EvoSkins Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Just wondering. Does his bonus money get accelerated to next year as dead money? What happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soljaofjesus Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Doesn't matter with an uncapped year next year lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Doesn't matter with an uncapped year next year lol what about for this year though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedExFielder Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 I think we're off the hook if he retires, correct me if I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 I think we're off the hook if he retires, correct me if I'm wrong He won't retire until after the season ends ($$$). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedExFielder Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 He won't retire until after the season ends ($$$). Ahhh, that would make sense, but in that case, it most likely won't count against the cap though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 They would probably come up with a retirement settlement, like Schottenheimer did with Deion. He'll essentially "forfeit" a portion of his signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Why haven't we IR'd him? He keeps talking about things in terms of "the next couple of months". Its late October, are we saving him for the playoffs? IR him and open up another roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Why haven't we IR'd him? He keeps talking about things in terms of "the next couple of months". Its late October, are we saving him for the playoffs? IR him and open up another roster spot. Well, first off, this statement didn't come until today. We aren't going to sign anyone this close to a game. I guess it would depend how long the team is willing to wait and how much they really need that roster spot for another position. I have a feeling there will be a lot of talking done during the bye about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Why haven't we IR'd him? He keeps talking about things in terms of "the next couple of months". Its late October, are we saving him for the playoffs? IR him and open up another roster spot. Probably because they don't have a move to make right now. No need to toss a guy onto the active roster who won't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 This only counts if he retires at the end of the season and if there is a CBA with the same rules regarding this situation in 2010. In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rk3025 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Salary cap including pro rated bonuses is $4,853,000 for next year if there is a cap? Just wondering.Does his bonus money get accelerated to next year as dead money? What happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Probably because they don't have a move to make right now. No need to toss a guy onto the active roster who won't play. **** it, lets just play with 52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaSkin Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 No ramifications this year as we'll just IR him 'till the end of the year. If there's a cap next year and we release him, he'll cost over $14 million against the cap. Of course that can be split in half over 2010 & 2011 but it's still a very big hit. Add in another $6 million for Randy Thomas and things aren't looking good for us if there's a cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokoMike Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 He'll get an injury settlement, won't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Why haven't we IR'd him? He keeps talking about things in terms of "the next couple of months". Its late October, are we saving him for the playoffs? IR him and open up another roster spot. Thank you. I was beginning to feel like I was the only one with this question. It's been very obvious that he had no plans to play again this season since a couple days after his stinger. It's not like we couldn't have used that roster space for a freaking o-lineman. It does seem like his delay in retirment has to do with cap space. Although a lot of guys do retire publicly without filing the papers (cough-Favre-cough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 This only counts if he retires at the end of the season and if there is a CBA with the same rules regarding this situation in 2010. I think if they do get a salary cap with a new CBA stuff like that will be gotten rid of. Retirements, career ending injuries, and deaths should all get stricken from the cap. More money to pay new guys but the retired players would only lose incentive pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rk3025 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Randy had a cap cost of $5,606,000 next year. No ramifications this year as we'll just IR him 'till the end of the year. If there's a cap next year and we release him, he'll cost over $14 million against the cap. Of course that can be split in half over 2010 & 2011 but it's still a very big hit. Add in another $6 million for Randy Thomas and things aren't looking good for us if there's a cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 I think if they do get a salary cap with a new CBA stuff like that will be gotten rid of. Retirements, career ending injuries, and deaths should all get stricken from the cap. More money to pay new guys but the retired players would only lose incentive pay. I got to disagree. That's part of the risk you run in signing players especially those with big bonuses. No one forced us to sign him, and really his cap hit is are problem because we've kept restructuring his deal........why give teams a break for not managing their cap efficently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaSkin Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Randy had a cap cost of $5,606,000 next year. Yes, but releasing him, which seems likely as he can't stay on the field, would result in a cap hit of $6.1 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Yes, but releasing him, which seems likely as he can't stay on the field, would result in a cap hit of $6.1 million. The above is correct - for Thomas if we release him or he retires in the next league year the cap hit would be $6.1M. For Samuels the release fee next year would be $14.3M. If he decided to retire right now we would be on the hook for a fee of $19.3M and we would have (I think) 6 working days to resturcture other contracts or release players to create that amount of cap room. Given our cap position (we had $1.7M of cap room before we signed Levi Jones) creating that much space this year is a practical impossibility and so there is zero chance Samuels announces his retirment this year even if he has decided to do so and informed the team. We would just IR him. Its looking likely but by no means certain that next year may well be uncapped - and if Samuels and Thomas are gone which is a very good bet we had better hope thats the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 All this talk of salary cap ramifications concerning a player who has not even officially retired, seems a bit insensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 "All this talk of salary cap ramifications concerning a player who has not even officially retired, seems a bit insensitive.." What does sensitivity have to do with Mondays game ? "Well, first off, this statement didn't come until today. We aren't going to sign anyone this close to a game." "Probably because they don't have a move to make right now. No need to toss a guy onto the active roster who won't play." We have guys every week who are ready to play who are left off the active list due to numbers.Maybe Marko Mitchell could be ready.... I don't understand him NOT having a chance to do NOTHING like the others. We also have a practice squad...specifically for developing talent AND having guys ready to JUMP in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 **** it, lets just play with 52. My team is on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Originally Posted by alleycatWhat does sensitivity have to do with Mondays game ? What does Monday's game have to do with salary cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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