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devin thomas' reverse TD against the giants

this has been mentioned a few times. here's the video:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cf0edd/Devin-Thomas-Highlight-WK-13-vs-Giants-2008

oh man, great play. i got pumped watching Campbell lead block.

edit: second video: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d80ce89a6/WK-13-Can-t-Miss-Play-Redskins-reverse

this one shows how badly the Giants bought the fake. great stuff.

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I like the deep cross to Santana.. I don't think we run it enough (probably for the fear that a LB will take his head off) but if he catches it in stride running away from the CB he's going to pick up 15-25 yards. With more teams going away from the Tampa-2 coverage we could see that play open up again.

But my all time favorite type of play is playaction with vertical passing

Play-action vertical passing from your finger tips to gods computer screen.

I think that Devin Thomas would be a beast on those crossing routes.

I can picture DT running through the secondary now and Kelly jumping over a defender to highpoint the ball like he did back at OU.

I like bootlegs. Add to that just the plain old qb roll outs. Id like to see it especially on this team with Campbell's mobility and the bigger guys we could put out there.

We rolled out JC a little, but i would like it to become a staple of the offense like with Cutler in Denver's WCO.

I'm afraid to say what play I like, lol. Fake stretch to CP, campbell then runs a reverse bootleg and hits coooley

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b06b8c/Chris-Cooley-Highlight-WK-03-vs-Cardinals-2008

lol, I'm the OC on Madden and this thread is gonna help me run a authentic Redskins offense lol :silly:

I love the RZ Fade and the FB RZ pass.

I can only recall 2 fade routes from last year the 1st was to Moss in the 1st Dallas game and the second was to Kelly in the Seattle game.

I just hope that Devin and Kelly will help JC out in this area.

I love the play-action to FB, remember Sellars from 2007? He had something like 12 cathes and 7 TDs!

I remember Sellars dropped an easy one last year i can't remember the game (Seattle?). But he had a nice TD in the second Dallas game.

Good stuff fellas, thanks.

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my favorite [are] comeback routes and posts. i think jason would be best fit for medium range to long range passes anyways. I also like tha chris cooley screen.

I agree bro, I think JC has the arm to use some of the WCO deeper passing plays.

I don't think we ran many deep comebacks last year and the few that we ran were normally off of playaction.

Here are the highlights form the second Eagles game:

JC threw 2 nice comebacks to Moss and Devin despite cold and wind conditions.

(Post route/maybe deep in?)JC hangs in the pocket (i think Kendall gets beat) and throws a nice pass to Moss and gets blasted afterwards

Then there's the staple Cooley screen pass for a key 1st down.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d8584f/WK-16-Jason-Campbell-highlights

^^ Another Post Route from the Bengals game Moss catches a (skinny post) from the slot:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d543de/Santana-Moss-Highlight-WK-15-vs-Bengals-2008

I really like the play where Santana does about a 7 yard drag route all the way across the field. I swear he scores everytime we run that play. He scored on it right before the half in week 1. Scored on it against the Browns and a few other teams. Love it!

Yeah i remeber those plays very well.

JC does a good job of getting Moss the ball instride and Moss takes it to the house:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80aa2433/Santana-Moss-Highlight-WK-01-vs-Giants-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bc988d/Jason-Campbell-Highlight-WK-07-vs-Browns-2008

i wanna see us run the td play to DT. The one that was called back last year. That really grinded my gears

I think it was a busted coverage from the Cards, but it was Singleback 3 Wide play-action bootleg Cooley in the flat and DT was running a comeback or a 9 route?

Its @ the 2:20 mark in the clip below:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b02019/NFL-GameDay-Cardinals-vs-Redskins-highlights

The clip also has other Redskins staples:

Cooley screen pass

ARE reverse pass

Moss screen pass

Play-action bootleg to Cooley

I think it was a busted coverage from the Cards, but it was Singleback 3 Wide play-action bootleg.

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Play-action vertical passing from your finger tips to gods computer screen.

I hope it makes its way to Z's ears. Back to your original point. I want to see more deep comebacks. That might be one of Moss's best routes. Im remembering seeing Moss toast Newman on comebacks and double moves/pump and goes. I think I want to see that be Moss's bread and butter. I think it would either work, or demand legit doubles despite some of Moss's shortcomings.

I think that Devin Thomas would be a beast on those crossing routes.

I can picture DT running through the secondary now and Kelly jumping over a defender to highpoint the ball like he did back at OU.

