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I think Florian will have the same strategy he had with Huerta: do anything he can to not finish the fight and out-point his opponent instead. Stevenson won't stand for it though

Big Daddy by Finish

Agree with you here. I hope Stevenson finishes Florian.

I keep hearing that Lesnar's chin hasn't been tested.
Are you serious that you've heard people saying this? Lol.

Okay, for the main fight, my guy says Lesnar by decision. I don't think that it will go to decision. I see Lesnar taking Couture down by a punch and TKOing Couture in the 3rd round...

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Ill bet you a beer too Katie. straight up I got Randy.

You're picking Couture? I'll definitely bet you a beer AND a shot. How do you see him winning? No way he's submitting Lesnar. He weighed in at 220, he's too small. I don't see him taking Lesnar down really either...Lesnar is just way too good of a wrestler.

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You're picking Couture? I'll definitely bet you a beer AND a shot. How do you see him winning? No way he's submitting Lesnar. He weighed in at 220, he's too small. I don't see him taking Lesnar down really either...Lesnar is just way too good of a wrestler.

too small to submit a guy like Brock? Brock has very limited JJ skills, and did you even see how Mir put him in that basic ass ankle lock?

thats not how I think he will beat him though. He is going to smother him and dirty box him on his feet and then ground and pound him. Brock never did a thing when he knocked down herring, he just laid on top of him.

Randy is WAY too smart to get caught with one of those ham sized punches.

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too small to submit a guy like Brock? Brock has very limited JJ skills, and did you even see how Mir put him in that basic ass ankle lock?

thats not how I think he will beat him though. He is going to smother him and dirty box him on his feet and then ground and pound him. Brock never did a thing when he knocked down herring, he just laid on top of him.

Randy is WAY too smart to get caught with one of those ham sized punches.

That is like saying that Sean Sherk can smother Rampage. Seriously.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brock has better JJ than Randy. I don't believe Randy really trains it, and Brock has been doing a lot of it from what I've read.

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That is like saying that Sean Sherk can smother Rampage. Seriously.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brock has better JJ than Randy. I don't believe Randy really trains it, and Brock has been doing a lot of it from what I've read.

no it isnt, he will be all over and around brock. dude is big but why are you all sold on him being so super strong? seriously.

If he has better JJ then Randy then he has a piss poor way of showing it by letting Mir put him in that sorry ass ankle lock.

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no it isnt, he will be all over and around brock. dude is big but why are you all sold on him being so super strong? seriously.

If he has better JJ then Randy then he has a piss poor way of showing it by letting Mir put him in that sorry ass ankle lock.

I know he is strong because of his crazy workouts and his outstanding collegiate wrestling record.

His JJ sucked then, it is better now. I don't think Mir catches him with that knee bar from that position now. Somehing else, maybe. Mir is awesome at JJ, Randy is not.

Hey, but I guess we're only a few hours away from knowing for sure. At least you guys are. I'll have to wait to late tonight to watch it :gus:

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too small to submit a guy like Brock? Brock has very limited JJ skills, and did you even see how Mir put him in that basic ass ankle lock?

thats not how I think he will beat him though. He is going to smother him and dirty box him on his feet and then ground and pound him. Brock never did a thing when he knocked down herring, he just laid on top of him.

Randy is WAY too smart to get caught with one of those ham sized punches.

Yes, I did see the submission in Lesnar's first UFC fight. Until he got caught in a submission by probably one of the best submission fighters in HW, he was dominating him. Lesnar learned from his mistake in that fight. He was way too anxious and he admitted as such.

I saw the fight against Herring. Lesnar didn't finish him b/c he didn't want to be anxious and make another dumb mistake of getting caught in a submission on the ground. It wasn't that Lesnar COULDN'T have finished him, it was that Lesnar was being overly conservative.

Randy isn't known for his submissions. I doubt if he'll even be able to resoundingly take Brock down, get in a dominant posistion, and be able to ground and pound him. Brock is an incredible wrestler. He's just as good as Randy, in fact, I'd even argue he's better than Randy.

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no it isnt, he will be all over and around brock. dude is big but why are you all sold on him being so super strong? seriously.

If he has better JJ then Randy then he has a piss poor way of showing it by letting Mir put him in that sorry ass ankle lock.

Mike, have you watched Brock's matches in NCAA? His double was unstoppable. This guy is an absolute beast, he's incredibly strong.

As far as his first fight with Mir, again, Mir is a submission specialist...Lesnar had just gotten into the sport. Since then, Lesnar has been working on his ground game a ton. He's not the same naive Lesnar you remember in the 1st fight.

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I know he is strong because of his crazy workouts and his outstanding collegiate wrestling record.

His JJ sucked then, it is better now. I don't think Mir catches him with that knee bar from that position now. Somehing else, maybe. Mir is awesome at JJ, Randy is not.

Hey, but I guess we're only a few hours away from knowing for sure. At least you guys are. I'll have to wait to late tonight to watch it :gus:

there is a HUGE difference between gym strong and endurance strong.

his JJ hasnt improved that much in that short a period of time. not working out in the woods in MN.

Mir awesome at JJ? :silly:

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Mike, have you watched Brock's matches in NCAA? His double was unstoppable. This guy is an absolute beast, he's incredibly strong.

