NoCalMike Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I know this thread won't be popular, but what really is the best thing for us in 2010? I find it hard to believe that a new head coach and a new starting QB in 2010 is going to make us an instant playoff contender, and it seems like the majority on this board are asking for that in 2010. Even if say the Skins signed a veteren QB as a stop-gap measure, like a Jeff Garcia type player, that is only going to take us so far, especially with a new coach under a brand new system in which the entire team is going to have to learn all over again like we have seen almost every season for the last ten years. I can't honestly sit here and try to say Zorn and/or Campbell are the answer to anything, but I can see Campbell returning next year as the starter due to there really being no better option even if a QB is drafted by us in 2010. I am not looking to get a rookie QB shell-shocked trying to play behind this O-line. If anything I think with a top pick that we are headed for, we might wanna trade down to get quanity as we need depth and a lot more of it on the offensive line. Call me crazy but I see our offense getting better at moving the ball. With all the injuries happening this season, it is forcing our young draft picks into the game when maybe the coaches were hesitant to put them in so many packages before. We are seeing guys like Thomas & Davis show that when they get the ball in their hands they can elude defenders and make big plays. We have seen guys like Betts/Cartwright/Aldridge/Mason step up and show that while Portis in his prime was a beast, these days he probably isn't worth all the money he makes anymore. These guys are getting just as much production as Portis did behind the current O-line. When Zorn was hired and brought a modified WCO to this organization most experts said right off the bat that it takes three years in the system to get the maximum production out of this offense. I am doubting Year three of this coaching staff is going to happen, and if everyone is willing for this organization to take another step back in 2010(in order to eventually get good again) then I am all for it, but honestly I don't see a much better option for 2010 itself, than to try and see this thing through. (begin throwing rotton tomatoes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm not sure if I could even watch. That might force me to give up on football for a while. ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 well we know that starting campbell is pretty much conceding on offense. history shows that when campbell starts, this offense is a joke. if we have a new coach and were gonna struggle, id much rather struggle with a rookie or with brennan. im just fed up with watching campbell. not only does he lose, hes just no fun to watch. if im gonna watch a bad team, i wanna have some "wow" moments. no sense in sticking with him if were going to be rebuilding. new oline, new QB, new coach, new scheme. we gain absolute 0 by sticking with campbell for year 800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 No throwing tomatoes here. Zorn is already gone because Snyder and Vinny cut his balls off. Campbell is gone too. If he isn't traded or released, he will make enough noise so that they do it. They tried to replace him twice that we know of last off season. I just don't see any of it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzhi Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Question should be is Zorn / JC the future? If yes, sign them to a long term contract and build around their talent. If no, what's the point of keeping them around for another year. The faster we rebuild the sooner we get back to SB contender status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I wouldn't mind at all. I don't think people are asking themselves the right question. Do you really want to bring in another new regime? 'Cause it seems like we've had the same players forever with different head coaches/GM's. I put more blame on the old vets on the team that just show up to get a paycheck than I do Zorn or his staff. Could they be better? Hell yeah. But jeeze we all talk about patience all the time, yet we aren't ready to give Zorn over 2 years? I've said it before, Zorn was't given the keys to a Superbowl contender or even a playoff team. We all thought he was, but looking back I don't think so. And I can promise you Zorn wants him a new QB, too. He knows JC ain't the guy for the WCO, but he didn't have the choice when he signed on. You think Zorn really wanted to keep JC this past offseason and Vinny Cerrato was just doing his own thing trying to bring in new quarterbacks? I would imagine Zorn signed off on that idea instantly. Give 'em time, relax. We're the same fanbase that cries about how our FO always goes for the big splash, and yet we're trying to run off a guy to bring in a big splash. Just blows my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I could see Campbell, but what would be the point in retaining Zorn? He doesn't do anything now.. he's just a cog in a convoluted wheel. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I could see Campbell, but what would be the point in retaining Zorn? He doesn't do anything now.. he's just a cog in a convoluted wheel.