Anything MMA, except thumb wrestling

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

Nice signature, Herrmag. :laugh:

[ZoEd]

Because, as you said, it's illegal. They test for a myriad of things that aren't necessarily "performance enhancers". He should've known better. If he wasn't such an arrogant prick, he wouldn't have. All I can say is Nick better stick to fighting LW's. He doesn't have much of a future against guys heavier/stronger than he is. And yes, I don't like him, as you can tell. :mad:

He beat you up and take your lunch money?

I know it's illegal but so isn't speeding and a myriad of other things wonder if they test for those. Do they check his computer to see if there's kiddie porn? Seriously, if it doesn't enhance a fighters abilities why doe they give a damn what he does? Steroids, coke, HGH, meth yes, pot no, that's just stupid.

[Cooked Crack]

Is UFC 68 on the internets yet? I cant find it.

Since it was on the air.

[Baculus]

You can find UFC 68 via torrents, if you poke about.

I am also a bit worried about PRIDE was well; I really do enjoy their shows and the quality of their fighters. I'd be a terrible shame for MMA around the world if that league folds.

[lovetoaster]

I am also a bit worried about PRIDE was well; I really do enjoy their shows and the quality of their fighters. I'd be a terrible shame for MMA around the world if that league folds.

I am more of a UFC fan than PRIDE, but I don't want to see PRIDE go anywhere. I am worried because from what I have heard, they are in a lot of trouble. As much as I like UFC, they need competition, and the only legitimate source for that is PRIDE. They are also really the only other quality MMA that can be widely seen right now. I might watch IFL occasionally, but EliteXC sucks IMHO.

[Sebowski]

He beat you up and take your lunch money?

I know it's illegal but so isn't speeding and a myriad of other things wonder if they test for those. Do they check his computer to see if there's kiddie porn? Seriously, if it doesn't enhance a fighters abilities why doe they give a damn what he does? Steroids, coke, HGH, meth yes, pot no, that's just stupid.

:applause:

Not to mention fighters that have been found guilty of other crimes. Lee Murray just got a jail sentence for robbery, but it has nothing to do with fighting, so he won't be suspended or fined for it from an MMA standpoint.

Marijuana has zero to do with MMA. Funny that an athlete (fighter or football player) can can take Novocaine or Vicodin to null a pain so they can perform, but they can't smoke weed after practice.

[herrmag]

:applause:

Not to mention fighters that have been found guilty of other crimes. Lee Murray just got a jail sentence for robbery, but it has nothing to do with fighting, so he won't be suspended or fined for it from an MMA standpoint.

Marijuana has zero to do with MMA. Funny that an athlete (fighter or football player) can can take Novocaine or Vicodin to null a pain so they can perform, but they can't smoke weed after practice.

Actually, if a fighter had a prescription for marijuana, it would be legal. Hence, I don't understand your comparison. Marijuana is illegal, regardless of whether or not you think it should be. Novocaine/Vicodin, with a prescription, are legal. Novocaine/Vicodin help alleviate pain, but don't make a fighter better, hence why they're not banned. Marijuana is banned for everyone in this country.

As for Lee Murray; if MMA is ever to be considered a real "sport" in the U.S., people like him SHOULD be suspended. Football players, b-ball players, etc, all get suspended for crimes. Despite MMA's recent popularity, I think many of the casual fans don't consider it a sport on the same terms as the big 4 in this country. Most just like to watch guys beat the **** out of each other.

[Chachie]

Because, as you said, it's illegal. They test for a myriad of things that aren't necessarily "performance enhancers". He should've known better. If he wasn't such an arrogant prick, he wouldn't have. All I can say is Nick better stick to fighting LW's. He doesn't have much of a future against guys heavier/stronger than he is. And yes, I don't like him, as you can tell. :mad:

I think what the article said was that they test for marijuana because it slows reflexes and a fighter puts HIMSELF in danger by using it, not his opponent.

Also, herrmag- In a sport like UFC, most fighters wouldn't have much of a future fighting bigger opponents than themselves. (Other than "The Natural," of course. )

Even in defeat, Nick has shown MAD skills both on the ground and standing. I think he's technically one of the best in the game. He does NOT get submitted or KOed against these bigger fighters and took care of Gomi in a fight where he was considered a heavy underdog.

