2006Skins Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Gibbs knows that JC is the better option for this team. Gibbs 2.0 is a failure if TC is ever announced as starting QB. He wont do that. He knows that JC is not the reason why they were 5-7 The biggest knock was that Campbell is a turnover machine. Collins did have 2 INTs and a fumble today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 It helps doesn't when the defense gives a short field. This game showed you exactly why TC wont be able to handle a 16 game schedule. He is the perfect backup QB Kinda like Campbell couldn´t handle a 16 game schedule? You´re right, holding your ground in the pocket while the alarm clock in your head is ringing and hitting ARE for a td on 3rd down to cut the lead to six only to take the lead a couple plays later on a pinpoint bomb to Moss is all about the D. Ask yourself this: how many points did we leave on the field this year with Campbell with a short field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 Jason campbell is still the best QB on the roster.Collins might know the offense better but he cannot make plays (when things break down) and he is a statue which means the Skins have to max protect him. Advantage Campbell... Right on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Moss claims to have lost it in the lights. If he did then he did. I believe him... He's a stand up guy who would man up if he gave up on the play. Remember GB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Kinda like Campbell couldn´t handle a 16 game schedule? You´re right, holding your ground in the pocket while the alarm clock in your head is ringing and hitting ARE for a td on 3rd down to cut the lead to six only to take the lead a couple plays later on a pinpoint bomb to Moss is all about the D. Ask yourself this: how many points did we leave on the field this year with Campbell with a short field? Why don't you move your kneecap to the side of your leg, move it back and tell me if you can play football next week? :doh: It's about learning an offense. CAmpbell is obviously the more talented qb because when things broke down for Collins he didn't make great plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 More important than reading a Blitz is being able to avoid it when the Hot route you called isnt open...:laugh:There were also cases where TC was almost scared to scramble when he had open field.. There was another play down in the redzone where campbell would have walked into the endzone....There were 1st down left on the field that campbell probably could have scrambled for..... There definitely first downs on some of those out patterns that require an adult throwing arm.. The out patterns that were barely batted away by the defense were 1st downs when JC was the QB.....If they were jumped they were throw so hard that DB hands couldnt not catch and it would bounce to the ground... Todd Collins throws a catchable ball and that works for you and against you... Sometimes in this league you need a gun to get it in there.... All of the talk about collins knowing the system means nothing when the DB guesses the route ...if you cant zip it in then you are dead against a good DB...If you are not mobile you are dead against a fast Defense... Here is to a speedy recovery JC Hell yes!! Here's a man who saw exactly what I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Kinda like Campbell couldn´t handle a 16 game schedule? You´re right, holding your ground in the pocket while the alarm clock in your head is ringing and hitting ARE for a td on 3rd down to cut the lead to six only to take the lead a couple plays later on a pinpoint bomb to Moss is all about the D. Ask yourself this: how many points did we leave on the field this year with Campbell with a short field? when did we have a short field with campbell? :doh: Campbell survived 2 serious injuires and still was a solider and could have came back this year if warranted. TC= those hits out for career. TC body wouldn't be able to handle the stress and just longetivity of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 So basically Campbell is the better option cause he is a better scrambler? Come on guys. Campbell may have a stronger arm but Collins wins almost all of the other categories. He has better pocket presence (which is saying a lot), he reads plays quicker and is much better at improvising, and is more accurate. What good is a strong-arm qb if he consistently misses the deep throw? As much as I like Campbell, nothing about this season makes me think he wins this game. Honestly, Campbell doesn´t deserve to be in the argument here. He had nothing to do with this playoff run. He wouldn´t have won a single game in this playoff run, but all of a sudden he would have walked into Qwest Field and won a playoff game? People want to continue to ignore Collins because of his pedigree, or lack thereof, but if he can do what he did today, why wouldnt you want him to be out there for us? Compared to Brunell, Campbell deserves our support, but compared to Collins, he needs to earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I should expect more than a Turnover Machine though I'd hardly call 11 interceptions in 13 games a "turnover machine". Hell, Eli has never had less than 17 interceptions in a season. Certainly, he can improve, but I don't think his production is out of line from most young QBs. Look around and you will find that young QBs turn the ball over, particularly when they feel the pressure to make plays. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinFan63 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 No, this is not an anti-Collins thread. A write this post with every bit of respect and admiration for what Collins has done for The Redskins the last few weeks.We needed Campbell as our starting QB in order to win this game. We needed his athleticism, escpecially in the first half, to make some plays for this offense. The types of plays that Collins is simply not able to make. Avoiding the rush and scrambling, throwing a lazer beam on some of the out patterns, buying some time on the pocket with quick feet. These are the types of intangibles that would have been VERY helpful and, I believe, would have made a significant difference. This is exactly the type of game where a guy like Campbell can make the difference for us. He knows that. We truly missed him today. The last few weeks we haven't necessarily missed Campbell as much as we have embraced Collins, and the roll we were on. Today, we needed Campbell. Today was the day where Campbell being injured truly hurt this team. I still, to this day, feel truly blessed to have a franchise QB. I consider myself lucky that he gets to mature in front of my eyes. These are the kinds of games that Campbell will win in the future. This may sound strange, but I think Campbell watching Collins the last few weeks may have been a HUGE benefit to his development. It was a great run. I am proud of this team and proud to call myself a die hard Redskins Fan. I am looking forward to 2008. Campbell would have made no difference. With no offensive line and little defense, how are you going to win? You aren't. See ya next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 when things broke down for Collins he didn't make great plays. Honestly, have you watched any games since Campbell went down? Collins has made some enormous plays by looking for his 3rd and sometimes 4th options, or improvising a route for a td. Just look at the ARE touchdown today. No, he isn´t a great scrambler, but he is much better than Campbell at standing in the pocket until the very last second and making a play. Granted, today he was under a lot more pressure, but he still found a way to make plays. I don´t know what else we can ask of the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Collins showed today the only way he was successful if he is behind the great wall of china and can play with a lead. Campbell on the other hand played with this cast all year and only 1 game (NE) we were outmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance04 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'd hardly call 11 interceptions in 13 games a "turnover machine". Hell, Eli has never had less than 17 interceptions in a season.Certainly, he can improve, but I don't think his production is out of line from most young QBs. Look around and you will find that young QBs turn the ball over, particularly when they feel the pressure to make plays. Jason Jason, 11 INT's with 8 fumbles. 19 TO's in 12 games... yeah... thats a TO machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Honestly, have you watched any games since Campbell went down? Collins has made some enormous plays by looking for his 3rd and sometimes 4th options, or improvising a route for a td. Just look at the ARE touchdown today. No, he isn´t a great scrambler, but he is much better than Campbell at standing in the pocket until the very last second and making a play. Granted, today he was under a lot more pressure, but he still found a way to make plays. I don´t know what else we can ask of the guy. I have seen every minute of every game this season, thank you. I'm not talking about looking for a 3rd or 4th option. I'm talking if the play is completely broken down and the offense needs something to happen, Campbell is a better playmaker in those situations. I'm not trashing Collins. He's a great backup. I hope he signs here again; but Campbell is the playmaker, Collins knows the system. If Campbell gets 7 years to learn the same system, I'm sure he'd be pretty good in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwo40 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Look. Plain and simple TC is a backup and for a very key reason....he floats all his passes. Seattle beat us by doing the smart thing-taking away the middle when they could and making TC try to throw the sideline, fade, or out patterns. He doesn't have the strength or I should say the accuracy with the strength to make those throws. I don't know if Jason develops into a franchise QB, but I do know he has the arm to make these throws and that's at least something good to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 when did we have a short field with campbell? :doh: How bout @TB, @Dallas and vs.NYG. And that´s just off the top of my head without doing any research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execution56 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I believe that we underestimated the Seahawks after the way we dominated the Cowpokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Boss Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Kinda like Campbell couldn´t handle a 16 game schedule? You´re right, holding your ground in the pocket while the alarm clock in your head is ringing and hitting ARE for a td on 3rd down to cut the lead to six only to take the lead a couple plays later on a pinpoint bomb to Moss is all about the D. Ask yourself this: how many points did we leave on the field this year with Campbell with a short field? You do the math... (this doesnt include drives where we ran the ball to run out the clock..) MIA- 0 short fields NYG- Drive started at the New York 6 ( Was TD) DET- Drive started at the DET 3 ( WAS