G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/21/AR2006112101856_pf.html Woman, 92, Dies in Shootout With PoliceThe Associated Press Wednesday, November 22, 2006; 12:18 AM ATLANTA -- A 92-year-old woman was shot to death Tuesday after she fired at three narcotics officers trying to serve a warrant at her house, officials said. Neighbors and relatives said it must have been a case of mistaken identity. Police said they had the right address. Police said the woman, identified as Kathryn Johnson, was the only person home at the time, and had lived there for about 17 years. As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m., a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman. Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in returning fire when they were fired upon. One was hit in the arm, another in a thigh and the third in a shoulder. The officers were taken to a hospital for treatment, and all three were conscious and alert, police said. Sarah Dozier, identified as a niece of the woman, told WAGA-TV that there were never any drugs at the house. "My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," Dozier said. "There was no reason they had to go in there and shoot her down like a dog." I have mixed emotions on this. I realize that police must defend themselves but it seems like they should have known that a 92 year old woman lived there and could have handled it a lot better then kicking her door down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I dont know too many 90 year old people who actually remember where their piece is. My wifes' grandfather had so many, in so many places, he was bound to come up with one if he had to look. I am confused about your mixed emotions though, obviously she was prepared to defend herself. I need to know if she called 911 or just ran down shooting. Seems silly that cops come in plain clothes when they are on this type of assignment. Guess what ? Anyone comes running in my house (cops or not) when I am taking a nap and I just see random folks running in my house they better have armor and know how to duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 For some reason, i picture the little old lady from the movie... Every which way but loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 A damn shame, another victim of the war on drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 For some reason, i picture the little old lady from the movie... Every which way but loose. Ruth Gordon! R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insomniac Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 not to be the a-hole, but when they knock and announce who they are and have to force entry, its because she didn't let them in. she knew they were cops, and she fired at them. 92 or not, nobody is above the law, and she deserved the return fire. **** happens. i'm tired of people giving BS excuses for trying to kill cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I guarantee the cops yelled over and over "police!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Sad story. In all likelyhood she was senial. Anyway I couldn't help but laugh when I read the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Sad story. In all likelyhood she was senial. Anyway I couldn't help but laugh when I read the thread title. then she could have hurt someone else, so am not losing sleep over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 then she could have hurt someone else, so am not losing sleep over this oh no doubt. she fired first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I have mixed emotions on this. I realize that police must defend themselves but it seems like they should have known that a 92 year old woman lived there and could have handled it a lot better then kicking her door down. So what you're saying is, they shouldn't have gone in there as though they were approaching an armed and dangerous suspect? Edit: Now, I do believe that, whenever possible, cops serving warrants should be in uniform. I'll freely admit that yelling "Police" in an untelligable shout at the same instant that the battering ram is hitting the door is a form of identification that isn't guaranteed to sink in. I'd rather see the folks going in wearing blue suits with "POLICE" four inches tall across their (kevlar-covered) chests. Unfortunately, that method has drawbacks if the Bad Guys have lookouts. So I can understand why my "perfect world" method isn't used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Is no one else impressed that she hit ALL three of the officers at least once? Despite what you see in movies, aiming and hitting your target is not that easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Is no one else impressed that she hit ALL three of the officers at least once? Despite what you see in movies, aiming and hitting your target is not that easy! Yes. I noticed that. I did not want to celebrate someone shooting an officer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_N_Chief Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 If you're not in uniform and scream police until I see a badge, I don't care what you say you are. I could scream I'm Jesus in the flesh but it doesn't make it true. If they were in uniform it would be a different story. They were stupid for going into a house like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I just realized that they were in plain clothes... Hmm.. Another wrinkle. Wish they would've worn uniform, but I don't blame them for firing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I just realized that they were in plain clothes... Hmm.. Another wrinkle. More often than not, they are in plain clothes. I don't quite get how that is a "wrinkle". They do make their badges visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Is no one else impressed that she hit ALL three of the officers at least once? Despite what you see in movies, aiming and hitting your target is not that easy!That's what I was thinking. Who was she, Anny Oakley's granddaughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 More often than not, they are in plain clothes. I don't quite get how that is a "wrinkle". They do make their badges visible. Ahhh, maybe they should just wear uniform to make things safer. I personally didn't know that plain clothes was the norm, and if I was an old lady, I'd be scared, too. I don't own a gun, but I can sort of understand where the lady was coming from. Of course, the results of the investigation may show that she was indeed storing drugs in the house. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Is no one else impressed that she hit ALL three of the officers at least once? Despite what you see in movies, aiming and hitting your target is not that easy! Maybe she had 2 Tek 9's or some crazy sheet like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 What is strange is they never said whether or not they found any drugs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus58 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 What is strange is they never said whether or not they found any drugs... They never said what the warrant was for. Doesn't have to be for drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Are the cops at fault for firing back? No. They were doing the job there were trained and ordered to do when they were fired upon. It is a sad case though. I wonder if it went down as reported, if they did something wrong there is a strong motivation to lie about it. Also the plain clothes thing bothers me but I don't know enough about law enforcement to comment on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 This is tragic. My guess is she either had POS children or grandchildren that lived with her and that's the reason the cops went there only to kill this poor woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVA2Tampa Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Granny's got good shot placement...3 for 3...stupid to shoot at cops, though...that's suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCRunner Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Please. Do you really think they are giving you all the information about this? They are covering their butts. Why do people think they HAD to shoot her? I'd like to know what circumstances prevented them from retreating. They also have these protective shields they can use when they are making these house assaults as well as other protective devices. There's a lot more to know here before anyone can call it. And don't be so quick to believe that they "knocked and announced" before they started an assault on the house. And why anyone is so sure that a 92 year old woman alone in a home actually heard them or was given enough time to distinguish between a home invasion and the execution of a search warrant is beyond me. You think maybe she had to use a hearing aid at that age? You think she actually even had it on just sitting at home alone and wasting her batteries? When someone is battering in your door and rushing in with a ton of police you really think it's so easy to know what's being said or even hear anyone's words? Do you just automatically support the police? They may have been in the right in this case but I'll bet anything that their tactics left much to be desired. So we wait and see. Convenient that the only witness to their actions is now dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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