The Full Monty Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Working on the possibility that Cerrato may indeed be fired after this season, but instead of bringing in a total outsider like De Costa or snagging Floyd Reese from the Pats, etc., and the coaching re-treads (Holmgren, Shanny) don't bite... Dan Snyder surprises instead promotes Director of Player Personnel and Director of College Scouting Scott Campbell (a former Marty hire) or current Pro Personnel Director Morocco Brown (Vinny hire) to be the end-all football authority, at least on paper. Do you feel the same excitement? Or does that only come with a complete outsider? I for one have been impressed with Scott Campbell's work when he was Pro Player Director (Springs, Griffin, Washington, Moss) and now that he is College Scouting Director (Golston, Blades, Doughty, Horton...I'm giving him credit for these because I don't think Vinny and Dan let anyone else do the high round draft picks as was shown in their horrific (so far ) 2008 3 2nd rounders and Mr. Softie Chad Rinehart in the 3rd. Morocco Brown's hiring drew rave reviews at the time, although I still don't know too much about him. He's young, a hard worker, with ties to the organization from years back. I think it's an interesting question because all the GM talk usually centers on outsiders, but if it were one of these two men, how would you feel about it? For some reason I can imagine Snyder doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgf21 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'd much rather DeCosta or a total outsider come in so that things are fresh and start with a clean slate. After the terrible mess that Vinny has created this season we need a new start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't mind a first time HC, but I would rather have an experienced GM with relationships through out the league. Let him pick the HC. The next GM should be someone who will not allow Snyder to have final say. Someone who will see things as they truly are, and not spin the facts to make themselves look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Working on the possibility that Cerrato may indeed be fired after this season, but instead of bringing in a total outsider like De Costa or snagging Floyd Reese from the Pats, etc., and the coaching re-treads (Holmgren, Shanny) don't bite...Dan Snyder surprises instead promotes Director of Player Personnel and Director of College Scouting Scott Campbell (a former Marty hire) or current Pro Personnel Director Morocco Brown (Vinny hire) to be the end-all football authority, at least on paper. . Thats what Vinny is on paper now why would someone else come in and do the same thing? It needs toi be actual GM that makes decisions and has a check to do all the signings and such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Scott Campbell has a bright future, one of the few quality talent evaluators working in our front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 Didn't mean anything sinister when I wrote "at least on paper". Poor wording. Only that for you to be behind the new GM, he cannot be a current member of the front office, is that it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I vote Morocco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 start all over. Hire from the outside. I'm done with anyone associated with us now. I just wish dan dan was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squatch66 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't mind a first time HC, but I would rather have an experienced GM with relationships through out the league. Let him pick the HC. The next GM should be someone who will not allow Snyder to have final say. Someone who will see things as they truly are, and not spin the facts to make themselves look good. tom dimitroff in atlanta was a first time gm and i think that his short body of work speaks for itself. just saying. i would love it if campbell or brown became our gm as long as it is not another charade like the vinny saga is proving to be. i think that these guys know how to build a football team and will emphasize the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 that's what I'm afraid of squatch. That any in house hire will be an empty suit and Danny will still be calling the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'd prefer an outside guy, especially if his staff is not chosen for him before he is hired a la Zorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'd prefer an outside guy, especially if his staff is not chosen for him before he is hired a la Zorn. I agree. I want an outsider who comes in and gets to do all the hiring himself. I don't understand what makes people so sure that Scott Campbell or Morocco Brown are so great. How can you tell? As far as I'm concerned they are a part of the poor culture that has permeated through that front office for 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'd prefer an outside guy, especially if his staff is not chosen for him before he is hired a la Zorn. Agreed, though The Full Monty poses a good question. I've batted around the same idea myself. But I'd rather have someone who has some stature that we'll know will be able to stand up against Dan's impetuousness and will have the balls to say "No". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 The problem with them will be the perception that they are nothing but Snyder enablers if they took over for Vinny. I'd rather go outside this current organization and start fresh and hope that the outsider only agreed to come if Danny stays out of football ops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I like Scott Campbell's work, I would be completely satisfied with him as a GM. I'd love to have him control our personnel. I'd match him up with a guy like Gruden or Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Several GM's past and present got their jobs in a similar fashion. It's plausible,arguably a good thing,but I'm not sure if it would happen. If,if the Redskins get a G.M.,my guess it's someone from the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskinizzle Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 How about hiring John Cooke (Jack's son) as VP, and then he hires a GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 How about hiring John Cooke (Jack's son) as VP, and then he hires a GM After the latest interview with John Cooke,it's probably safe to say that that scenario is the next best thing to impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 If the complaint is the Redskins have not hired an experienced GM in 10 years and Snyder hears that criticism, there is little likelihood he is going to hire Campbell or Brown who have no experience running their own operations as the 'face of the franchise'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'd rather get a GM from a winning and respected FO, not someone who's been wading in the filth that is our FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I hope that Snyder announces Vinny has been fired...I so want to believe Vinny is on his way out...but there is a part of me that just won't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 The problem with them will be the perception that they are nothing but Snyder enablers if they took over for Vinny.I'd rather go outside this current organization and start fresh and hope that the outsider only agreed to come if Danny stays out of football ops. This is the problem (and fear) that I have with these guys. As much of a fan of Scott Campbell as I am, I can't help but think that he's a part of this mess and allows it to exist, so I can't think he'd be much different as a GM. I'd like a GM who's willing to step up to Snyder and say "Thats a dumb move and I'm not making it, no go play somewhere I'm busy". I just don't see it in many people on our coaching staff or front office. But maybe Blache and Gray are that way, and so maybe I can be surprised by Campbell and/or Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 If the complaint is the Redskins have not hired an experienced GM in 10 years and Snyder hears that criticism, there is little likelihood he is going to hire Campbell or Brown who have no experience running their own operations as the 'face of the franchise'. Who's to say that he hears the criticism about wanting an "experienced" GM? I'd think that he'd try to do something like hire somebody and give them the title of GM, but the same power as Vinny right now, ala keeping the same structure as we have in place, but just with the 'title' of a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'd rather get a GM from a winning and respected FO, not someone who's been wading in the filth that is our FO. Honestly, if we were to go this route, I'd be looking at the Ravens front office. It seems that they're good at drafting good players. Maybe somebody like Eric DeCosta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Honestly, if we were to go this route, I'd be looking at the Ravens front office. It seems that they're good at drafting good players. Maybe somebody like Eric DeCosta. DeCosta seems to be the name on the lips of the fans here but not sure if he would even be considered knowing Dannyboy's record with GM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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