I'm not trying to convince you to like him but I dig Diaz. I relate to a smaller fighter who can hang with the big boys.

[herrmag]

I think what the article said was that they test for marijuana because it slows reflexes and a fighter puts HIMSELF in danger by using it, not his opponent.

Also, herrmag- In a sport like UFC, most fighters wouldn't have much of a future fighting bigger opponents than themselves. (Other than "The Natural," of course. )

Even in defeat, Nick has shown MAD skills both on the ground and standing. I think he's technically one of the best in the game. He does NOT get submitted or KOed against these bigger fighters and took care of Gomi in a fight where he was considered a heavy underdog.

I'm not trying to convince you to like him but I dig Diaz. I relate to a smaller fighter who can hang with the big boys.

Oh, you'll never hear the words "Nick Diaz isn't talented" ever come from me. He has a ton of talent, surpassed only by his own ego and jackassedness (yeah, that's right, I made that word especially for him). To me he's as disrespectful to his fellow fighters as Tito used to be. I don't like either. However, neither is as good as each one thinks they are.

As far as fighting bigger opponents, I meant fighting in a higher weight class. However, there are weight differences in every class. Some just cut more. Diaz fought someone smaller than him in Gomi, and Gomi still almost knocked him out. If Nick can cut all the way to LW, I think he should, and he should stay there. While he is skilled, he doesn't have much in the way of KO power, and when he fights at the higher weight classes, that's a big disadvantage IMO.

[Chachie]

Oh, you'll never hear the words "Nick Diaz isn't talented" ever come from me. He has a ton of talent, surpassed only by his own ego and jackassedness (yeah, that's right, I made that word especially for him). To me he's as disrespectful to his fellow fighters as Tito used to be. I don't like either. However, neither is as good as each one thinks they are.

As far as fighting bigger opponents, I meant fighting in a higher weight class. However, there are weight differences in every class. Some just cut more. Diaz fought someone smaller than him in Gomi, and Gomi still almost knocked him out. If Nick can cut all the way to LW, I think he should, and he should stay there. While he is skilled, he doesn't have much in the way of KO power, and when he fights at the higher weight classes, that's a big disadvantage IMO.

I also meant higher weight class. I don't pay much attention to the interviews, so I hadn't heard he was disrespectful to other fighters. I'm not a big fan of that type of attitude either. Tito ticks me off when he acts like that.

As far as KO power goes, did you see Nick fight Robbie Lawler? BAM. One punch decided that one.

[ZoEd]

Jackassedness, Herrmag my friend that's quite an outstanding word, may I use it from time to time? I understand your dislike for Diaz I just like rooting for the underdog and it seems like every fight they throw at him he's considered to be just that. Yet, like Chachie said, even in defeat Diaz show's some serious skill and I've never ever seen the guy give up in a fight.

Still don't see what that has to do with Mary Jane. Why do they even test for it? They should be testing for performance enhancing drugs that's it. If a dude wants to get his ass kicked and smoke a bowl that should be his perogative. Like I said there are plenty of things not related to MMA that people do that are illegal and if they don't investigate them, why test for pot? I just don't understand it, that's all.

[herrmag]

I also meant higher weight class.

Then I guess I don't understand. What I was originally trying to say is that when Nick fights at WW, he is usually taller while his opponents are generally stronger and bigger muscle-wise, and we all know how he has faired lately against welterweights.

I don't pay much attention to the interviews, so I hadn't heard he was disrespectful to other fighters. I'm not a big fan of that type of attitude either.

It's not just in interviews, etc. He does it during his fights. He takes being ****y and showboating to the Muhammad Ali level. Some people like it. I think it's a sign of pure idiocy.

As far as KO power goes, did you see Nick fight Robbie Lawler? BAM. One punch decided that one.

I'm sure Royce Gracie has had a knockout or two, but I wouldn't consider him having KO power. Lil' Nog got knocked out by what looked to be almost a phantom punch. If you get hit in the right spot, you don't always need a lot of power. Diaz had free reign to tee of on Gomi, and he couldn't KO a guy that walks around at least 10 pounds (maybe more) lighter than him. Gomi's hands were at his sides. The only reason Gomi lost was pure exhaustion.