~Bang He makes a killer egg salad sandwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drastik Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Question should be is Zorn / JC the future? If yes, sign them to a long term contract and build around their talent. If no, what's the point of keeping them around for another year. The faster we rebuild the sooner we get back to SB contender status. We must rebuild slowly then, because we havnt been legit SB contenders in almost 20 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I am doubting Year three of this coaching staff is going to happen, and if everyone is willing for this organization to take another step back in 2010(in order to eventually get good again) then I am all for it, but honestly I don't see a much better option for 2010 itself, than to try and see this thing through. Campbell year 3 makes sense. Zorn year 3 would have made sense prior to him being stripped of the playcalling duties, but he's been walking the green mile since then. Imo their is no wiggle room on Zorn, he's done. Also the up-tick in the performance of the offense and especially Davis, Kelly and Devin11 are particularly damning evidence that Zorn wasn't doing a good job as the playcaller/defacto OC. Also, Zorn imo hasn't exactly been getting the job managing the games either. Keep the WCO maybe? Keep Campbell maybe? Keep Zorn, nope can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lydon Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 He makes a killer egg salad sandwich. He used to. Now Sherm Lewis makes the Egg salad and DS let's Zorn spread it on the bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzhi Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 We must rebuild slowly then, because we havnt been legit SB contenders in almost 20 years... That's fine. Notice, I said "If yes, sign them to long term..." Personally, I don't believe Zorn or JC are long term answers. Zorn hasn't show me anything in 2 years. JC has shown little in 5 years. It's time to move on and rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I could see Campbell....Do you really want to get into 50 more "Well, Jason's had 6 offenses in 6 years, blah, blah, blah" discussions with his delusional supporters after he starts sucking up again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I wouldn't mind if Cambell/Zorn are back next year. I just want Vinny gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 To me, it makes no sense. Zorn should go and I'd rather rebuild under another coach with a young QB to take his lumps in a lost season. I guess IF it happened, you just need to tune in, hope the OL and WRs are improved, and hope for the best. I mean, the Redskins are the Redskins...I can't NOT watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I didnt think Zorn would make it this far, so its possible..i wouldnt be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Not worried about who will be the coach or the QB. I want change at the top. First let's get a new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunClintonRun26 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 To answer your original question, if we were to endure year 3 of Coach Zorn/Campbell, then we should start right now in tempering our expectations and begin to be realistic about what the outcomes could/probably will be. Jason (although he is certainly improving) just doesn't have IT to win. On a team that rarely takes chances, he misses the few that we do take. He doesn't have the confidence in himself or the ability to win a game by himself. Coach Zorn doesn't seem to have IT either. His in-game management and decision making is extremely questionable. His clock management is awful. His half-time adjustments are non existent. And considering the fact that he no longer calls play, he cannot even exude confidence or get the team ready to play on Sundays. Both are nice guys . . . but with both of them back next year, we will surely have a mediocre season at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 That would be an absolute nightmare, I don't even want to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikie Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 without even getting into the football aspect of it, I think you could preclude this from happening because it would be a bad business decision... snyder's stick is bare right now and he knows the fans need another carrot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drastik Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Zorn isn't a great head coach.. He'd be an awesome position coach though. And Jason Campbell just isn't good enough to win on this team. But then again, I don't think any QB is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 As stated above, Vinny staying scares me way more than Zorn and Campbell staying. I would happily take (your new fav GM Candidate)/Zorn/Campbell over Vinny/Shannahan/Bradford next year. At least we'd have a future for this franchise except more mediocre present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 ...I am doubting Year three of this coaching staff is going to happen, and if everyone is willing for this organization to take another step back in 2010(in order to eventually get good again) then I am all for it, but honestly I don't see a much better option for 2010 itself, than to try and see this thing through... I would be willing to take a step back in 2010 if, in doing so, we were set on course to become an elite team. But, none of the options being talked about interest me. I'm not hog wild about Jim Zorn, but his coaching has come on strong after a slow start this season. I thought the game plan that he and Chris Meidt put together for the Eagles was outstanding. His critical strategic calls this season have all backfired, but they were the right calls and they showed guts, in my opinion. The risks he took were well-calculated, and when he went conservative, he did it at the right times. The second-guessing on his playcalling was crapola. Dan and Vinny hung Sherm Lewis around his neck along with the O-line albatross. Given what he had to work with, he hasn't done badly. Jason has grade C talent. We shouldn't replace him until we have someone who can do a better job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythMan Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Yup, I say keep Zorn and keep Campbell around until we can draft a new QB, probably in 2011 since we need this years pick to be a LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Campbelll has the worst losing percentage of any Redskins QB in history with the same or more starts. Any option is better. Jim Zorn has less than zero chance of returning. Only way there is another Zorn/Campbell year is in the UFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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