THUNDERDOME Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Postgame is talking right now about Campbell and the shotgun. I don't know who's talking but they're saying since it looks like the shotgun has worked real well for Campbell, they hope Zorn doesn't turn his head toward it since it's not a staple of the WCO. JC has looked real good in the shotgun, and it gives him a quicker chance to read the field. Hopefully Zorn implements it more and we can take advantage of it and generate some big plays. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOSKINS_08 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I think we should use shotgun more this season..I like when we go with the 5 wide formation, Jason Campbell looks comfortable in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 We are too static in what we did last year. Shotgun was reserved for blowouts. With our breakdowns in the offensive line, pass rushers had a field day charging at Jason, counting his steps sidestepping into the spot he had to pass from. It was an epic failure as our season was ruined, and Zorn never adjusted. When they stacked the box, poor Jason was right up in there, squatting ackwardly under Rabach. Time and time again. Extra tight ends, the WR's just outside the TE's. Running it up the gut. He played right into the box. He needed to spread the field and get Jason far away from the rush to give our WR's a chance to get down field and burn them proper for stacking us. It didnt happen. I am optimistic Zorn has finally realized not every single play that he has to call has to be strictly designed for THE prototypical WCO QB. Now we just need to convince him that the hurry up can be our friend as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaskinsfan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I agree that Jason should be used more in the shotgun. It helps two areas of weakness for him, the slow foot work, and slow reading of the defense. I also would like to see four wideout sets, with thomas, kelly moss, and either mitchell or ARE. I think there are a lot of weapons we can use this season to score more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I think we should use shotgun more this season..I like when we go with the 5 wide formation, Jason Campbell looks comfortable in it. agree 100%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishtw Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Whatever helps Campbell preform better. Campbell has looked a lot better as of late, and if that is due to the fact that the are using the shotgun more then I am all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkyDiamonds Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Noticed something funny after reading this thread & I had the revelation that the most recent Super Bowl Winners & Losers (the past 5 years) seemed to use the shotgun a LARGE percentage of the time. (save for SEA in 06) This may be due to a general change in football to more spread and shotgun principles but I just found that interesting Either way it seems to speak to the trend to get the QB out from under center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpath11 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It is the way to go this season and beyond. Seems like teams are running more and more often with great success (Arizona, Indy and NE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 The gun works well for JC. I also think if you go 4 wide and do the gun. Its a great situation for a HB delay with a quick RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Yeah I don't know too many nickel and dime corners that can match up with Devin Thomas or Marko Mitchell...or really any of our WR's. It gives us a big advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 We are too static in what we did last year. Shotgun was reserved for blowouts. With our breakdowns in the offensive line, pass rushers had a field day charging at Jason, counting his steps sidestepping into the spot he had to pass from. It was an epic failure as our season was ruined, and Zorn never adjusted. When they stacked the box, poor Jason was right up in there, squatting ackwardly under Rabach. Time and time again. Extra tight ends, the WR's just outside the TE's. Running it up the gut. He played right into the box. He needed to spread the field and get Jason far away from the rush to give our WR's a chance to get down field and burn them proper for stacking us. It didnt happen. I agree and hope that Zorn will change but I'm not overly optimistic yet. I'll wait and see how the season goes. The WR's are giving me more of a reason to think that the skins could actually be successful this season. Kelly is a stud and Marko will certainly help in the red zone. Imagine a formation with both of them available near the goalline! It's going to be hard NOT to score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesburgvaskinsfan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It is the way to go this season and beyond. Seems like teams are running more and more often with great success (Arizona, Indy and NE). Agree. I've noticed it to....if we have noticed it, surely our coaches have too! Hail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesburgvaskinsfan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I'd love to see more play action pass as well.....Cooley excels in that play. Hail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backpack3r Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I dunno, Zorn is pretty stubborn I hope we use shotty but Zorn sometimes isnt that smart but who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I speak for the minority who would scrap the WCO ... Skins do not have the complimentary talent and its useless to force the square peg into this hole. They should go to a no-huddle-gun-spread with urgency and use the pass to set up an occassional run. Zorn's (Holmgren's?) version of the WCO with Campbell posing as MH is too easy to defend ... and simply stated ... cannot score enough points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Whatever puts points on the board, I'm all for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hopefully Zorn implements it more and we can take advantage of it and generate some big plays.Thoughts? I don't think we'll ever become