Redskins Draft: Reality Part II

[bulldog]

The Redskins had 10 picks in the draft. Of that number 6 have a realistic chance of making the final roster and another 1-2 have a chance to make the practice squad.

Some of the fans here look at that as a failure, mainly because no immediate Jerry Rice or Darrell Green has emerged from the 2008 class.

Well, you won't usually get that immediate impact from a draft where you move back and accumulate picks in later rounds, building depth but also sacrificing SOME time as you are passing on a player or two that might be ready earlier to play in the NFL.

The problem with the 2008 draft class is not who was taken or how many picks make the roster, but rather that folks here were looking for fourth and sixth round picks to make up for YEARS of a LACK of draft choices and depth at critical positions.

Having 4 or 5 picks make your club and then have 2-3 go on to be major contributors, even pro bowlers down the road, is considered a GOOD draft.

To expect ONE draft class without a #1 pick to come in and fill ALL the holes right off the bat is misguided.

Don't blame Cerrato for the 2008 draft.

Blame Snyder, Cerrato, Gibbs, Willams and the TEAM of organizational actors that went into the offseasons of years past and determined it was OK to trade multiple future picks for veterans who largely failed to deliver on their promises or contracts

[skinfan2k]

If they can replicate this for the next few years and this draft was the start of the building blocks for the future, I can understand and I am willing to wait.

[Soup]

Does anyone know how many draft picks the skins have in 2009

I know they gave a pick for Taylor and another to the jets for Pete are there any others?

[bulldog]

conditional #7 for Erasmus James.

[SkinsFanAnt]

Good post. What we are seeing is more knee jerk reactions from poor pre-season performances of people who don't know how football works.

[KDawg]

Out of mild curiosity, which six do you think have a good shot at making the roster?

I count seven. Possibly eight. Maybe even nine depending on what the front office wants to do.

[Thinking Skins]

bulldog, did we really need ANOTHER thread about this?

We've already got the threads by McD5 and Ji asking opinions and criticizing the draft...then there's the one which has been bumped about why we shouldn't have drafted Kelly and saying that Vinny should be fired for this reason...

I have a feeling that a lot of opinions are going to be repeated,

[GoodOnPaper]

Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Rinehart, Moore, all make the team.

Not a bad bunch for 1 class. Not bad at all; but they'll take time to develop.

Horton is on the bubble, and he could be a solid backup in this league. I don't think Tryon will make it more than a year if he doesn't progress in the next offseason. Jackson is definitely practice squad material. But not a bad bunch.

[mi6]

The sad fact of the matter is that ever since Dan "Mr. Know-it All" Synder took over the reigns of the Skin ... we have been mostly in a downward spiral.

There has been no consistency in coaching, or our philosophy in winning! Cerrato, Gibbs, Dan -- made stupid trades, and that has resulted in the Skins drafting the fewest players in the past 7 odd years.

We have not done a good job of evaluating talent, and have given up way too much for mediocre talent. Want proof...

1/ Jason Campbell - gave up 3 picks for this subpar QB, 2 were 1st rounders

2/ Carlos Rogers - gave up a pick to draft him as well

Then we draft players that have known injury problems ... Rocky McIntosh

What was the point of trading or not signing...

1/ Champ Bailey

2/ Antonio Pierce

... The list is big, but you get the picture!

It's really hurts as a Skins fan to see a ONCE storied franchise that was competitive even with average talent to the laughing stock we have become! We have now become what Indy used to be - a joke, and a team with little pride to carry on the rich tradition of playing with pride, and WINNING!!!

[skinfan2k]

If we never signed David Patten, the WR solution would have been solved. We were looking at Plax too that offseason. Man, Plax and Moss would have been great for Brunell and JC

[CRobi21]

Good post. What we are seeing is more knee jerk reactions from poor pre-season performances of people who don't know how football works.

:applause::applause::applause:

[KDawg]

The sad fact of the matter is that ever since Dan "Mr. Know-it All" Synder took over the reigns of the Skin ... we have been mostly in a downward spiral.

