Thinking Skins Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/hang-time-lands-brooks-job/ Hang time lands Brooks job David Elfin (Contact) Michael Connor / The Washington Times Durant Brooks (right) won the punting battle over Derrick Frost because of hang time and consistency. The punting battle between rookie Durant Brooks and Derrick Frost came down to hang time and consistency. Frost never proved he could deliver either to the satisfaction of the Washington Redskins, and the three-year incumbent lost his job to Brooks as a result. "It was based on the last three years that Frost was here ... on Durant and competition this year and ... what we've seen in Durant and his continued improvement," coach Jim Zorn said Sunday. Brooks, the nation's top punter as a senior at Georgia Tech in 2007, admitted he was worried about making the cut. "It was really tough," said Brooks, who had a better net average and hang time than Frost during preseason. "It helped me to mature quickly. Offense and defense can have a good play after a bad play. It's hard to come back from a bad punt. Saturday, I was tired of waiting around [to learn the news], so I came to get a workout in and found out that way." (Click the link for the enitre article) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 This is a common argument amongst the Brooks backers/Frost haters and the blind others. Although the numbers looked to be so dead even, it seemed that the hang time on Brooks's punts was so much better that he wasn't outkicking his coverage. I guess thats not just an argument being made on Extremeskins (so maybe us fans do know a little something). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAC386 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Plus, even though their numbers were very comparable, even with Frost averaging just a little bit more, he has had 3 years in the league and that's the best he's ever played. Brooks is a rookie and he is already performing as well as Frost, so imagine him in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellyoursol Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Plus, even though their numbers were very comparable, even with Frost averaging just a little bit more, he has had 3 years in the league and that's the best he's ever played. Brooks is a rookie and he is already performing as well as Frost, so imagine him in 3 years. This is an EXCELLENT point that cannot be overlooked. And the fact that Frost's best kicks were line drives that allowed no opportunity for coverage. His best punts yielded the longest returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailRiggoRanger Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Plus, even though their numbers were very comparable, even with Frost averaging just a little bit more, he has had 3 years in the league and that's the best he's ever played. Brooks is a rookie and he is already performing as well as Frost, so imagine him in 3 years. That sums it up for me. It's all about the upside with Brooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 im actually excited to see him punt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Operations Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 im actually excited to see him punt.. Then this will be an exciting season for you! You'll be seeing Brooks punt a lot, I think! ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkipJackSkin Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Then this will be an exciting season for you! You'll be seeing Brooks punt a lot, I think! ........... Not funny dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The last game was sort of microcosm of Frost's last year - 3 long punts....and then he shanked one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never4get#21 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 This was a forgone conclusion when we used a draft pick to take Brooks. I too looked mentioned the hang time in other threads. Brooks also did blast a few in preseason. He's exactly what we expected of a drafted punted. He will be the punter for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 This was a forgone conclusion when we used a draft pick to take Brooks. I too looked mentioned the hang time in other threads. Brooks also did blast a few in preseason. He's exactly what we expected of a drafted punted. He will be the punter for years to come. What got me was the shank by Brooks against Jacksonville. It had me disappointed and I just hope that he doesn't do that in pressure situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 What got me was the shank by Brooks against Jacksonville. It had me disappointed and I just hope that he doesn't do that in pressure situations. Of Brooks' 3 punts against Jacksonville.... which one was the shank? (1) D.Brooks punts 35 yards to JAC 12, Center-67-E.Albright, fair catch by 11-R.Williams. (2) D.Brooks punts 37 yards to JAC 17, Center-67-E.Albright, downed by WAS-95-C.Wilson. (3) D.Brooks punts 42 yards to JAC 28, Center-67-E.Albright. 38-B.Witherspoon to JAC 31 for 3 yards (36-N.Broughton). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 Of Brooks' 3 punts against Jacksonville.... which one was the shank?(1) D.Brooks punts 35 yards to JAC 12, Center-67-E.Albright, fair catch by 11-R.Williams. (2) D.Brooks punts 37 yards to JAC 17, Center-67-E.Albright, downed by WAS-95-C.Wilson. (3) D.Brooks punts 42 yards to JAC 28, Center-67-E.Albright. 38-B.Witherspoon to JAC 31 for 3 yards (36-N.Broughton). The second one yu have listed was a shank. It bounced 11 yards before it was downed. If you ask me, that was a lucky bounce....But if you ask Brooks, I'm sure he'll say he planned it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBnotBlades Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I'm glad this article mentions the large disparity in net yardage between Frost and Brooks. What Wise was missing yesterday in his evil draft conspiracy rant was that Brooks' kicks, while a yard shorter in average, had considerably more hangtime and thus more time for our coverage team to be in position when the returner made the catch. Only looking at the gross distances is just skimming the surface of what the punter needs to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Ding ding ding. I can't believe people are arguing in favor of Frost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Majority Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Plus, even though their numbers were very comparable, even with Frost averaging just a little bit more, he has had 3 years in the league and that's the best he's ever played. Brooks is a rookie and he is already performing as well as Frost, so imagine him in 3 years. :applause: You can also add in the fact of Frost's numbers being boosted by having two (2) more punts than Brooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The second one yu have listed was a shank. It bounced 11 yards before it was downed. If you ask me, that was a lucky bounce....But if you ask Brooks, I'm sure he'll say he planned it that way. That ball was on its way inside the ten yard line before Chris Wilson's brain took a vacation and he kicked the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 That ball was on its way inside the ten yard line before Chris Wilson's brain took a vacation and he kicked the ball. Which in no way changes the fact that it was a bad kick that got a lucky bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 That ball was on its way inside the ten yard line before Chris Wilson's brain took a vacation and he kicked the ball. yeah, I noticed that too...but it was still lucky as hell...if that ball woulda been fair caught, then we could have a different punter right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinnesscrazy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 "It was based on the last three years that Frost was here ... on Durant and competition this year and ... what we've seen in Durant and his continued improvement," coach Jim Zorn said Sunday. Bravo! I seem to remember a thread where the Brooks supporters used Frost's past performance + kicks beyond the coverage team (bad hangtime) to argue in favor of Brooks. Well, looks like the coaches also looked at all that. While I do believe that this whole "competition" was purely to see if Brooks could handle being pressed, with the ultimate intention of letting Frost go, it's good to see the "reasons" that Frost was let go were for all the same reasons that the Brooks camp was arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark84 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Plus, even though their numbers were very comparable, even with Frost averaging just a little bit more, he has had 3 years in the league and that's the best he's ever played. Brooks is a rookie and he is already performing as well as Frost, so imagine him in 3 years. You are right and I think that pretty much sums up everything in this "battle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkins81 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I seem to remember Brooks being able to keep it within the 20 a little better as well, where Frost seemed to kick it through the endzone more often. I haven't checked the stats, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hate to say it, but....I'm always right....and humble/modest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hate to say it, but....I'm always right....and humble/modest Man, I was just about to say "I cant believe how humble/modest that guy is"! Its very humble/modest of you to point out how right I was to point out how humble/modest you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The second one yu have listed was a shank. It bounced 11 yards before it was downed. If you ask me, that was a lucky bounce....But if you ask Brooks, I'm sure he'll say he planned it that way. I think that is b/c Brooks was not known as a pooch punter in college, and that's the type they had him do in the game. He has been working on it a lot in practice, though, I believe. He did them pretty good, except the one you mentioned, but it worked out. He'll get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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