a heavy shotgun team because a good chunk of our base passing game is structured around I-Form/Singleback play-action passing. But, Jason is better from the shotgun. The stats from Football Outsiders back this up: “The one thing I’d like to see more of from Campbell and the Redskins offense is him in the shotgun. Last year, Campbell had a DVOA of 9.1 under center and a 35.6 in shotgun,” Farrar said. “And we’re not talking about a small sample size. There were over a hundred shotgun attempts. The Patriots, Chiefs and Cardinals all ran over 50 percent of their offense from the shotgun last year and it would help Campbell a lot. He seems to be able to progress in his reads better when things aren’t so much in his face and he can get a sense of what’s going on down the field.” Just thinking back to last year it seemed as if JC was in shotgun more early in the season. http://www.homermcfanboy.com/2009/09/03/finishing-up-with-the-football-outsiders/ But, i also thought Zorn saying that there are certain plays if JC wants to go into the shotgun its up to him. "I feel comfortable back there in shotgun and can see the receivers and see the field better," Campbell recalls of a meeting with Zorn that day. "(Zorn) said, 'I'm not a shotgun person. But if you're more comfortable with it, you can do it.' " http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:0o3Xtl4xLUEJ:www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/redskins/2008-10-23-sw-cover_N.htm+Zorn+and+Jason+Campbell+shotgun&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I speak for the minority who would scrap the WCO ... Skins do not have the complimentary talent and its useless to force the square peg into this hole. They should go to a no-huddle-gun-spread with urgency and use the pass to set up an occassional run. Zorn's (Holmgren's?) version of the WCO with Campbell posing as MH is too easy to defend ... and simply stated ... cannot score enough points. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn Oh no he ditant!! Yeah, I know what you mean but the skins are kind of stuck with the hand they dealt themselves. There is NO chance Zorn will change his philosophy overnight. He's not Joe Gibbs in 1981 And he doesn't have riggo and the hogs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Truth Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I agree; stick with it..JC looks more comfortable with that..helps out with some of his main defieciencies and we got weapons to use when its spread out like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 go shotgun with 5 wide and spread the field. the first time we came out in that formation it confused the jags so much they had to take a time out. zorn really needs to remember to implement this frequently in the offense this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins fan for life Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Let's go shotgun, four wr one rb in the redzone. Either spread the field and then just run it in with Campbell or Portis or throw it in. College offenses FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins55 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I just watched the eagles @ the redskins game in 07' and Cambell looked awsome running the offense. You could tell that he didn't need the shotgun when our offense was in a rythem. But when the offense struggled to move the ball it was even worse trying to pass under center. He doesn't need shotgun to be good but let's at least cater the offense around his stregnths to keep defenses guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8jacket Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 If it helps open up the offense im for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I agree that Jason should be used more in the shotgun. It helps two areas of weakness for him, the slow foot work, and slow reading of the defense. I also would like to see four wideout sets, with thomas, kelly moss, and either mitchell or ARE. I think there are a lot of weapons we can use this season to score more points. Just because JC has not made every single progression correctly doesn't mean that he is slow with his progressions. Some plays you have guys that are running routes designed to create mismatches and if they are playing zone, you have to wait for the route to develop, so you wait for it. Our OL can't hold the pocket long enough for most of those routes to develop. The fact that JC does hit his 3rd and 4th progressions is enough to shed light on the reality that it's not his fault the majority of the time! The shotgun will help JC because it will help the WR's and TE's too. When you are not jammed at the line and chipped by one guy and have another with hands on you at the beginning of the route you tend to get into the route faster. Shotgun makes the coverage softer. Unless you are a shutdown CB or true #2 CB you will not be pressing with 4+ WR sets. If you do, bingo! Pick the one that gets beat off the line and kick the extra point! They have to keep the shotgun and should use it regularly. $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Just because JC has not made every single progression correctly doesn't mean that he is slow with his progressions. Some plays you have guys that are running routes designed to create mismatches and if they are playing zone, you have to wait for the route to develop, so you wait for it. Our OL can't hold the pocket long enough for most of those routes to develop. The fact that JC does hit his 3rd and 4th progressions is enough to shed light on the reality that it's not his fault the majority of the time! The shotgun will help JC because it will help the WR's and TE's too. When you are not jammed at the line and chipped by one guy and have another with hands on you at the beginning of the route you tend to get into the route faster. Shotgun makes the coverage softer. Unless you are a shutdown CB or true #2 CB you will not be pressing with 4+ WR sets. If you do, bingo! Pick the one that gets beat off the line and kick the extra point! They have to keep the shotgun and should use it regularly. $.02 oh, and what about the mismatches with both our TE's against LB'ers? Love to see that with a spread out shotgun formation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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