put him. Weakside DE does not equal weakside OLB, even if they are both weakside, it's not the same, we all saw that.

Having said that, even if we sign Porter, Orakpo would be the youngest and the most talented of any of the "OLBs" we'll have on the roster. Based on what I saw last year, I'm more comfortable with leaving Orakpo over where the majority of the action is going to take place (strongside) instead of putting him on the weakside away from everything with everyone else playing out of position and getting embarrased instead, including Joey Porter. Joey may not get us 20 sacks next year on weakside, but he knows the position, been playing it for years, and will bring consistent pressure from that side, that at least we know. I can't say that about anyone else on the roster, even Orakpo right now.

This is a big reason I didn't want to go to a 3-4 to begin with. Orakpo can't be himself and a beast at DE anymore, he's too small to play DE in a 3-4 defense. We could put him on the weakside and bring him down with his hand in the dirt to sort of simulate that 4-3 defense, but then who's your strongside OLB? Everyone else we have is going to get embarrased over there, I can already see that coming. I believe you when you say he might be perfect at weakside OLB. I'm saying "not yet" and we still don't have anyone to play strong side OLB. Not yet.

[Hitman#21]

Hes a beast and a Gamer, i like him alot.

[Botched]

I'm surprised how many want him. Having free agency signing withdrawals?

So am I. All last season when we were losing the board was nothing but "No more big name free agent signings! Let's build from within! Vinny is an idiot! Time for change!" etc, etc, etc.

Now every time a big name/big attitude player pops up, people are drooling all over them, pleading for Bruce to whip out a contract a la Vinny Cerrato.

I'm tired of my favorite team being a punchline. But that's just me.

[illone]

He's a mercenary signing who could help the team for one year. That's it.

If they sign him it tells me the team is rebuilding while trying to win now at the same time.

I say bring him on. He is good for double digit sacks.

[boobiemiles]

No, no, no. The man's ego is to big for Fedex Field.

[DGREENHULK]

I like the way JP plays...he and Ray Lewis always struck me as the ALI's of pro football...Porter is going to be in your face and jawing at you for 60 minutes gotta want competitiors like that on your team. I hope he signs he is exciting to watch and will get RAK even more excited out there could be explosive.

[HighOnHendrix]

"No - I want classy guys like Rock who don't win trophies"

OP, really if your going to make obviously biased polls like this then please have someone else do it next time who will be less obvious how they want people to vote. The poll idea is good but the answers to it make me refuse to vote in it. Thanks

I agree. Those options are more loaded than a political poll.

[Mahons21]

This is a big reason I didn't want to go to a 3-4 to begin with. Orakpo can't be himself and a beast at DE anymore, he's too small to play DE in a 3-4 defense. We could put him on the weakside and bring him down with his hand in the dirt to sort of simulate that 4-3 defense, but then who's your strongside OLB? Everyone else we have is going to get embarrased over there, I can already see that coming. I believe you when you say he might be perfect at weakside OLB. I'm saying "not yet" and we still don't have anyone to play strong side OLB. Not yet.

-I think we're going to see a lot of Rak with his hand in the dirt. He'll be used in a similar fashion to the way the Cowboys use Ware. When he puts his hand in the dirt, we will most likely be in a Nickel package, which means we would have in a Corner rather than the OLB, but if we do decide to use a 4 man front out of our 3-4, I would imagine there is a possibility of playing Porter at weak-side, Fletch at MIKE, and Rocky out of place at SAM.

[HoyaSkins28]

i just don't think he'd be that useful. thats the only reason i dont want him.

[Travdaskin]

So am I. All last season when we were losing the board was nothing but "No more big name free agent signings! Let's build from within! Vinny is an idiot! Time for change!" etc, etc, etc.

Now every time a big name/big attitude player pops up, people are drooling all over them, pleading for Bruce to whip out a contract a la Vinny Cerrato.

I'm tired of my favorite team being a punchline. But that's just me.

SMH. You do realize that things are CLEARLY different this off-season? I SERIOUSLY doubt that we are going to overpay for this guy or any other guy. If we overspent on PLAYERS IN THEIR PRIME that is different but we overpaid for players CLEARLY ON THE DOWNSIDE of their careers. I have no problem with a little overspending just spend on the right people and players in the prime of their careers...

