armada58 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 No, this is not an anti-Collins thread. A write this post with every bit of respect and admiration for what Collins has done for The Redskins the last few weeks. We needed Campbell as our starting QB in order to win this game. We needed his athleticism, escpecially in the first half, to make some plays for this offense. The types of plays that Collins is simply not able to make. Avoiding the rush and scrambling, throwing a lazer beam on some of the out patterns, buying some time on the pocket with quick feet. These are the types of intangibles that would have been VERY helpful and, I believe, would have made a significant difference. This is exactly the type of game where a guy like Campbell can make the difference for us. He knows that. We truly missed him today. The last few weeks we haven't necessarily missed Campbell as much as we have embraced Collins, and the roll we were on. Today, we needed Campbell. Today was the day where Campbell being injured truly hurt this team. I still, to this day, feel truly blessed to have a franchise QB. I consider myself lucky that he gets to mature in front of my eyes. These are the kinds of games that Campbell will win in the future. This may sound strange, but I think Campbell watching Collins the last few weeks may have been a HUGE benefit to his development. It was a great run. I am proud of this team and proud to call myself a die hard Redskins Fan. I am looking forward to 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossFan89 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I think the problem was probably that we thought that the hawks defense was soft. and that was our and the players mistake. they are a defense that Fly's around all over the field really. i think with Collins or JC it would have not made a diffrence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisxcore Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Anyone could've been our QB today and with that performance by the offensive line, receivers and the Seattle defense - we would've lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_e_b Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I don't know if that would have helped a whole lot. This offensive line was just simply unable to protect Collins and I don't believe Campbell would have been able to avoid the pressure all day as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desioreo87 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I agree with the OP. JC has the physical tools to make some plays today but Collins did the most with what he had all game. It was unfortunate. I think suisham cost us teh game, don't care what anyone says, suisham cost us the gam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Stupid Loser Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 They would have eaten Campbell alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 You know what? I was thinking the same thing....for some reason the whole time im thinking.....JC gives us a better chance to win THIS game....not the last 4 by any means. But for some reason I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 You know what? I was thinking the same thing....for some reason the whole time im thinking.....JC gives us a better chance to win THIS game....not the last 4 by any means. But for some reason I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggoman44 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 We were in position to win and didn't do it. I love JC but he would not have won this game. Next year we need him to be the man, but TC did everything we could have hoped for out of a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Collins cant throw an out route for the sake of his life. Did you see how many balls just hung in the air forever? Collins cant complete a pass unless he is fully protected and standing in 1 spot. He cant even throw on the run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Well, JC at least would have been able to move away from the pass rush, and maybe he would have made some plays earlier. I don't know if he would have made a difference, tho, particularly since Collins didn't get much help from his receivers early. Our playmakers needed to make some plays. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 You know what? I was thinking the same thing....for some reason the whole time im thinking.....JC gives us a better chance to win THIS game....not the last 4 by any means.But for some reason I was thinking the same thing. Exactly. I'm not talking about our 4 game winning streak. I'm talking only about THIS game. Campbell would have given us a much better chance. We needed his athleticism. Collins is a statue. Campbell's mobility alone would have made a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcoreskinsfan Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I agree with the OP to an extent, i think Campbell would have given us a better chance at the end. I know he didn't necessarily get it done this year with the game on the line but just having the chance has to count for something. Anyways, starting Collins was the right thing to do. He played us into the playoffs and honestly gave us a chance to win this game. Without that first bad pass that Moss gave up on i think we might have made a run at them but you never know. I agree with the person that said Suisham cost us also, I think that was a HUGE momentum swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 If collins had that type of protection for the first few weeks, we would be lucky to be 5-7. JC was our most consistent player for the first few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 No, this is not an anti-Collins thread. A write this post with every bit of respect and admiration for what Collins has done for The Redskins the last few weeks...... Yes it Is You are Wrong TC > JC Lets hope JC improves.....I expected more from him so far Next Year he better deliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Yes it IsYou are Wrong TC > JC Lets hope JC improves.....I expected more from him so far Next Year he better deliver Not at all. Fact is, with the OL struggling to protect the QB, having a pure pocket passer is a liability. This is nothing against Collins, but that Campbell's strengths would have been more valuable in this game, where the protection wasn't perfect. Also, if you expect more from a QB who only has played slightly over a season of NFL football, methinks you expect too much. Hell, Campbell plays better than Eli Manning, who has had a lot more experience. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 I agree with the OP to an extent, i think Campbell would have given us a better chance at the end. I know he didn't necessarily get it done this year with the game on the line but just having the chance has to count for something. Anyways, starting Collins was the right thing to do. He played us into the playoffs and honestly gave us a chance to win this game. Without that first bad pass that Moss gave up on i think we might have made a run at them but you never know. I agree with the person that said Suisham cost us also, I think that was a HUGE momentum swing. I just want to clarify that I absolutely, positively am not questioning the decsion about who to start in this game. Starting Collins was the right decsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald362 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Actually, you are wrong. As the OP said, TC took us as far as he could. TC has the knowledge, but not the physical skills. JC is learning the knowledge, and has the physical skills. You can teach knowledge, but not physical attributes. In this game, perhaps JC could have scrambled some to avoid the rush, run some draws, some rollouts to move the pocket. TC cannot do those things. I expect that with solid OL play, and WR's who dont make as many drops, JC will show significant improvement in numbers next year. Yes it IsYou are Wrong TC > JC Lets hope JC improves.....I expected more from him so far Next Year he better deliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance04 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 We would have still lost. Are you kidding me? JC would have been mauled by that pass rush. Sure on some plays he may have escaped, but on others he would have fumbled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 Well, JC at least would have been able to move away from the pass rush, and maybe he would have made some plays earlier. I don't know if he would have made a difference, tho, particularly since Collins didn't get much help from his receivers early.Our playmakers needed to make some plays. Jason I agree with your reply. Moss, Cooley & Portis all dropped balls in the 1st quarter. I will concede one of your points, in that my original post may have been misleading with regards to it........ I didn't mean to say that Campbell's presence would have guarateed a win for us. I believe that Campbell would have given us a better chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinFeathers Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 And apparently we shoulda had TC at the beginning of the year? There are definately plays that JC woulda capitalized on, but then again I don't know if he coulda had that much better of a game. I can't imagine anyone playin that well with such a lack of Oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 There was one play in the middle of the game where TC tried to get a first down by running and he gained only 2 yards. Every game with JC we knew he would run for a first down if he had the chance. There was another situation at the goalline where the middle opened up and he could have ran but throw the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck812 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Anyone could've been our QB today and with that performance by the offensive line, receivers and the Seattle defense - we would've lost. So this is a team sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 What we needed was a good O-line. One that could push ahead for one yard, one that could pick up a blitz, and one that could keep Kerney from looking like Reggie White. Neither Jason or Todd can do it all alone, and it was just a bad day all around for the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 This just in. It has been reported by the WP, that ExtremeSkins poster "taylorcoreskin" has succesfully had his chin removed from Todd Collins nuts. Collins will go through some therapy in the offseason to cope with the stretching of his scrotum from dragging "taylorcoreskin" around all day, but sources say Collins will go into surgery for a Nut Lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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