The Full Monty Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Count me in the camp that wants a strong GM to go along with any new head coach. I know that's a real improbability. Nonetheless, if we actually had a real GM in place, I would like to offer up Brian Schottenheimer, offensive coordinator of the New York Jets. First, he's young, started off as a QB Coach here under his dad, followed Marty to San Diego, but was hired by Mangini to be the OC in New York. The Jets offense hasn't exactly been lights out, but they have really improved this year. Schottenheimer has been responsible for tutoring Mark Sanchez and let's remember that Sanchez's best wideout is Jerricho Cotchery...um...yeah... Leon Washington emerged under Schottenheimer's tenure as OC as well, starting his career as a return specialist. Anyways, I think Brian Schottenheimer is doing a tremendous job running the Jets offense and developing their young players, especially Sanchez. The Jets are a very young team (Sanchez, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Washington, etc.) and I believe he would do a good job in a rebuilding situation. (Yes, we are gonna have to rebuild next year). Schottenheimer is young, hungry, and is having success on his own talent and not just riding his father's coattails. He even interviewed for the Jets job last year before Rex Ryan was hired. And if Rex Ryan had any problem with the job Schottenheimer had done in 2008 (*cough*Favre sucks), Ryan wouldn't have retained him. Ryan clearly respects Schottenheimer's abilities. And unlike Zorn, he would be arriving here actually having CALLED an NFL game. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santana_4_prez Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I bet his dad would have some advice to him...and it would be something like, "Stay the **** away from Wasington!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Nah, i want to go with a proven coach. We need a coach with a big set of B**** to tell Dan and Vin to stay the F out of the way and let me do my job!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kappaluvacee Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I bet his dad would have some advice to him...and it would be something like, "Stay the **** away from Wasington!!!" While agree with your statement, I'm not entirely sold on the idea that Marty himself wouldn't come back to Washington. I listen to Marty every day on Sirius. When it comes to Dan Snyder he always takes the high road. Not because it's the class thing to do. He expounds on the fact that no owner in the league wants their team to be more successful than Dan Snyder. He even said he's had conversations with dan where Dan has flat out told him that "He made a mistake in letting him go." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 He also played under SPurrier at Florida... the point is... he knows offense... given the right personnel... things could be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 While agree with your statement, I'm not entirely sold on the idea that Marty himself wouldn't come back to Washington. I listen to Marty every day on Sirius. When it comes to Dan Snyder he always takes the high road. Not because it's the class thing to do. He expounds on the fact that no owner in the league wants their team to be more successful than Dan Snyder. He even said he's had conversations with dan where Dan has flat out told him that "He made a mistake in letting him go." Thanks for posting ... I hadn't heard that. You know, I think the city would be very excited if Dan rehired Marty. The overwhelming consensus among fans is that was a huge mistake in letting him go by Snyder (his worst mistake, in my opinion, because he fixed a problem he didn't have). Seriously doubt it would happen ... but interesting to think about. How about a Marty (GM) / Cowher combo in DC. One can dream ... eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 Hm, never considered Marty coming back here, as it's an intriguing thought. But ultimately I think Brian has more upside and would be able to put in the long hours and energy it will take to rebuild this team from scratch, provided of course we have a real GM, that goes without saying. People may differ with my preference for a younger coach, but guys like Marty or Holmgren are just way too old to rebuild and I think that may color their thinking when it comes to making long-term strategic personnel decisions. Perhaps Marty would come in as a GM and Brian as the coach. One big Schottenheimerfest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 If, and I stress the "if" as I don't see a change mid-season, Marty would be the ideal guy to come in and steady the ship being there's no-one on staff without going down the Zorn route. As for his boy, I'd rather go with a proven HC that knows how to build a team from the bottom up, as I have a feeling that after a decade and more of failure, Danny Boy will finally be willing to take a step back and hand over similar control to what Gibbs had and let this franchise be built the way it should be built going forward. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 Aright, so right at this moment I'm watching the Jets/Titans game online right now (God bless the NFL Game Pass HD for overseas guys like me) and I'm loving what Lil' Schottenheimer does against the Titans D. The Titans are trying to do a lot of shifting and coverage-disguising to screw around with Sanchez using weird blitz looks but he makes his reads and makes great adjustments along with his o-line and running backs. I'm sure you're aware of the results. I really think that by year's end Lil Schotty will be on the hot list of coaching candidates, with good reason. After a Titans turnover in the 1st Quarter, on the ensuing Jets possession, Greg Gumbell comments Let's see if Brian Schottenheimer gets hungry for a quick score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I would love to have seen what Marty could have done in 2002 with a better QB. The team was starting to buy into his game and we didn't even have an offense. We went 8-8 with Tony Banks at QB and Guys like Rod Gardner and Westbrook at WR. Best of all Marty had the balls to fire Vinny and would probably do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinNutt Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Hiring a