NickGiaquinto1 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Very interesting article. People are (for good reason) screaming about Vick and dog fighting but it doesnt seem as big a deal when NFL players are beating their wives or girlfriends. On a Skins note, ex-Bengal and Skins DT Dan Wilkinson was arrested here in Cincy (years back)for punching his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach. He never served a day in jail and was never suspended. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/53331/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 It is interesting what the public has outrage over In my opinion the public should have outrage over both of these, both dog fighting and wife beating Clearly though you hear so much about "domestic violence" that we are almost desensitized to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Clearly though you hear so much about "domestic violence" that we are almost desensitized to it That's the harsh reality. Wife beating and other domestic abuse is worse than dog fighting. That doesn't mean Vick deserves to be let off the hook or treated any less severely. It just means that we need to take a more serious stance against the wife beaters. Seriously, we are too soft on violent crime... :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl05 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Both are despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I think the difference here is that Vick was institutionalizing dog fighting. He was participating in organized crime. I don't care what the crime is, that's pretty huge. Is domestic violence bad too? Absolutely. But that's a red herring in this discussion. Totally irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 One does have to wonder how Leonard Little can kill someone driving drunk and all these players can beat the crap out of their wives and we barely blink an eye, and they keep playing. I think it just has to do with the helplessness of a dog to the extent that they don't survive on their own without us and it has to do with the way a dog is viewed as a family member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 This is getting ridiculous. Of course "women beating" is a heinous act. Do we really need any more of these dog fighting vs threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I think the difference here is that Vick was institutionalizing dog fighting. He was participating in organized crime. I don't care what the crime is, that's pretty huge.Is domestic violence bad too? Absolutely. But that's a red herring in this discussion. Totally irrelevant. I agree. This is not a case of "beating your wife" vs. "fighting some dogs". It would be more of a "child labor camp" vs. "interstate dog fighting/gambling/transporting ring" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidenreich Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 PETA screams louder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I think the difference here is that Vick was institutionalizing dog fighting. He was participating in organized crime. I don't care what the crime is, that's pretty huge.Is domestic violence bad too? Absolutely. But that's a red herring in this discussion. Totally irrelevant. Let me ask you this, Henry - if Vick had been accused of casually fighting dogs on the weekends, but only as a participant and not an organizer, would you care then? Because that's the scenario you're painting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 We dont barely blink an eye.. Some like me are outraged.. Do i think you should lose your job for beating your wife? No... you need to go to councilling etc... Do i think you should lose your job for running a dog fighting ring: No... you need to go to jail etc.. Do i think you should lose your job for killing two people? NO.... you need to go to jail etc.. Not a big fan of losing your job because of things outside of your job. but i'm guessing if you go to jail, you lose your job... so the side effect is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Let me ask you this, Henry - if Vick had been accused of casually fighting dogs on the weekends, but only as a participant and not an organizer, would you care then? Because that's the scenario you're painting. And another follow-up question - you may have responded to this, but I've forgotten: What is your stance on horse-racing, and those who run it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Let me ask you this, Henry - if Vick had been accused of casually fighting dogs on the weekends, but only as a participant and not an organizer, would you care then? Because that's the scenario you're painting. I don't think it would nearly as big a deal. Not at all. I think he'd have gotten in trouble, but probably not with the Feds. Honestly, I didn't even pay attention to this story until I heard he was helping RUN things. That's organized crime. And like I said, that's a very, very big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 One does have to wonder how Leonard Little can kill someone driving drunk and all these players can beat the crap out of their wives and we barely blink an eye, and they keep playing. I agree. I think Little should still be in jail. I've said many many times on this board how disgusted I am that his crime has been so whitewashed by the league, and by supposedly 'good guys' like Dick Vermiel. To this day I hear his name on ESPN and my blood boils. But that's for another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I think there is also an element of "is the woman telling the truth." Domestic violence is a very serious crime, and a despicable one. However, I think when people hear about it now, they don't automatically assume that the woman is telling the truth because we've seen a few make this stuff up before. And in the end, sometimes, you hear a woman say "it was blown out of proportion" or something. Compared with dogs who aren't saying anything themselves, I think that gives these dogs a more innocent quality. Both are horrible, and the article makes a very good point, but I think part of the difference is that the dogs are so innocent. And furthermore, no one is even claiming it didnt happen. The defense is "it wasn't me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Apples to Oranges. Personally I agree that wife beating is a serious and disgusting thing. However there is an issue of scale to consider. Is punching your wife one time really comparable to running a dog fighting ring for 5 years? I don't think so. Likewise being a known abuser for several years is far worse then having been to a dog fight or participated in one, once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 It's psychologically impossible for human beings to sustain outrage. Domestic violence is something people confront as a reality every day. Dog fighting, on the other hand, is something that I think most people didn't realize the extent or pervasiveness of until now, so the outrage is fresh. Ask anyone who's upset about dog fighting if they support domestic abuse, and I think you know what answer you'll get. It's unrealistic, though, to demand that people maintain a level of appropriate emotional outrage for every improper act going on in the world today. It's not possible, and there are a lot of improper acts, so if it was, it wouldn't be healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I've heard some crazy comments on this.I actually heard a commentater say that in the African American community dogs are not viewed as pets but as objects.:doh: Dogfighting is as old as the hills, but Vick's celebrity only adds to the rating for the Nancy Grace crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Very interesting article. People are (for good reason) screaming about Vick and dog fighting but it doesnt seem as big a deal when NFL players are beating their wives or girlfriends.On a Skins note, ex-Bengal and Skins DT Dan Wilkinson was arrested here in Cincy (years back)for punching his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach. He never served a day in jail and was never suspended. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/53331/ The difference is, a dog is totally defensless, while a wife/girlfriend can reach out for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 To me it's all about choice ... and the ability to choose for yourself. A dog has no choice but to fight. They are forced into the situation. On the other hand, if my wife chose not to have my dinner ready by the time I got home from work ... then she also chose to get her ass beat. It's all really simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 On the other hand, if my wife chose not to have my dinner ready by the time I got home from work ... then she also chose to get her ass beat. It's all really simple. i hope you're joking :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 What do you say to a woman with 2 black eyes...?? You shouldn't have to tell her nothing, you done told her twice already... :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 What do you say to a woman with 2 black eyes...??You shouldn't have to tell her nothing, you done told her twice already... :paranoid: Who was the comedian who said: I saw this lady with a black eye and thought to myself 'awww, this ***** don't listen'. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Who was the comedian who said: I saw this lady with a black eye and thought to myself 'awww, this ***** don't listen'. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Who was the comedian who said: I saw this lady with a black eye and thought to myself 'awww, this ***** don't listen'. :laugh: I think the Dice man said something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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