Again, Diaz is talented, but if he doesn't start producing in his own weight class, what's the point of fighting? He'll never get a belt.

[ZoEd]

THIS JUST IN! I just saw on the local news here in Vegas that Tito and Dana White are going to fight. No TV, no PPV just the two of them going at it. Haven't heard what the dealio is yet but I'll let you all know.

[lovetoaster]

THIS JUST IN! I just saw on the local news here in Vegas that Tito and Dana White are going to fight. No TV, no PPV just the two of them going at it. Haven't heard what the dealio is yet but I'll let you all know.

Here you go:

Click link to read full story...

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Mar/05/br/br8160359742.html

Nevada OK's UFC chief Dana White vs. Tito Ortiz bout

Associated Press

LAS VEGAS — Nevada regulators today approved an unusual grudge match between Ultimate Fighting Championship president Dana White and the "bad boy" of Huntington Beach, Calif., Tito Ortiz.

White is the 37-year-old president of the mixed-martial arts promotion company that has become a heavyweight in the pay-per-view business. Ortiz (15-5-0) is one of its toughest, most popular combatants.

Ortiz made the three-round match — in which both fighters will box only, no grappling — a condition of his recent contract negotiations. White was once Ortiz' manager, but the two "had a real bad falling out" in 2003, White said.

[Sebowski]

ESPN did an excellent chat with Coutre. You have to be an insider so I'll post th whole thing even though it is long. Maybe I'll edit it out in a week or so.

Complete ESPN Chat Transcript with Randy Couture

Christina, NY: Congratulations! The fight was incredible. How much of an impact do you think Tim's supposed "injury" made on his fight, if any? And how do you feel about him making a remark like that?

Randy Couture: (1:38 PM ET ) Well I don't know anything about his injury, and I don't know about any athlete who doesn't always have to deal with injuries. I think it was hard for Tim, and I don't think he helped himself with the fans with what looked like an excuse.

Dan- Omaha, NE: In your opinion who would be a tougher opponent Mirko CroCop or Fedor?

Randy Couture: (1:38 PM ET ) Both are very tough, Fedor is a much more well-rounded fighter so he would be a tougher fight.

Eric (Charlotte): Randy, how do you continue to stay in such great shape? What is your eating/training routine that allows you to continue to beat guys younger than you?

Randy Couture: (1:40 PM ET ) I think I have been very fortunate as far as not getting major injuries. I don't know if there is any explanation . As far as diet I stay away from dairy and eat a lot of raw greens.

Diego, CA: Do you think the UFC has more talent than Pride FC at this moment now?

Randy Couture: (1:41 PM ET ) Well it is hard top say. Everyone is asking this question. And it is a little bit like comparing the NFL and CFL so it is hard to estimate. We won't be able to tell until we get some crossovers, but there are great fighters on both sides.

Christian - Los Angeles: Hey Champ, I understand you signed a 4 fight deal with UFC. Will you call it quits after the deal is played out or are you leaning towards signing another deal? And on the scoring of the fight...Why wasn't the first round considered a 10 - 8 round after you landed the big right hand and knocked Sylvia down to start the onslaught? Thanks Randy, that was one sweet PPV special. WOW!

Randy Couture: (1:43 PM ET ) I don't know , it is way too early to make that call right now. I may not even finish all four fights I have on the contract right now. As far a the 10-8, I think there was a case there, but it is different from boxing so there is room for debate there, but it is hard to say what the judges think.

Scott Edmonotn Alberta: Why is there no talk of a rematch with Tim Sylvia?

Randy Couture: (1:44 PM ET ) Well the fight just happened, and it was a dominating performance, so I think Tim would have to go fight someone else and reach contender status again.

Chuck (Burbank, IL): Do you ever think you'll move down a class again to challenge Liddell for a fourth time?

Randy Couture: (1:45 PM ET ) I mean it is more likely that Chuck will move up to heavyweight to challenge me and I am not opposed to it as long as people want to see it.

Matt Roswell NM: What is the most difficult part of your training? