WP: Cheney impeachment resolution sent to House committee

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Hey, I've got it! The secret Democratic plan:

1. Impeach Cheney
   
2. Stonewall confirmation on his replacement
   
3. Impeach Bush
   
4. Nancy Pellosi becomes first woman President.
   
5. Hillary loses her biggest campaign "draw".
   
6. Too late for Obama to get traction, though.
   
7. Rudy wins election. Inherits Bush's mess.
   
8. In '12, the Democrats will sweep into uncontested power.
   
9. American People stage 3rd American Revolution. Socialists & Internationalists slaughtered in the streets.
   

I fixed that for you, Larry.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I fixed that for you, Larry.

As long as it happens before Grey's Anatomy comes on at 8.

[chomerics]

Okay, it's really simple. Dennis Kucinich is an idealist who runs for President every four years but doesn't ever really expect to win. His goal is merely to push the Democratic Party further to the left. I'm not entirely sure that he cares that he makes the left look like crazy people or that he might be hurting his own cause with these stunts. He has his own hardcore beliefs and he sticks by them.

He wants Cheney impeached, as do a number of other Democrats with similar views. The Republicans think it would be really funny if the Democrats had to vote on whether Cheney should be impeached, so the Republican caucus joined with the left-wing fringe of the Democratic Party, and they got the resolution to the floor.

It was the perfect marriage of Democratic idealists with no political goal and Republican pragmatists with purely political goals. The rational Democrats in the center got trapped, and now they will try to bury the issue in committee.

In a nutshell, this is EXACTLY what happened.

[Kilmer17]

Again, we wonder why Congress has an 11 percent approval rating?

They did do that minimum wage thing a few months back though. So I guess that's why it's 11 and not zero.

DJ got it right for why it happened the way it did.

Kind of funny from both sides when you think about it.

[jbooma]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/11/cheney_impeachment_resolution.html

Impeachment is off the table...and into the judiciary committee. :laugh:

Honestly, I've been saying for months that Bush should be impeached over NSA and the USPS signing statement. But impeaching him for that would actually be protecting MY rights, and we can't have that.

But I really don't get this move at all. Kucinich was a HUGE long shot as it was, and he's now completely destroyed even the most remote chance of being a player in this election, IMO. So, I'd say it's a political move. But why would one make a political move that's detrimental to his own cause?

I know some democrats believe Cheney is the debil, and actually the puppetmaster behind president Bush. And I guess he's the next scapegoat, now that Karl Rove is gone. But I'm truly baffled by this move.

I'm assuming these committee hearings will be open. I hope so anyway. I'm anxious to tune into C-SPAN and see how this discussion goes. It looks to me as if the dems are going to continue to be embarassed on this topic; as Steny Hoyer obviously was when he swept it under the rug this afternoon.

Geez. And I thought the democrats were the ones who wanted "open and honest debate." I guess not.

Dems would look stupid trying to impeach either bush or cheney in their final year. I bet the republicans would eat that up.

[Burgold]

Again, we wonder why Congress has an 11 percent approval rating?

They did do that minimum wage thing a few months back though. So I guess that's why it's 11 and not zero.

DJ got it right for why it happened the way it did.

Kind of funny from both sides when you think about it.

Saw a poll this weekend that broke it down by party. Democrats in Congress had a 38% approvable rating. So, if the overall approval is 11% guess where the Repubs stand?

[freakofthesouth]

House Judiciary Trio Calls for Impeach Cheney Hearings

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=259835 (click link for full article)

Posted 12/14/2007

Three senior members of the House Judiciary Committee have called for the immediate opening of impeachment hearings for Vice President Richard Cheney.

Democrats Robert Wexler of Florida, Luis Gutierrez of Illinois and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin on Friday distributed a statement, "A Case for Hearings," that declares, "The issues at hand are too serious to ignore, including credible allegations of abuse of power that if proven may well constitute high crimes and misdemeanors under our constitution. The charges against Vice President Cheney relate to his deceptive actions leading up to the Iraq war, the revelation of the identity of a covert agent for political retaliation, and the illegal wiretapping of American citizens."

[jbooma]

They have less then a year left my god can we work on some things that are a little more important, such as affordable healthcare, economy, and less taxes

[freakofthesouth]

They have less then a year left my god can we work on some things that are a little more important, such as affordable healthcare, economy, and less taxes

Impeachment is an extremely important opportunity to set things right before they leave office. Some undeniably impeachable offenses have occured, and it is essential that those who destroy the constitution be brough to justice.

How could you say it's not important?

[twa]

Impeachment is an extremely important opportunity to set things right before they leave office. Some undeniably impeachable offenses have occured, and it is essential that those who destroy the constitution be brough to justice.

How could you say it's not important?

Preach on....Don't let em duck out now while there's still time.

[Prosperity]

This is only slightly more useful than the resolution praising Christmas. The old dog is going to die of a heart attack any day now anyway.

[Larry]

This is only slightly more useful than the resolution praising Christmas. The old dog is going to die of a heart attack any day now anyway.

Oh, yeah. Like he has one.

[TrumanB]

The old dog is going to die of a heart attack any day now anyway.

Too bad we can't say that about the president too, right? :doh:

[jbooma]

Impeachment is an extremely important opportunity to set things right before they leave office. Some undeniably impeachable offenses have occured, and it is essential that those who destroy the constitution be brough to justice.

How could you say it's not important?

look i thought trying to impeach Clinton was a waste as well, as this would be, since he is not getting impeached

unless he did something that was BLATANLY obvious then yes, but he didn't so it is futile to even start

[Sarge]

Impeachment is an extremely important opportunity to set things right before they leave office. Some undeniably impeachable offenses have occured, and it is essential that those who destroy the constitution be brough to justice.

How could you say it's not important?

And what would they be?

Don't you think if the Dems REALLY had something on BUsh/Cheney, they would have already pulled the trigger?

[Larry]

And what would they be?

Don't you think if the Dems REALLY had something on BUsh/Cheney, they would have already pulled the trigger?

Nah. It doesn't get them votes.

I'm certain that what they'd like to do is to have a string of never-ending investigations. Something who's primary purpose is to be the lead-off story on the evening news, preferably for years. Something that's boring and complicated, but which will cause people who are half asleep to think "gee, with all this investigating, there must be something to it".

At least, that seems to be the traditional way to milk political gain out of something that's really not that important.

(In fact, one of the main reasons why it wouldn't get them votes is because for some reason, the people are pretty much convinced that whenever one political party investigates the other, they just assume that it's nothing but a political publicity stunt. For some reason.)

[Prosperity]

Too bad we can't say that about the president too, right? :doh:

No

[isle-hawg]

Don't you think if the Dems REALLY had something on BUsh/Cheney, they would have already pulled the trigger?

Not necessarily. How about "anti-gay R Congressman" Foley from FL, who was having sex with his minor male pages, which came out right before the election. The Rep blowhards (Limbaugh and Co.) called foul if I remember for the Dems not mentioning it sooner. It did have an effect on the overal election IMO.

Should the Reps spend the last year of this term defending Cheney, that is not going to work in their favor with anyone other then the most die-hard Reps out there IMO. This maybe good tactical strategy for the Dems and not so good for the Reps who voted to have this go to debate on the floor.

[The_cavalierman]

Don't worry....

The American people will pull the cord on the GOP ejection seat soon enough.

They have seen enough GOP scandals, stone walling and mis-management to show the GOP the door in 2008.

That 20,000 gorilla called Iraq is going to catch up to them. So what the surge has shown limited progress. It's only been 4-5 years and trillions of dollars.

Can you imagine bragging about 1 limited success in WWII like the GOP is bragging about the limited success of the surge?

They have just established a beach head (after 4-5 years, 4000 lives and trillions of dollars) and now the GOP declaring victory. Do they expect the American people to buy any more GOP bull regarding our progress in this occupation.

Allow me to refesh memories...

1. Mission accomplished

2. Last throes....

Judging by the continued enemy violence and the lack of diplomatic and infastructure progress the enemy did not get the memo that they lost becuase of the surge.

As Gen. Patreus has said and keeps saying....the surge is not enough

[freakofthesouth]

look i thought trying to impeach Clinton was a waste as well, as this would be, since he is not getting impeached

unless he did something that was BLATANLY obvious then yes, but he didn't so it is futile to even start

Yeah, IMO, this situation merits much more attention than Lewinskygate.

I do not agree with the notion that nothing blatantly wrong has happened with this administration. The Iraq situation is cause enough to bring about impeachment hearings. For instance, declaring war without the consent of congress in unconstitutional. Justifying war through a series of falshoods (nuclear/WMD threat, Al Qaeda sanctuary) that apparently have lost all attempts at ever being explained.

You start with Cheney. There are plenty of questions that he needs to answer.

[freakofthesouth]

And what would they be?

Don't you think if the Dems REALLY had something on BUsh/Cheney, they would have already pulled the trigger?

The impeachable offenses I support are the ones listed in the H res 33:

http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int2.pdf (synopsis)

I think the dems have a lot of beaurocratic tape to work through. I suspect some corruption as well. That said, it's good to see that the possibility of impeachment is gaining ground. In the name of our country and our constitution, we need to ask these questions.