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

He wasn't nearly as effective as a pass rusher when he played back at linebacker no matter where we put him. Weakside DE does not equal weakside OLB, even if they are both weakside, it's not the same, we all saw that.

But you're comparing weakside 4-3 DE with weakside 4-3 OLB. Weakside 3-4 OLB is much more comparable to weakside 4-3 DE than 4-3 OLB. A lot of passing downs you'll see 3-4 OLB with their hand in the dirt anyways. Sometimes you'll see both OLB with their hand on the ground and it'll turn into a sort of 5-2 defense.

Joey may not get us 20 sacks next year on weakside, but he knows the position, been playing it for years, and will bring consistent pressure from that side, that at least we know. I can't say that about anyone else on the roster, even Orakpo right now.

There is no way in hell Joey will get 20 sacks next season. You have to keep in mind his 2008 numbers are hugely inflated cause the Dolphins BLEW at pass coverage. I think other teams attempted the fewest amount of rushing plays against them in the entire league. Why run against the Dolphins when you could pass? That's not Porter's fault. But it means he had a helluva lot more attempts to get sacks than other guys. If you remember, this past offseason, the Dolphins signed Gibril Wilson (free safety), drafted Vontae Davis (corner) in the 1st, and then drafted another corner Sean Smith in the 2nd round of the draft. They suuuuucked at covering receivers and they knew it. I doubt Porter will hit double digit sacks again, especially since he shouldn't be a full time player. He's a situational pass rusher right now.

This is a big reason I didn't want to go to a 3-4 to begin with. Orakpo can't be himself and a beast at DE anymore, he's too small to play DE in a 3-4 defense. We could put him on the weakside and bring him down with his hand in the dirt to sort of simulate that 4-3 defense, but then who's your strongside OLB? Everyone else we have is going to get embarrased over there, I can already see that coming. I believe you when you say he might be perfect at weakside OLB. I'm saying "not yet" and we still don't have anyone to play strong side OLB. Not yet.

I agree that strong side OLB is a question mark. I actually kinda like the idea of Lorenzo Alexander at that spot, he can run, I love him on special teams.

(Am I retarded? How do you embed youtube video's? I tried the youtube tags...)

Who the hell knows if he can make the transition. I like Andre Carter at 3-4 OLB everywhere except coverage. Short zone under a guy...maybe...which is primarily what a 3-4 OLB is supposed to do. Chris Wilson probably has the best chance in coverage, but again...who the hell knows.

As for Orakpo, I think you're a little mistaken about the differences between 3-4 and 4-3. A 3-4 DE's job is similar to a DT's job in a 4-3. So there's no way we or anyone would ever consider Orakpo for that.

This is a big reason I didn't want to go to a 3-4 to begin with. Orakpo can't be himself and a beast at DE anymore, he's too small to play DE in a 3-4 defense.

See. Orakpo being himself and and a beast at DE in a 4-3 is very similar to being himself and a beast in a 3-4. You have to be athletic enough for that transition, and Orakpo is more than athletic enough...there is absolutely no question he's athletic enough for it.

A 3-4 OLB is really just a 4-3 DE spaced out a bit wider. Instead of 7 technique, he can find himself lining up as an 8 or 9 technique. (Tbh, my technique numbers and exactly where they line up get a bit hazy the further they go out)

And furthermore, the Ravens will sometimes switch their 3-4 defense into the traditional 4-3 defense and have Suggs, their 3-4 weakside OLB, line up exactly as a normal 4-3 weakside DE would. So very good defensive teams are known to do this.

[turtle]

Sign him up

[die.hard.skins.fan]

I agree that Porter is a good athlete and player, but his character issues are far to many!!!

Need I remind you guys of the incident at a las vegas casino involving Levi Jones??? He literally attacked Jones, it was 4 on 1.

Porter is a trash talking, low life, piece of scum, who doesn't deserve a spot on this team....even if we do need his talent....we don't need his mouth and fists to ruin the chemistry in the locker room.

[theboomking]

I agree that Porter is a good athlete and player, but his character issues are far to many!!!

Need I remind you guys of the incident at a las vegas casino involving Levi Jones??? He literally attacked Jones, it was 4 on 1.

Porter is a trash talking, low life, piece of scum, who doesn't deserve a spot on this team....even if we do need his talent....we don't need his mouth and fists to ruin the chemistry in the locker room.

I'm not sure Shannahan cares.

http://www.scoresreport.com/tag/larry-johnson-legal-trouble/

ESPN.com is reporting that Chiefs’ running back Larry Johnson is at risk for facing yet another suspension after being in a physical altercation with a woman at a Kansas City nightclub. And yes, this would be Johnson’s second incident this year involving a physical altercation with a woman.

During the Chiefs’ recent bye week, Johnson was involved in a physical altercation with a woman at a Kansas City nightclub, sources told ESPN — the second such late-night incident he has found himself in this year. The incident is consistent with a pattern of off-field behavior that league sources expect will lead to a suspension for Johnson under the NFL’s personal conduct policy.

It’s unclear whether Johnson has been or will be charged in the incident.

“It’s just a matter of for how long,” one source said of a possible suspension.

Johnson has been involved in at least three other incidents during his six-year NFL career; the bye week incident is his fourth — not third, as reported last week — and second of 2008. Each incident involved one or more of three common denominators: a female accuser, alcohol and a nightclub. In the case of the past three, it’s been all of the above.

Violence against women is so much more abhorrent than beating up another NFL player, or having a big mouth. I'm pretty pissed that we signed Johnson. Why don't we just follow this up by trading for Brandon Marshall and Ben Roethlisberger.

In any case, unless Shannahan is planning on fixing the OL, fortifying the defense, and sticking with Campbell, we can assume that we'll need a few years to break in a new QB. What use is porter if we are not contenders in the next two years?

I'd say that if Porter would be a helpful mentor to Orakpo, and can help teach Haslett's and Spanos' system, then fine. Otherwise, pass.

[Renegade7]

Zebra, c'mon man, you don't really believe I think he'll get 20 sacks do you? Think about what I posted, and why.

I do better understand what you're talking about how the OLBs are used in the 3-4, but my point still stands that Porter and Orakpo would be the best overall players we'd have at the position. I already said Orakpo can't play 3-4 DE in the post you quoted me from, so I hope you get a chance to go back and re-read it all to fully understand what I said, so don't call me mistaken on that one.

I also agree that if we ask Orakpo to be a 3-4 OLB, he could eventually do it, maybe be great at it. But if Joey Porter gets signed, I feel Orakpo should be strong side, and Porter be weakside, at least until we get a better strong-side OLB to move Orakpo over to weakside like you're suggesting.

[MumboSauce]

Yes, we aren't forming a church choir, we need good football players that will work with the changes being made. Now I'm not saying Porter is this force and a total all out beast, not at this stage of his career, but he can certainly wreak some havoc, create some pressures, sacks, etc. We need bodies at LB and he's a good one. Shanahan can handle his mouth.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

Zebra, c'mon man, you don't really believe I think he'll get 20 sacks do you? Think about what I posted, and why.

Sometimes I just like throwing out as much info as possible so people can go like, "ooohhh...I see that." And it's not specifically directed at the guy I'm responding to. But yeah

I also agree that if we ask Orakpo to be a 3-4 OLB, he could eventually do it, maybe be great at it. But if Joey Porter gets signed, I feel Orakpo should be strong side, and Porter be weakside, at least until we get a better strong-side OLB to move Orakpo over to weakside like you're suggesting.

Ok, we've got differing views of how talented Orakpo and Porter are then. I view Porter as being a pretty good pass rusher right now, but starting to get bad against the run. So he's situational, and I don't want to hurt Orakpo's development as a player to bring in someone situationally.

And I view Orakpo as elite talent that not can be, but will be great at 3-4 weakside OLB. I also think Orakpo, now that he's got a season under his belt, and playing something that fits him more naturally than what he did last season, will be a better pass rusher than Porter.

Bringing in Porter to pass rush situationally from the strong side could work, but that's pretty much what Andre Carter can do. Porter's better at it then Carter.

I don't think Porter should be an every down player.

[mel25]

i don't not want him here, if that makes any sense.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

i don't not want him here, if that makes any sense.

It does, just means you're indifferent.

[mel25]

It does, just means you're indifferent.

thank you sir, that was a bit more eloquent.

[CapitalDefense]

Smart crowd, 75% said yes!!!