There has been no consistency in coaching, or our philosophy in winning! Cerrato, Gibbs, Dan -- made stupid trades, and that has resulted in the Skins drafting the fewest players in the past 7 odd years.

We have not done a good job of evaluating talent, and have given up way too much for mediocre talent. Want proof...

1/ Jason Campbell - gave up 3 picks for this subpar QB, 2 were 1st rounders

2/ Carlos Rogers - gave up a pick to draft him as well

Then we draft players that have known injury problems ... Rocky McIntosh

What was the point of trading or not signing...

1/ Champ Bailey

2/ Antonio Pierce

... The list is big, but you get the picture!

It's really hurts as a Skins fan to see a ONCE storied franchise that was competitive even with average talent to the laughing stock we have become! We have now become what Indy used to be - a joke, and a team with little pride to carry on the rich tradition of playing with pride, and WINNING!!!

Champ was gone anyways. Pierce is a headcase.

I take it you're of the opinion that a player's attitude doesn't matter as long as they can play ball?

[The Full Monty]

Blame Snyder, Cerrato, Gibbs, Willams and the TEAM of organizational actors that went into the offseasons of years past and determined it was OK to trade multiple future picks for veterans who largely failed to deliver on their promises or contracts

Agree totally.

Neglected the trenches for years.

The 3rd and 4th pick for Brandon Lloyd back in 2006 could've been 2 linemen ready to start now.

The 3rd round pick for T.J. Duckett could've been another starter in the trenches.

Zorn inherited their mistakes and we can't call 2008 a bad draft until we've had a few years to assess it in context.

[McD5]

The sad fact of the matter is that ever since Dan "Mr. Know-it All" Synder took over the reigns of the Skin ... we have been mostly in a downward spiral.

There has been no consistency in coaching, or our philosophy in winning! Cerrato, Gibbs, Dan -- made stupid trades, and that has resulted in the Skins drafting the fewest players in the past 7 odd years.

We have not done a good job of evaluating talent, and have given up way too much for mediocre talent. Want proof...

1/ Jason Campbell - gave up 3 picks for this subpar QB, 2 were 1st rounders

2/ Carlos Rogers - gave up a pick to draft him as well

Then we draft players that have known injury problems ... Rocky McIntosh

What was the point of trading or not signing...

1/ Champ Bailey

2/ Antonio Pierce

... The list is big, but you get the picture!

It's really hurts as a Skins fan to see a ONCE storied franchise that was competitive even with average talent to the laughing stock we have become! We have now become what Indy used to be - a joke, and a team with little pride to carry on the rich tradition of playing with pride, and WINNING!!!

We need a GM.....desperately. And not Cerrato. It makes you wonder if anyone will ever learn up there. :2cents:

[The Sisko]

The problem with the 2008 draft class is not who was taken or how many picks make the roster, but rather that folks here were looking for fourth and sixth round picks to make up for YEARS of a LACK of draft choices and depth at critical positions.

Having 4 or 5 picks make your club and then have 2-3 go on to be major contributors, even pro bowlers down the road, is considered a GOOD draft.

To expect ONE draft class without a #1 pick to come in and fill ALL the holes right off the bat is misguided.

Don't blame Cerrato for the 2008 draft.

Blame Snyder, Cerrato, Gibbs, Willams and the TEAM of organizational actors that went into the offseasons of years past and determined it was OK to trade multiple future picks for veterans who largely failed to deliver on their promises or contracts

Agree 100%. We need at least a couple of good drafts with all our picks plus some to fill the need for both starters and depth. That's just not going to happen in one draft. I think we've made a good start with this year's draft though.

We need a GM.....desperately. And not Cerrato. It makes you wonder if anyone will ever learn up there. :2cents:

WRONG! As much as I've roasted Cerrato over the years, I actually like his current role with the team. I still maintain that even from his days in S.F., he was mediocre as a player talent evaluator. However, in terms of putting together a great team of folks to evaluate talent, he's done a good job.