You know Ive been thinking about what DT would be good at. Seeing as how hes so big (215 lbs), I want to see him doing stuff where he can use his size and speed. Crossing routes sound great. Id like to see him catch some of those screens we run and try to get some killer YAC.

Ive seen some of Kelly's highlights at OU. His ability with the high ball would be great if he can bring that to the pro game.

We rolled out JC a little, but i would like it to become a staple of the offense like with Cutler in Denver's WCO.

Im honestly confused as to why we dont do it more. Even throwing in 1 or 2 designed QB keepers would add alot of variety for little to no risk. Once hes going, Campbell is really good at getting around defenders or in the case of a certain Dallas DB, through them. I think it might actually help out more in the RZ. Check out McNabb in 2000, he had 5 RZ rushing TDs. Im not saying Campbell has mobiltiy like McNabb did back in 2000, but it should be more effective than a Seller's swan dive.

I can only recall 2 fade routes from last year the 1st was to Moss in the 1st Dallas game and the second was to Kelly in the Seattle game.

I just hope that Devin and Kelly will help JC out in this area..

I think youre right. We dont run them alot. When they work, they are a thing of beauty. Love to see more of them and maybe finally we have the personnel for it?

I love the play-action to FB, remember Sellars from 2007? He had something like 12 cathes and 7 TDs!

I remember Sellars dropped an easy one last year i can't remember the game (Seattle?). But he had a nice TD in the second Dallas game.

Good stuff fellas, thanks.

Yeah man, it was great stuff. I think we ran that Sellers' leak maybe 3 times. Once it worked, and 2 were drops, one on Sellers, one on Campbell. I just dont see why you dont make it a staple of the RZ offense. Saunders didnt use it, and Z doesnt seem to use it too much, though Ill give Z a pass for now.

I like this thread alot. Nice one!

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this has been mentioned a few times. here's the video:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cf0edd/Devin-Thomas-Highlight-WK-13-vs-Giants-2008

oh man, great play. i got pumped watching Campbell lead block.

edit: second video: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d80ce89a6/WK-13-Can-t-Miss-Play-Redskins-reverse

this one shows how badly the Giants bought the fake. great stuff.

Thats a great example of how to set up a defense. Hadnt run a reverse for like 2-3 weeks. Line em up, show em something they forgot about.

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I want to see more deep comebacks. That might be one of Moss's best routes. Im remembering seeing Moss toast Newman on comebacks and double moves/pump and goes. I think I want to see that be Moss's bread and butter. I think it would either work, or demand legit doubles despite some of Moss's shortcomings.

Yeah, that 1st Dallas game the overall playcalling was sharp.

It had some of eveything we like:

Deep comebacks to Moss

I-Form Play-Action deep crossing/drag to Moss

I-Form Play-Action vertical to Moss on a double move

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b30f50/WK-4-Santana-Moss-highlights

Imo the protection was still spotty, but JC either hung in the pocket and took the hit or was able to avoid pressure to find Moss downfield.

*Also Moss 1st 2 passes were the short/quick square in which is another pass route that i like that i felt that we got away from.....

You know Ive been thinking about what DT would be good at. Seeing as how hes so big (215 lbs), I want to see him doing stuff where he can use his size and speed.

I think Devin would be effective in everything Moss, especially the screen pass which was Devin forte in collge.

I also think Devin could be superior to ARE in everything that he does/ including PR.

Now that Kelly is healthy i can't wait to see what he can do in the passing game.

Im honestly confused as to why we dont do it more.

I think some coaches feel that a bootleg/roll out takes away passing options because it cuts the field in half, but I think JC has the arm strength to rollout and still throw to the whole field. (like Cutler)

[Fade routes] Love to see more of them and maybe finally we have the personnel for it?

I think that Kelly is gonna be the RZ Fade route specialist.

[Play-action pass to FB] I just dont see why you dont make it a staple of the RZ offense. Saunders didnt use it, and Z doesnt seem to use it too much, though Ill give Z a pass for now.

I think the RZ playcalling is definetely an area where Zorn should improve.

I thought at times he was too conservative.

I would like to see JC go 3/4 Wide and pass more in the RZ:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cc2abf/Antwaan-Randle-El-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Seahawks-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d2527f/Jason-Campbell-Highlight-WK-14-vs-Ravens-2008

I especially think the RZ goalline playcalling was too safe at times, i don't think we ran enough plays like these last year:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b38ac1/James-Thrash-Highlight-WK-04-vs-Cowboys-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80db83ee/Antwaan-Randle-El-Highlight-WK-17-vs-49ers-2008

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uhhhhh...you just hit my hot button! I do not understand why any coach in high school, or college, or pro's, would devise a play on 3rd down in which one of the pass catches in the play would be running a route designed to fall short of the first down.

It baffles me. It's not that coaches have to work for NASA, it's just a logical question to ask themselves. "Let me see, we have SEVEN yards to go, so according to my calculations, how many yards do my receivers have to run in order to catch a pass of at least 7 yards? mmmm? Hey, you over there. Can you work this calculator for me..oh wait..here it is...SEVEN! The answer is SEVEN yards. Okay, then if I send out 4 receivers...I guess ALL of those receivers will have to travel at least SEVEN yards down field. MMMM. That means I can't call one of the plays on page 19 of the playbook in which ONE of my receivers goes 4 yards and then cuts to the sidelines."

See what I mean? This is not rocket science but then again maybe it is because Zorn and many other coaches can't seem to figure out what I have figured out, while I sit here on vacation at my computer. :doh:

Um... there's a really, really easy explanation for it. Those plays work if the defense overcommits to covering the intermediate and deep zones, which happens relatively frequently against teams that can actually challenge those zones consistently. In those cases, the guy who's supposed to tackle the receiver who stops one yard short of the first down marker is a good five yards away. There's no offensive coordinator in the league who won't include a short route on virtually every third down play, because to not do so is incredibly, nearly incomprehensibly stupid.

The difference is a quarterback who knows when to make the short throw.

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Im honestly confused as to why we dont do it more. Even throwing in 1 or 2 designed QB keepers would add alot of variety for little to no risk. Once hes going, Campbell is really good at getting around defenders or in the case of a certain Dallas DB, through them. I think it might actually help out more in the RZ. Check out McNabb in 2000, he had 5 RZ rushing TDs. Im not saying Campbell has mobiltiy like McNabb did back in 2000, but it should be more effective than a Seller's swan dive.

I couldn't agree more. In fact, I wrote a big, long OP about it a year ago. We don't make proper use of Campbell's mobility, and never have. It drives me nuts.

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I couldn't agree more. In fact, I wrote a big, long OP about it a year ago. We don't make proper use of Campbell's mobility, and never have. It drives me nuts.

Nice thread Hubbs big, long OP about it a year ago, i went back and read your thread i don't know how i could've missed that one.

I figure you like the play-action bootleg/roll out, but i'm curious if there were any other plays/playcalls from last that you liked?

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Yeah, that 1st Dallas game the overall playcalling was sharp.

It had some of eveything we like:

I think Devin would be effective in everything Moss, especially the screen pass which was Devin forte in college.

I also think Devin could be superior to ARE in everything that he does/ including PR.

Now that Kelly is healthy i can't wait to see what he can do in the passing game.

I think that Kelly is gonna be the RZ Fade route specialist.

I think some coaches feel that a bootleg/roll out takes away passing options because it cuts the field in half, but I think JC has the arm strength to rollout and still throw to the whole field. (like Cutler)

I think the RZ playcalling is definetely an area where Zorn should improve.

I thought at times he was too conservative.

That first Dallas game was so well played/coached. After the first series, we were so sharp and countered so well.

About Devin Thomas: Really? I didnt follow him in college. I didnt know he was nice on screens. Sweet, that would actually help out. Teams started to diagnose the Moss screen since we ran it without disguising it. Just by running it to Thomas it could help throw defenses off guard.

About Kelly: I dont want to invest too much in relying on Kelly, but man, if he really is healthy? I really want to see what a guy like that could do here. Ive heard him talking about becoming a RZ specialist acutally, fades in particular.

About Bootlegs: Its a legit concern, you dont want your QB throwing across the field (See Brunell: Tampa). I think it would still be a good weapon to have in the playbook.

Yeah, its no secret that the RZ is where we stall. And I dont put it on any one factor. We havent been good in the RZ since Gibbs in 05-06. Even then we werent really great, just efficient and it was all about going jumbo and hitting Sellers on the release. Could Zorn get better at his RZ playcalling? Absolutely, but its not only playcalls. Im not sure we had the dogs to excell down there. Now? Maybe, we have some varied targets but until they see the field it will most likely be the same thing no matter who is calling plays, no matter who is throwing TDs.

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