BigDave95 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Someone just brought up Marcellus Wiley as an example of a Cowboys' free agent signing bust. It got me wondering... Andre Carter - 6'4", 265 lb defensive end Marcellus Wiley - 6'4" 275 lb defensive end Sack totals for the 4 seasons prior to FA signing: Andre Carter: Marcellus Wiley: 5................ 3 2................ 6 7................13 13 ..............11 Tackle totals for the 4 seasons prior to FA signing: Andre Carter: Marcellus Wiley: 44............... 51 10............... 36 34............... 48 54............... 65 Forced fumbles for the 4 seasons prior to FA signing: Andre Carter: Marcellus Wiley: 0................ 2 1................ 1 1................ 5 3................ 3 Andre Carter is currently 27 years old. Marcellus Wiley was 28 when Dallas signed him. Andre Carter excelled in the 4-3 and his diminished stats were partially attributed to his team's switch to the 3-4. Marcellus Wiley excelled in the 4-3 and his diminished stats were partially attributed to his team's switch to the 3-4. Hmmmmm, makes you wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Troll post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave95 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Troll post. About the response I'd expect if you can't argue with the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish50 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Good point BigDave but you have to remember that when the 9ers switched to the 3-4 defense, Carter was moved to the LB position. Instead of playing the line and going after the QB, he was in a lot of pass coverage situations and just doing what LB's do. Here's a question. I'm assuming Wiley played DE on the 4-3 defense. Since changing to the 3-4 defense, does Wiley still play DE or have they moved him into the LB position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I thought Wiley played end in a 4-3 defense for Dallas. Not sure this post makes much sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEREAFTER Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I don't know if AC will be as big of a bust as Wiley was for the Boys. At the same time, I don't know if he provides the dominating edge rusher that skins fans are expecting. I'm basing this not only on the games that I've watched him play and his declining production but the opinions of 49'ers fans. We'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 He's struggling to make a player acuisition point - Wiley was never moved from DE like Carter was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Wiley was supposed to be a solid two way end for the Cowboys, playing the run and being a solid rusher. I think in this defense that Carter's role will be more specialized. I think he will rush but will also be subbed out for Renaldo Wynn or Demetric Evans when the Redskins play a team with a smash-mouth front line and hammer back. Williams has a way of taking what a player does well and maximizing that while limiting the reps the opposition sees from that player in spots where he can be vulnerable. I can see Carter get 12 or 13 sacks here in 2006 and not play every down at DE. With the depth we have at DE I think that Williams would consider that a victory for his defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-O-G Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Too bad Andre Carter is 6% body fat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave95 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 I thought Wiley played end in a 4-3 defense for Dallas. Not sure this post makes much sense... Wiley had success as a 4-3 DE but when San Diego moved to a 3-4 he was converted to OLB. Same as Carter. When Dallas signed him, they hoped the switch back to the 4-3 would get him back to his old level of production. This was when Dallas was still running the 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I don't know if AC will be as big of a bust as Wiley was for the Boys. At the same time, I don't know if he provides the dominating edge rusher that skins fans are expecting. I'm basing this not only on the games that I've watched him play and his declining production but the opinions of 49'ers fans. We'll see what happens. I also remember when Wiley was a free agent that there was talk of him having a very poor work ethic, a reason his time in Dallas was short lived. At the very least, the same cannot be said for Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave95 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Too bad Andre Carter is 6% body fat I'm glad he looks good in a swimsuit. Can he get to the QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave95 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 He's struggling to make a player acuisition point - Wiley was never moved from DE like Carter was. Wrong. Try again. Refer to above post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I'm not sure how many here have said they're expecting a "dominating edge rusher" in Carter, THA, but you may be more connected. Speaking for myself, and others I can remember reading, we expect improved rushing from the edge, but more importantly another smart, very athletic player to improve us overall. That's pretty much how GW described his vision of Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I don't know if AC will be as big of a bust as Wiley was for the Boys. At the same time, I don't know if he provides the dominating edge rusher that skins fans are expecting. I'm basing this not only on the games that I've watched him play and his declining production but the opinions of 49'ers fans. We'll see what happens. Dominating edge rusher? Who is expecting that? All he needs to do is play the run like he always has (very well) and put pressure on the QB to be a success. Nobody is asking him to be Reggie White. There's enough other good players in the front seven so that he doesn't have to carry the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Wiley had success as a 4-3 DE but when San Diego moved to a 3-4 he was converted to OLB. Same as Carter.When Dallas signed him, they hoped the switch back to the 4-3 would get him back to his old level of production. This was when Dallas was still running the 4-3. Yes, that's right. I now remember he was in a 3-4 in SD before he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Someone just brought up Marcellus Wiley as an example of a Cowboys' free agent signing bust. It got me wondering...Andre Carter - 6'4", 265 lb defensive end Marcellus Wiley - 6'4" 275 lb defensive end Forced fumbles for the 4 seasons prior to FA signing: Andre Carter: Marcellus Wiley: 0................ 