RedskinsCampbell2Cooley Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Pete Fiutak of CFN predicts we will take Campbell the DE from Miami, but below it says that "Several wide receivers will be very tempting, especially with a burgeoning QB in Jason Campbell needing pieces to play with. But new head coach Bill Cowher, uh, wait, it's not 2009 yet, uh, Jim Zorn, needs more defensive help. A more polished pass rusher like Phillip Merling or Auburn's Quentin Groves will be in the running." Does anyone else think that Zorn will have one year to make or break his future here, and if he does not succeed Cowher will be givin a chance? As far as the draft goes, we need to get Mario Manningham he is the next best receiver after Kelly from Oklahoma, the kid has blazing speed, and would be a great compliment to Santana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Good call on Manningham. He just blew everyone away at the combine with a 4.68. Not only does he not have blazing speed, apparently there are character concerns because he has interviewed terribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
los227 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Mario Manningham fast? Too bad this joker just ran a 4.68 in the combine....Uh no thankyou. Let's go with Plaxico's replica-Limas Sweed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
los227 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 D'oh beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Manningham=Peter Warrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsCampbell2Cooley Posted February 24, 2008 Author Share Posted February 24, 2008 apparently you guys are those who put so much emphasis on the combine, that you dont actually look at their performance in games. The combine does not mean anything!!! look at his highlights in the games he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 apparently you guys are those who put so much emphasis on the combine, that you dont actually look at their performance in games. The combine does not mean anything!!! look at his highlights in the games he plays.4.68 for a guy who's special attribute is supposed to be speed is not an emphasis, it's simple intelligent recognition. It would be one thing if he were a possession guy known for his route running, but that isn't the case. He is/was overrated and has now been exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 apparently you guys are those who put so much emphasis on the combine, that you dont actually look at their performance in games. The combine does not mean anything!!! look at his highlights in the games he plays. Not to get into the whole "this conference is better than that conference" debate.....but he put up those stats against questionable teams to say the least. Troy Smith had some pretty good stats didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsCampbell2Cooley Posted February 24, 2008 Author Share Posted February 24, 2008 watch his highlights on youtube! he is a heck of a route runner! got great moves in the open field too. did you happen to see what he did to florida in the capital one bowl with all that great SEC speed they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanTaylorINOURHearts Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 I can run faster than that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Does anyone else think that Zorn will have one year to make or break his future here, and if he does not succeed Cowher will be givin a chance? As far as the draft goes, we need to get Mario Manningham he is the next best receiver after Kelly from Oklahoma, the kid has blazing speed, and would be a great compliment to Santana. I think it would be stupid to give Zorn one year to succeed. That would be typical Snyder though, so who knows. I say let Zorn play out his 5 years, unless he goes 3-13 for a couple of years straight. Also, I don't know this "Manningham" charicter. Every time I read his name on these boards I think, Peyton Manning meets Randall Cunningham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never21Forgotten36 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Not to get into the whole "this conference is better than that conference" debate.....but he put up those stats against questionable teams to say the least.Troy Smith had some pretty good stats didn't he? Yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him starting for the Ravens next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Not to get into the whole "this conference is better than that conference" debate.....but he put up those stats against questionable teams to say the least.Troy Smith had some pretty good stats didn't he? Stats can be misleading; just as much as old adages like ..."the SEC has a lock on talent." Frankly, there have been a large number of Gator and Vol flops at the pro-level, especially at the WR level. I don't know how good Manninghom is, but whenever I watched him on televised games, he seemed to get open at the right times. Sometimes 'sneaky-quick' can work as well as 'blazing-fast' for getting open. Manningham seems to be able to make the catch under pressure too -- something many WRs don't. That said, I'm not keen to have the Skins draft a rookie WR -- we've got other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Does anyone else think that Zorn will have one year to make or break his future here, and if he does not succeed Cowher will be givin a chance? It's tough to predict what Snyder will do, but the thought has crossed my mind that Zorn might just be keeping the seat warm for Cowher. Then when Cowher takes over, Zorn will be the OC. I'm not saying I think that WILL happen, but it has crossed my mind. As far as Manningham, without knowing anything about him other than what I saw on TV, I like him. But 4.68 for a WR is not that great and if others say there are character concerns, then that would be an issue for me. I'd be happy with either a DL or WR in the first round. Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Running a 40 yard dash has nothing to do with field speed. Nothing. The question is did Manningham have speed playing for Michigan. If he did, then please explain how 80 yards at a combine then negates his speed? If he didnt, then he never had it. It would be beyond foolish to declare a player slow because of his combine speed rather than what he did on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDRedskinsFan Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 If Snyder was so impressed with Zorn, and respected him, he wouldn't have done this as a stop-over. I think he'd have hired Williams if it was going to be a stopgap, or even Blache. I don't think you hire somebody with real aspirations of being a head coach only to pull the plug after a year. I think the media is just overblowing the whole Cowher thing, they made the whole thing up and are just hoping it happens so it feeds their egos. It could happen, but I highly doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahones01 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Exactly. Running a 40 yard dash in shorts and a t-shirt with no defender on you has nothing to do with how you will perform in a game with full pads against CB's, Safeties, LB's. It also doesn't show your ability to find or create space and get seperation. Those are things only game film will show you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur58z Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Bill Cowher is waiting for the Panthers job. He wants nothing to do with this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Everyone thought Manningham runs a 4.4 40. He was exposed as a fraud. He doesn't run a 4.4. It only seemed like it because everyone around him ran a 4.9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
box8276 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Dont buy into the 40 time folks, its worthless. If thats the reasoning then S.Moss should be the best wr in the NFL. Speed isnt everything. Route running is more important, so is the ability to catch the damn ball. I hate the combine for this reason. It negates what they do on the field. I want football players not sprinters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 It's easy to look fast in the Big Ten. If Manningham had been blowing by SEC or even Big 12 guys, it would be easier for me to overlook a bad sprint at the combine. But 4.68 is very slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 At that speed he won't be looking at the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandryLaysWood Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Manningham will be a solid WR in the NFL but we need a big receiver, not another "speed" receiver. I know he ran a 4.68 but he still is fast if you watched any of his game film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsCampbell2Cooley Posted February 24, 2008 Author Share Posted February 24, 2008 hey nightbird did you happen to see what Manningham did against the ALLLL MIGHTY FLORIDA GATORS!!!! AND THAT SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Pete Fiutak of CFN predicts we will take Campbell the DE from Miami, but below it says that "Several wide receivers will be very tempting, especially with a burgeoning QB in Jason Campbell needing pieces to play with. But new head coach Bill Cowher, uh, wait, it's not 2009 yet, uh, Jim Zorn, needs more defensive help. A more polished pass rusher like Phillip Merling or Auburn's Quentin Groves will be in the running."Does anyone else think that Zorn will have one year to make or break his future here, and if he does not succeed Cowher will be givin a chance? As far as the draft goes, we need to get Mario Manningham he is the next best receiver after Kelly from Oklahoma, the kid has blazing speed, and would be a great compliment to Santana. Dan Snyder will look VERY badly if he does that. If he seriously wanted rid of Saunders then fine, but are you telling me he couldn't have given Williams 1 year as a HC? No Zorn gets at least 2 years, unlesse we go winless or some other very anemic performance. Snyder made this hire with a view to the long term and I think Cowher is out of the picture for good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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