His ability to find and put together a competent F.O. team highlights another area where I think many of us have given him a hard time-taking the heat for D. Snyder. In retrospect, many of the moves we've made were most likely Snyder moves and not Cerrato's doing. Again, I stand by my previous contention that he was a yes man. However, now that he's on his own, I think we're seeing where he excels. At this point, I'd like to see what the guys Cerrato has picked to bring in talent can do before we have any more upheaval in the F.O.

[bulldog]

Gibbs made the decision to trade for Brunell and the fact Mark was too far past his prime to be a top flight qb in the NFL doomed Gibbs II to uneven results

[jivelikenice]

The Redskins had 10 picks in the draft. Of that number 6 have a realistic chance of making the final roster and another 1-2 have a chance to make the practice squad.

Some of the fans here look at that as a failure, mainly because no immediate Jerry Rice or Darrell Green has emerged from the 2008 class.

Well, you won't usually get that immediate impact from a draft where you move back and accumulate picks in later rounds, building depth but also sacrificing SOME time as you are passing on a player or two that might be ready earlier to play in the NFL.

The problem with the 2008 draft class is not who was taken or how many picks make the roster, but rather that folks here were looking for fourth and sixth round picks to make up for YEARS of a LACK of draft choices and depth at critical positions.

Having 4 or 5 picks make your club and then have 2-3 go on to be major contributors, even pro bowlers down the road, is considered a GOOD draft.

To expect ONE draft class without a #1 pick to come in and fill ALL the holes right off the bat is misguided.

Don't blame Cerrato for the 2008 draft.

Blame Snyder, Cerrato, Gibbs, Willams and the TEAM of organizational actors that went into the offseasons of years past and determined it was OK to trade multiple future picks for veterans who largely failed to deliver on their promises or contracts

I actually would make the argument that more than 6 will make the team and in the future this draft can absolutely help the team re-load.

Will make the team:

1. Devin Thomas

2. Fred Davis

3. Malcolm Kelly

4. Chad Reinhart

5. Kareem Moore

6. Chris Horton

7. Colt Brennan

8. Durant Brooks

Rob Jackson can eventually develop into a pass rush specialist after a year on the practice squad...Tryon is a question mark....

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Rinehart, Moore, all make the team...

Horton is on the bubble...

We now know that Durant Brooks will make the squad. That brings us to 6 w/those you mentioned. Chris Horton will make this team, so that's 7. Last but not least is the estimable young Mr. Brennan. From my seat we should have 8 rooks make the squad on opening day. That's VERY good for any team.

EDIT: jive, I was working out my post when you put yours in. You took the words right out of my mouth brother.

[Thinking Skins]

Rob Jackson can eventually develop into a pass rush specialist after a year on the practice squad

Actually, I'd put him on the roster along with Evans, Wilson and James.

But even if he doesn't make it, we still have Crummey and Geisner competing for spots, maybe Devin Clark...that goes to show that we may have done a good job addressing our lines this offseason and brining some youth to compete for at least the backup spots. If these guys can make the roster it can really help this team get younger.

[Jumbo]

bulldog, did we really need ANOTHER thread about this?

We've already got the threads by McD5 and Ji asking opinions and criticizing the draft...then there's the one which has been bumped about why we shouldn't have drafted Kelly and saying that Vinny should be fired for this reason...

I have a feeling that a lot of opinions are going to be repeated,

It's a fair enough question, TS..

But, per bulldog's norm, it's actually a thread started with a well-developed argument (whether one agrees with his views or not). J

Ji's was closed for the train wreck it quickly became--a matter often directly connected to the fact that there was little or no argumentitve development (depth) in the opening post. That becomes even more a factor when the POV is on a fringe.

bulldog presented a well-thought out, focused, and intelligent beginning to a conversation, and that is good enough given what's on the board at this point (IMO).

Glad you guys are still around.

[Walking Deadman]

I think that possibly 8-9 of the 10 will make the roster:

Brooks is confirmed in

Brennan, Rinehart, Thomas, Kelly and Davis will be on this roster or IR (Kelly)

Horton and Moore probably will make the roster (if not PS)

Jackson and Tryon might make the active....

overall that's not bad, finally we use the draft to bring in affordable talent and not blow $$$ for players who become duds.