TD) Drive started at the DET 29 ( FG) ( we ran the ball 5 straight times up 31-3 already ) Green bay - Drive started at GB 48 ( Santana Moss fumble ) Arizona- Drive started at ARI 26 ( WAS TD ) Drive started at ARI 21 ( 2 runs , a sack & then Missed FG ) NE- Oh please...:laugh: ..Drive started at NE 45 (Campbell fumble ) NY jets- 0 short fields PHI- Drive started at the PHI 36 ( WAS TD) Drive started at the PHI 24 ( 7 straight run plays and then a FG) DAL - rive started at the Dallas 40 ( The imfamous INT he is blindly judged by) Tampa Bay- 0 short fields Buffalo- 0 short fields Chicago- 0 short fields for campbell Now what were you saying again about short fields and point being left?... and that was for 12 games with injured playmakers and horrible O line play and all..:laugh: On the other hand our D has been handing us the ball the last few games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetus Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 yep there will always be the ifs Collins is a great timing QB but Campbell athleticism was dearly missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Jason, 11 INT's with 8 fumbles. 19 TO's in 12 games... yeah... thats a TO machine That's how many INTs Romo sits to pee has this year... Is he a TO machine? Along with 10 fumbles... But he's the next Favre :laugh: Jason is a young guy learning. He does need to learn how to throw the ball away. That's where most of his fumbles came from. The play was busted and he was trying to get out of the pocket so he could make a play. This is where many of his fumbles came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 You do the math...(this doesnt include drives where we ran the ball to run out the clock..) MIA- 0 short fields NYG- Drive started at the New York 6 ( Was TD) DET- Drive started at the DET 3 ( WAS TD) Drive started at the DET 29 ( FG) ( we ran the ball 5 straight times up 31-3 already ) Green bay - Drive started at GB 48 ( Santana Moss fumble ) Arizona- Drive started at ARI 26 ( WAS TD ) Drive started at ARI 21 ( 2 runs , a sack & then Missed FG ) NE- Oh please...:laugh: ..Drive started at NE 45 (Campbell fumble ) NY jets- 0 short fields PHI- Drive started at the PHI 36 ( WAS TD) Drive started at the PHI 24 ( 7 straight run plays and then a FG) DAL - rive started at the Dallas 40 ( The imfamous INT he is blindly judged by) Tampa Bay- 0 short fields Buffalo- 0 short fields Chicago- 0 short fields for campbell Now what were you saying again about short fields and point being left?... and that was for 12 games with injured playmakers and horrible O line play and all..:laugh: On the other hand our D has been handing us the ball the last few games.. Damn! Little bit of ownage there. I'm becoming an Uno Boss fan. Draw 4, Campbell haters!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance04 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 That's how many INTs Romo sits to pee has this year... Is he a TO machine? Along with 10 fumbles... But he's the next Favre :laugh:Jason is a young guy learning. He does need to learn how to throw the ball away. That's where most of his fumbles came from. The play was busted and he was trying to get out of the pocket so he could make a play. This is where many of his fumbles came from. Skins... I think you are missing the point... JC had 19 TO's compared to 12 TD's. -7 Romo sits to pee had 21 TO's compared to 36 TD's. + 15 Also, JC had 2 less TO's in 4 less games. If your gonna turn the ball over 25 times a year, fine. Just make sure you make up for it by throwing for more then 25 See the difference? :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Honestly, have you watched any games since Campbell went down? Collins has made some enormous plays by looking for his 3rd and sometimes 4th options, or improvising a route for a td. Just look at the ARE touchdown today. No, he isn´t a great scrambler, but he is much better than Campbell at standing in the pocket until the very last second and making a play. Granted, today he was under a lot more pressure, but he still found a way to make plays. I don´t know what else we can ask of the guy. will this ever end? - every DC in the league will put together the same gameplan....addressing his defense thus: "Meet here where I draw the X. He aint goin nowhere." - TC is not a playmaker...he's a time manager. - he can't throw much over 35/40 yards. - he isn't flexible when circumstances change. He didn't make plays today. Quit passing the buck. They lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Skins... I think you are missing the point...JC had 19 TO's compared to 12 TD's. -7 Romo sits to pee had 21 TO's compared to 36 TD's. + 15 Also, JC had 2 less TO's in 4 less games. If your gonna turn the ball over 25 times a year, fine. Just make sure you make up for it by throwing for more then 25 See the difference? :2cents: no..I don't. I see TO playing for Romo sits to pee. now that is a difference with real meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalRecall Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 No, they needed aggressive play-calling like they had the past 4 weeks. Run, run, pass isn't always going to work, especially if you're Gibbs who likes to run the ball! You have to mix up the plays, put in 4 WRs, spread out the field. Sellers is a good blocker, but he isn't a playmaker and shouldn't be on the field on passing downs. Seattle mainly rushed 4 d-linemen and there is NO excuse for 5-6 o-linemen not blocking them! This loss is squarely on the offensive coaches' playcalling AGAIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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