Larry Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Who knows? Maybe he just put it in a little bit. It happens, man. [ewwwww] He didn't inhale. [/ewwww] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelms Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I honestly had never heard about this guy before. And I honestly could give a rat's ass what he did or did not do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashburnskinsfan Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 He claims he was faithful to his wife ... Is he going to try a Clinton-esque spin and say it's not adultery if it's gay sex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Crazy. To spend so much time criticizing a way of life you're actually involved in yourself -- guy has some issues to work out. Actually in the post-Foley hype, I read an 'op-ed' (internet type) piece from some guy who writes a gay internet magazine. His take was that: a) The GOP stuck with Foley, because Foley was the GOPs type of gay: He was firmly, even violently, in the closet, which is whet the GOP thinks is the 'propper place' for gays. And That this kind of reaction, of the sinner who's (publicly) violently anti-sin, is the kind of conflicted reaction you'd expect from someone who (thinks he's) forced to live his entire life repressing and hiding himself. That Foley's crusade against gay pedophiles was, in fact, a 'symptom' of his closet-hood. I expected, once I started to read the link I'd clicked, and realised I was on a gay editorial website, a rousing condemnation of All Things Republican, but what the guy actually said struck me as actually making sense, and of being rather non-political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I can show you many a verse in context that shows a believer can walk away from the faith. Many in the church are doing it now. The bible speaks very clearly of this its called the apostasy. The two are totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Am I the only one whose gaydar lights up when they show videos of him talking? I'd be willing to put money on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 The two are totally different. really... lets let God know that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Am I the only one whose gaydar lights up when they show videos of him talking? I'd be willing to put money on it. Totally. Dude might as well be wearing a dress. Which is fine. If he would just admit it. And his explanation is hilarious. "I bought Meth from him but then threw it away." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabR Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I wonder if Fred Phelps will picket his church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 really... lets let God know that.... You don't need God to know that. Do you honestly think Mr. Haggard as rejected Jesus Christ as the leader of an Evangelical Org? No. So he can't be an Apostate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Skins Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Unfortunately, there are a lot of phonies in every walk of life, and churches are no different. There is a lot of status (and sometimes a lot of money) that go with being in a leadership position in a large church organization, and it draws charlatans. Anyone who has seen preachers on late night TV promising "God will answer your prayers if you send me money" knows that it is common for crooks to hide behind the cover of religion. As for the Bible, it says people who set themselves up as teachers will be judged much more harshly than others. Guess he's finding that out. Aside from the specifics of this guy's situation, what is most instructive about this story is that it shows how the left operates. The individual making the accusations openly states that it was done for political purposes...4 days before the election. Anybody still think the Democrats didn't know about the Foley stuff way before it was released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Which is worse? Deceiving all the people you love, work with and those that depend on you over an extended period of time. Spending their money on drugs and gay hookers and breaking, or worse, belittling every tenet of what you say you stand for. Or an obviously and unashamedly f'ed up individual using information for political purposes and, I would imagine mostly, a perceived possibility of monetary gain. I'd take the gay meth-head hooker on this one. Though it's not a pleasant choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 You don't need God to know that.Do you honestly think Mr. Haggard as rejected Jesus Christ as the leader of an Evangelical Org? No. So he can't be an Apostate. Rejection by lifestyle. You can't play christian, and not live as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Rejection by lifestyle. You can't play christian, and not live as one. Sorry but that isn't being Apostate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Unfortunately, there are a lot of phonies in every walk of life, and churches are no different. There is a lot of status (and sometimes a lot of money) that go with being in a leadership position in a large church organization, and it draws charlatans. Anyone who has seen preachers on late night TV promising "God will answer your prayers if you send me money" knows that it is common for crooks to hide behind the cover of religion. As for the Bible, it says people who set themselves up as teachers will be judged much more harshly than others. Guess he's finding that out. Aside from the specifics of this guy's situation, what is most instructive about this story is that it shows how the left operates. The individual making the accusations openly states that it was done for political purposes...4 days before the election. Anybody still think the Democrats didn't know about the Foley stuff way before it was released? Give me a break. This is a guy who told millions of people that homosexuality was a sin. Who campaigned against gay marriage. All while he was allegedly paying for gay sex and taking meth. If the allegations are true, then he has no one to blame but himself. His hypocrisy is astounding -- again, if the allegations are true. Is the guy who ratted him out a saint? Far, far from it. Is some of this politically motivated? Of course it is. But to say "what is most instructive about this story is that show how the left operates" is ridiculous. The lack of accountability when it comes to someone's "side" in politics is getting sadder by the day. And that goes for the right and the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Give me a break. This is a guy who told millions of people that homosexuality was a sin. Who campaigned against gay marriage. All while he was allegedly paying for gay sex and taking meth. If the allegations are true, then he has no one to blame but himself. His hypocrisy is astounding -- again, if the allegations are true. Is the guy who ratted him out a saint? Far, far from it. Is some of this politically motivated? Of course it is. But to say "what is most instructive about this story is that show how the left operates" is ridiculous. The lack of accountability when it comes to someone's "side" in politics is getting sadder by the day. And that goes for the right and the left. Give you a break over what? AJ didn't underplay what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 election time brings out the hate more than the Redskins not being above five hundred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 election time brings out the hate more than the Redskins not being above five hundred. Very true. I find this little tidbit incredibly ironic... Haggard on Sunday: "We pray that lies would be exposed" Ted Haggard's Sunday morning sermon last week began with a prayer "that lies would be exposed." In New Life Church's podcast of the October 29 sermon, among Haggard's first words are, "Father, give us grace and mercy. Father, help us this next week and a half as we go into national elections, and Lord we pray for our country. Father, we pray that lies would be exposed. We pray that deception would be exposed. Father, we pray that wisdom would come upon our electorate and that they would think with clarity and with decisiveness, and Lord, that we would be a model for the whole world to see how people can disagree passionately but the rule of law … will prevail." http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/novemberweb-only/144-54.0.html Looks like God answered is prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Give you a break over what?AJ didn't underplay what he did. Maybe AJ didn't, but Haggard sure did. "Yes I bought meth from the gay hooker but I never smoked it and he only gave me a massage". Bwahaha, comedic gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Maybe AJ didn't, but Haggard sure did. "Yes I bought meth from the gay hooker but I never smoked it and he only gave me a massage". Bwahaha, comedic gold. not quite sure what is more disgusting his act or your pleasure of his act. There really is a strange tango with the fringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Sorry but that isn't being Apostate. Apostate means great divorce in the greek. What do you call it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Apostate means great divorce in the greek. What do you call it? Yeah, big difference from someone acting Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations Jones took a lie-detector test Friday, and his answers to questions about whether he had sexual contact with Haggard "indicated deception," said John Kresnick, who administered the test free at the request of a Denver radio station. Jones told reporters afterward: "I am confused why I failed that, other than the fact that I'm totally exhausted." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegationsJones took a lie-detector test Friday, and his answers to questions about whether he had sexual contact with Haggard "indicated deception," said John Kresnick, who administered the test free at the request of a Denver radio station. Jones told reporters afterward: "I am confused why I failed that, other than the fact that I'm totally exhausted." Is that what you focus on here? Did you miss the reports where the guy administering the test said the results were invalid? Did you miss the part where Haggard admitted paying the man to rub his hands over him, and for drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I am only saying if he was saved before then his soul doesn't need saving again. Yeah, big difference from someone acting Christian. so get saved one time, act like you're a christian and no matter what you DO you've got a guaranteed ride into heaven? interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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