stat2883 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 I hate the combine for this reason. It negates what they do on the field. I want football players not sprinters.I'll say it more negates what they do in the eyes of the general public (i.e. us arm-chair GMs). However, I'd be willing to bet that any scout or talent evaluator will put more emphasis on game film....and even more so on their pro-day workouts. There are any number of things that can go into someone's 40 time at the combine. I would just dismiss this time as a fluke for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stat2883 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Zorn gets at least 2 years, unlesse we go winless or some other very anemic performance. Snyder made this hire with a view to the long term and I think Cowher is out of the picture for good now.I tend to agree and hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 hey nightbird did you happen to see what Manningham did against the ALLLL MIGHTY FLORIDA GATORS!!!! AND THAT SEC. Yeah, and I'll chalk it up to a fluke. I'm not sure why you put that in all caps, since I'm not some "SEC fan" of any sort. I went Temple for pete's sake. But it is the far superior conference, and Big 10 receivers have fooled NFL gms before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I am all for anyone from the TRUE UT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I really don't want Manningham... I don't really like any of the top rated WRs this year. I'd rather get someone like Hackett or Stallworth in FA and then concentrate on other positions. I don't see any of these top WRs as being "special", but I can see lower round receivers turning into gems. I guess some may grow on me. BTW, Manningham did get exposed (whoever mentioned it above). That bad 40 smells like Dwayne Jarrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsince72 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 For some reason, I don't think the Cowher Going to Washington fantasy will be played out. And that will really hurt the media's feelings. Zorn has got something that few teams have. A creative vision. He will move this offense forward because that is what he is good at. It may start off bumpy but I expect our offense to be exciting to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Running a 40 yard dash has nothing to do with field speed. Nothing.The question is did Manningham have speed playing for Michigan. If he did, then please explain how 80 yards at a combine then negates his speed? If he didnt, then he never had it. It would be beyond foolish to declare a player slow because of his combine speed rather than what he did on the field. What you say may be logical, but we both know that a 4.68 speed for a wide receiver is probably going to drop the player on most teams draft boards. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Bill Cowher will never coach in DC as long as Dan Snyder is in charge. He will simply never get the full power that will most definitely be a requirement wherever he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revallenjr Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 He was just Sandbagging. He does not want to play for a team picking in the top 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Sorry but Manningham is not what the Skins are looking for regardless of his speed. Zorn was pretty clear that he wanted a big WR. I am pretty confident that the Skins are not going to draft a DE unless he can play both DT and DE at a very high level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Bill Cowher will never coach in DC as long as Dan Snyder is in charge. He will simply never get the full power that will most definitely be a requirement wherever he goes. Cowher is a career .500 coach Why would we want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I'll say it more negates what they do in the eyes of the general public (i.e. us arm-chair GMs). However, I'd be willing to bet that any scout or talent evaluator will put more emphasis on game film....and even more so on their pro-day workouts. There are any number of things that can go into someone's 40 time at the combine. I would just dismiss this time as a fluke for now.The combine is for the coaches. The scouts already know most of the guys at the combine inside out. They have been watching them for years. NFL coaches have better things to do than scour college film during the season. But the coaches and GMs have a lot more input in player selection than the scouts, and they want to see and talk to these guys in person. Of course they are steered somewhat by their own scouts recommendations. That's what the scouts are paid for. But if Manningham runs as slow as some TEs and Tackles, he better have a good excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestyln Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Kenny Phillips :point2sky nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpride1 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 MY thoughts are rushing DT not DE thats what Vinny wants and I agree we don't have squat from the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRonDontLikeUgly Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 As far as the draft goes, we need to get Mario Manningham he is the next best receiver after Kelly from Oklahoma, the kid has blazing speed, and would be a great compliment to Santana. if we take manningham, i'll cut my **** off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 if we take manningham, i'll cut my **** off Don't do that! Only Cowpuke fans should be/are eunuchs! :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyounker44 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 But new head coach Bill Cowher, uh, wait, it's not 2009 yet, uh, Jim Zorn, needs more defensive help. Does anyone else think that Zorn will have one year to make or break his future here, and if he does not succeed Cowher will be givin a chance? Give we give the cowher thing a rest already. At least until Zorn gets a chance. We could start 12-0 and after the first loss cowhers name would come out. I hope big chin signs with the cowboys so we can whip his a** twice a year :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Cowher is a career .500 coachWhy would we want him? WAIT WAIT WAIT. Some actual realism in the Stadium???????????? :thud: :thud::thud::thud::thud::thud::thud::thud::thud: Thanks Cavalierman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stat2883 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 The combine is for the coaches. The scouts already know most of the guys at the combine inside out. They have been watching them for years. NFL coaches have better things to do than scour college film during the season. But the coaches and GMs have a lot more input in player selection than the scouts, and they want to see and talk to these guys in person. Of course they are steered somewhat by their own scouts recommendations. That's what the scouts are paid for. But if Manningham runs as slow as some TEs and Tackles, he better have a good excuse. Maybe I should have been more clear then. I lumped coaches in with "scouts and talent evaluators". But yes, I do agree with you. As for Manningham's time, it could be something as simple as a poor start. I couldn't say for sure unless I saw his 10 and 20 yard splits. If his 10 is bad, but the time between 20 and 40 is good, I would chalk that up to a poor start and not think much of it. Not many WRs start off in the blocks like that Also, I think I read somewhere that Jerry Rice put up like a 4.6 or something, yet he was still able to get past safties and get good YAC when needed. (that 40 time is off my memory and could be wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stat2883 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Cowher is a career .500 coachWhy would we want him? Cowher (.623)Gibbs (.621) Gibbs I (.674) Gibbs II (.469) research is good http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ ---that being said, I still don't want Cowher. I did at one time, but not after hearing some of the things Zorn has said. I'm all for giving Zorn a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Manningham=Charles Rogers. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM916 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 The worst thing we could possibly do is hire a new coach in 2009 unless we really start looking like the Raiders this year. The five year deal we gave him, I hope, is an indication that he will at least get three years to show us what he can do. I have high expectations for next season but I'm willing to accept 6-10 or better. If we somehow do worse than that, then we have to blow it all up yet again and I will probably have to check into a nice padded room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFan48 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 sure you can I can run faster than that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFan48 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 First off. GW was fired earlier on. So GW would not be the head coach job after being fired. ANd second do you know who our owner is because that is something DS would do. If Snyder was so impressed with Zorn, and respected him, he wouldn't have done this as a stop-over. I think he'd have hired Williams if it was going to be a stopgap, or even Blache. I don't think you hire somebody with real aspirations of being a head coach only to pull the plug after a year. I think the media is just overblowing the whole Cowher thing, they made the whole thing up and are just hoping it happens so it feeds their egos. It could happen, but I highly doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFan48 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 well if for some reason we do take him. You better believe someone on here will bump this for you too man up or in your case man down. if we take manningham, i'll cut my **** off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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