smart, young, up and coming coordinator for head coach, or re-hiring a proven coach who probably shouldn't have been let go in the first place. Sounds like 2 smart moves for this organization. Which of course means it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I still contend that until Vinny is gone and Snyder concedes all decision making to someone else we'll be stuck on this merry-go-round for decades. Snyder has to take that first step though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-H8-DALLAS Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Nah, i want to go with a proven coach. We need a coach with a big set of B**** to tell Dan and Vin to stay the F out of the way and let me do my job!!! 1. A proven coach has little left to prove. They already have there ring, now they want the BIG check to retire on. 2. A proven coach is more likely to be aged, therfore cannot offer any long term position (we need that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue collar Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Pete Carmichael: Saints O-Cordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan81 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 one schottenheimer is enough for this franchise - I say no to Brian Schottenheimer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb01 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 one schottenheimer is enough for this franchise - i say no to brian schottenheimer! + 1000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 No single move in a vacuum is a "silver bullet" panacea ... Skins should examine entire situation then act porgressively and logically. First they hire a HC ... then that HC selects a staff ... then together the new HC and his new staff select a new QB. And so on and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-H8-DALLAS Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Now, I dont want to start a new thread topic on another coaching speculation? I am sorry if this seems like a hijacked thread. It has been publically said(NFL:Notebook) that when Mike Shanahan come back to coaching in 2010, he wants to coach with his son Kyle(OC Texans). Nobody is really sure if Kyle would work for his father agian, seeing how he wants a Head Coaching job in the next few years. What are some thoughts on Mike Shanahan HC, with a Kyle Shanahan OC with the idea that kyle would take over HC in a few years?(He would be around Tomlins age when he took over the steelers) Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I dont want anything to do with anyone on the Jets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I dont want anything to do with anyone on the Jets.. Why? Because they are building a team from the lines out? Because they hired a disciplinarian coach that has created a team first attitude? Because they are 3-0 with a rookie QB? Because they have a real GM? Please tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 And unlike Zorn, he would be arriving here actually having CALLED an NFL game.Thoughts? Well if Zorn gets fired then i think we shold bring in one the WCO guru's Shanahan or Holmgren in that order then Gruden although his WCO is true dink and dunk. I think Brian would have been a good choice for assistant HC/OC last year or the year before. If Zorn makes it through the season he's got to bring in more WCO help i would go after a coach from the WCO system like Brian but bring them in in the capacity of 'passing game coordinator/assistant HC/ or offensive consultant' I would also look at the Shannahan kid in Houston, Green Bays OC/QB coach, Marty Morningwhig, Darrell Bevel etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Why? Because they are building a team from the lines out? Because they hired a disciplinarian coach that has created a team first attitude? Because they are 3-0 with a rookie QB? Because they have a real GM? Please tell me. They have won 1 SB since 1969 there no better than the Skins. They were 8-3 last year, and everyone was singin' there praise how its gonna be an all NY Superbowl, remeber a couple of years back..? Manginous? Please Jets fans over hype eveything..im willing to make a bet they dont make the playoffs this year, and the fans in NY will start hating sanchez in a year or two.Give it times its been happening for the last 20 or so years with the Jets. Also there GM drafted Gholston as a top 10 pick has 1 tackle in 2 years so far. He went after Brett Favre, Hired Mangini that enough is Horrendous. The list goes on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Good candidate. Most definitely. Better credentials than what Zorn had before he was hired. I would love to see a younger person in here. Someone with fire and someone who can relate to the players. Someone who ins't too far removed from playing the game, but has the experience to actually be a head coach. I look at Jerry Gray and see that we have that person in house, but know that will never happen because this staff will be ransacked at the end of the year. However, as you eluded to, the first and foremost step is to put a true football person in place of all the football operations. I just hope we can get that. I worry that we'll of course go for a name and not someone who has a true vision and understands today's game. I think Parcells is a decent stop gap in Miami, but for the long haul, I just don't think his type (old coach or GM retread) would have the patience to right the ship here. That is likely the only type of person Snyder would relinquish duties and control to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I listen to Marty every day on Sirius. When it comes to Dan Snyder he always takes the high road. Not because it's the class thing to do. He expounds on the fact that no owner in the league wants their team to be more successful than Dan Snyder. He even said he's had conversations with dan where Dan has flat out told him that "He made a mistake in letting him go." Interesting...and Snyder told Casserly the same thing. How about Casserly for GM and Marty for HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 Pete Carmichael: Saints O-Cordinator Hm, if I'm not mistaken doesn't Sean Payton call the plays in New Orleans? Seems like a "Sherman Smith" situation to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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