2 1................ 1 1................ 5 3................ 3 Hmmmmm, makes you wonder... keep hoping :thumbsup: I mean they are about the same height & weight, and age at the time... though physical condition wasn't anything alike... but hey that doesn't matter Wow that forced fumble stat really confirms your theory :laugh: you can probably get about two dozen DE's with simular stat totals that are closer than the ones you posted... but why be nit picky we won't even discuss coaching, defenses and the quality of DL each played in (Carter will play in)... that will have no barring whatsoever they are exactly the same!!! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I'm not sure how many here have said they're expecting a "dominating edge rusher" in Carter, THA, but you may be more connected. Speking for myself, and others I can rmeber reading, we expect improved rushing from the edge, but more importantly another smart, very athletic player to improve us overall. That's pretty much how GW described his vision of Carter. THA is like Lavar. He has to make things up and or exaggerate in order to argue counterpoints. It's that Arrington me against the world attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 funny how the Wiley signing hasn't continued to linger in the press when they consider Parcells' term in Dallas. seems as if with the Redskins every personnel mistake that has ever been made keeps being brought up even if it occurred before Gibbs' return to the team in 2004 :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Wiley had success as a 4-3 DE but when San Diego moved to a 3-4 he was converted to OLB. Same as Carter.When Dallas signed him, they hoped the switch back to the 4-3 would get him back to his old level of production. This was when Dallas was still running the 4-3. I think the issue that the Boys had with Wiley is that he hit the wall at 30 where he could not play in the 3-4 defense as the hybrid OLB/DE. Carter on the other hand just turned 27 and is going to a system that suits him better than playing in space (as he was in a 3-4 defense last year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Someone just brought up Marcellus Wiley as an example of a Cowboys' free agent signing bust. It got me wondering...Andre Carter - 6'4", 265 lb defensive end Marcellus Wiley - 6'4" 275 lb defensive end Sack totals for the 4 seasons prior to FA signing: Andre Carter: Marcellus Wiley: 5................ 3 2................ 6 7................13 13 ..............11 Tackle totals for the 4 seasons prior to FA signing: Andre Carter: Marcellus Wiley: 44............... 51 10............... 36 34............... 48 54............... 65 Forced fumbles for the 4 seasons prior to FA signing: Andre Carter: Marcellus Wiley: 0................ 2 1................ 1 1................ 5 3................ 3 Andre Carter is currently 27 years old. Marcellus Wiley was 28 when Dallas signed him. Andre Carter excelled in the 4-3 and his diminished stats were partially attributed to his team's switch to the 3-4. Marcellus Wiley excelled in the 4-3 and his diminished stats were partially attributed to his team's switch to the 3-4. Hmmmmm, makes you wonder... I'd be happy to bet you that Carter registers twice as many sacks and plays twice as long as Wiley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave95 Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Wow that forced fumble stat confirms your theory Way to pick the least significant stat in an attempt to make a point. So you feel that a four year tally of a DE's tackles and sacks are no indication of the type of player he is?? I know there's more to it than just numbers but you've got on your Skins' blinders if you can't see the similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Wrong. Try again.Refer to above post... Really? 2003: In final year with San Diego, Wiley finished season with 51 tackles, tied for most on defensive line, and three sacks. Here's the link: http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=24901 Where's your evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Way to pick the least significant stat in an attempt to make a point. So you feel that a four year tally of a DE's tackles and sacks are no indication of the type of player he is??I know there's more to it than just numbers but you've got on your Skins' blinders if you can't see the similarities. His first 3 seasons are far more indicative of the type of player we can expect barring injury. His last two years he was injured and then switched over to a 3-4 LB. Those two crappy years are the crux of your stupid argument. If you feel strongly about your case, then see my above post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 A player doesn't need to be stand out to stand out on our D, just do what your supposed and bang you're a success. There's one difference between the two players right there. Another difference is WRs not being open so early against our D so AC has more time to do his shizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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