As far as his first fight with Mir, again, Mir is a submission specialist...Lesnar had just gotten into the sport. Since then, Lesnar has been working on his ground game a ton. He's not the same naive Lesnar you remember in the 1st fight.

Katie, I followed him all thru the WWE when he was doing moonsaws as well. then followed him to the Vikings where he failed. I know Brock Lesnar very well. have you seen Randy's ears? He isnt a slouch either in wrassling so dont think that because Brock was good in college he is going to beat someone in MMA.

Specialist? Mir was just trying to save his career from going in the toilet because he had taken so long off from that motorcycle accident.

The second fight he had no JJ, what excuse you got there? he caught him with that big shot and then laid on him. sure he stayed behind him like any good wrestler should, but that dont mean **** when you arent doing damage.

edit: doubles can be stopped with a simple knee to the dome. ask the hawaiian dude (**** i cant remember his name) that shamrock caught with it. you cant knee to the dome in wrassling.

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there is a HUGE difference between gym strong and endurance strong.

his JJ hasnt improved that much in that short a period of time. not working out in the woods in MN.

Mir awesome at JJ? :silly:

he brought Rodrigo Medeiros out to the woods of MN to train him in JJ. its not like he's trying to learn offensive moves right now, he's mainly focused on sub D. Medeiros said in an interview he's really concentrating on sub D and the only offense moves they were doing were americana's and kimura's

everybody assumes if the fight goes deep, it will be lesnar who fades first, i'm not so sure i agree with that line of thinking

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he brought Rodrigo Medeiros out to the woods of MN to train him in JJ. its not like he's trying to learn offensive moves right now, he's mainly focused on sub D. Medeiros said in an interview he's really concentrating on sub D and the only offense moves they were doing were americana's and kimura's

everybody assumes if the fight goes deep, it will be lesnar who fades first, i'm not so sure i agree with that line of thinking

when youre that big and trying to move around for that long a period of time you fatigue. randy is an endurance machine...and always has been

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Katie, I followed him all thru the WWE when he was doing moonsaws as well. then followed him to the Vikings where he failed. I know Brock Lesnar very well. have you seen Randy's ears? He isnt a slouch either in wrassling so dont think that because Brock was good in college he is going to beat someone in MMA.

Specialist? Mir was just trying to save his career from going in the toilet because he had taken so long off from that motorcycle accident.

The second fight he had no JJ, what excuse you got there? he caught him with that big shot and then laid on him. sure he stayed behind him like any good wrestler should, but that dont mean **** when you arent doing damage.

Well, first of all, there's no way to judge a dude's true wrestling ability watching his fights on WWE. Furthermore, Brock was last cut from the Vikings after having not played in college...that kind of speaks to his level of athleticism right there.

I've watched Randy since he entered the UFC, and you are right, he is an incredible wrestler. Brock is too, his work ethic and training is comparable to Randy's. I've watched a lot of Brock's NCAA matches as Matt sent a bunch to me when Lesnar first joinged the UFC. After watching those and hearing Matt talk about his personal experience with the guy, I quickly realized that it was only a matter of time before Lesnar started dominating. And I'll agree that Randy is a very intelligent fighter, but just because Brock made mistakes in his first fight against Mir doesn't mean that he hasn't hired a team of trainers to work with him in his gym since that fight. One of the things Lesnar is best known for is his quick assimilation of athletic skills...and lifting anything you want him to. lol

And Mir, yes, he is a submission specialist. One of the best in fact. Check out his UFC career before the motorcycle accident.

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edit: doubles can be stopped with a simple knee to the dome. ask the hawaiian dude (**** i cant remember his name) that shamrock caught with it. you cant knee to the dome in wrassling.

I wasn't meaning that he's going to use doubles in this fight. I was using it in the context that this guy is exceptionally athletic and he was known for certain moves in the NCAA...doubles being one of them. I think his athleticism and ability to dominate in specific areas will translate over well to MMA.

As for his fight with Herring...did he get submitted? Nope. He kept himself from getting submitted. And he didn't work on submitting Herring too much because his BJJ was still weak and he didn't want to make himself vulnerable to a counter submission. I see him doing the same thing in this fight.

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The second fight he had no JJ, what excuse you got there? he caught him with that big shot and then laid on him. sure he stayed behind him like any good wrestler should, but that dont mean **** when you arent doing damage.

Herring's camp said he was pissing blood the next day......thats damage done in my book

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What time is PPV tonight? I might order it.

10pm EST

when youre that big and trying to move around for that long a period of time you fatigue. randy is an endurance machine...and always has been

You are right that Randy has great endurance. But Lesnar's no slouch either. You have to have just a little endurance to reach such an elite level in the NCAA

im off work..katie expect a text!!

Mike, expect a soon to be intoxicated reply. :D

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he brought Rodrigo Medeiros out to the woods of MN to train him in JJ. its not like he's trying to learn offensive moves right now, he's mainly focused on sub D. Medeiros said in an interview he's really concentrating on sub D and the only offense moves they were doing were americana's and kimura's
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"Yeah, I'd like to order the UFC event"

"Okay, that is $44.95."

"Okay."

"Would you like it in HD?"

"Of course!"

"Okay, the total will be $54.95."

"Are you ****ing kidding me?"

"No"

"Give it to me in HD, but **** you."

LOL Go Randy!

that was wrong but still :rotflmao:

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