And of the guys we drafted 4-5 of them may be signifivany starters/role-players while it's likely than many of them will be depth guys in the years to come.

[Sonny9TD]

The Redskins had 10 picks in the draft. Of that number 6 have a realistic chance of making the final roster and another 1-2 have a chance to make the practice squad.

Some of the fans here look at that as a failure, mainly because no immediate Jerry Rice or Darrell Green has emerged from the 2008 class.

Well, you won't usually get that immediate impact from a draft where you move back and accumulate picks in later rounds, building depth but also sacrificing SOME time as you are passing on a player or two that might be ready earlier to play in the NFL.

The problem with the 2008 draft class is not who was taken or how many picks make the roster, but rather that folks here were looking for fourth and sixth round picks to make up for YEARS of a LACK of draft choices and depth at critical positions.

Having 4 or 5 picks make your club and then have 2-3 go on to be major contributors, even pro bowlers down the road, is considered a GOOD draft.

To expect ONE draft class without a #1 pick to come in and fill ALL the holes right off the bat is misguided.

Don't blame Cerrato for the 2008 draft.

Blame Snyder, Cerrato, Gibbs, Willams and the TEAM of organizational actors that went into the offseasons of years past and determined it was OK to trade multiple future picks for veterans who largely failed to deliver on their promises or contracts

This is true but I have to blame Cerrato for something.

[ouvan59]

The sad fact of the matter is that ever since Dan "Mr. Know-it All" Synder took over the reigns of the Skin ... we have been mostly in a downward spiral.

There has been no consistency in coaching, or our philosophy in winning! Cerrato, Gibbs, Dan -- made stupid trades, and that has resulted in the Skins drafting the fewest players in the past 7 odd years.

We have not done a good job of evaluating talent, and have given up way too much for mediocre talent. Want proof...

1/ Jason Campbell - gave up 3 picks for this subpar QB, 2 were 1st rounders

2/ Carlos Rogers - gave up a pick to draft him as well

Then we draft players that have known injury problems ... Rocky McIntosh

What was the point of trading or not signing...

1/ Champ Bailey

2/ Antonio Pierce

... The list is big, but you get the picture!

It's really hurts as a Skins fan to see a ONCE storied franchise that was competitive even with average talent to the laughing stock we have become! We have now become what Indy used to be - a joke, and a team with little pride to carry on the rich tradition of playing with pride, and WINNING!!!

(sighs)

First of all we didn't give up 2 first rounders for Jason Campbell. We traded our first (and two other picks) for a first. We drafted Jason Campbell with a pick we did not have before the trade. Essentially we gave up a 3rd and a 4th for the opportunity to make our first round pick a year earlier.

Number 2. This horse has been beaten to death but Champ Bailey was offered a contract that would have made him the highest paid CB in the history of the NFL. He said he wanted out of Washington and would never play for us again. He forced our hand and we ended up with one of the best RBs ever to grace the burgundy and gold.

Number 3. If the list of traded or free agent players that got away is so long I challenge you to name any more that are actually any good. The only other one is Fred Smoot and he wasn't worth the money he got. Derrick Dockery? Please. He got silly money and we would have been stupid to fork over that kind of coin for him. Dying to hear some of the others that I can't remember.

Number 4. We did not give up a pick to get Carlos Rogers. We used our first rounder on him.

Number 5. You do realize that we have made the playoffs two of the last three seasons, right? Joe Gibbs did a tremendous job in righting the ship and establishing some continuity. We returned every single starter from last year this year. We returned the majority of our coaching staff which is unheard of when a coach is brought in from the outside.

Yes, our franchise has been pretty bad for the last 15 years but not for the old tired incorrect reasons you have thrown out. You get to sit with JLC and Pastabelly at the banquet this year.

[BurgundyMalaise]

If we never signed David Patten, the WR solution would have been solved. We were looking at Plax too that offseason. Man, Plax and Moss would have been great for Brunell and JC

You don't know how it would have played out. If I remember correctly, Gibbs called Patton like midnight of the first day of free agency. If he wanted to take on Plax at wideout, or have him in our team plans, he would been the one getting the call at midnight.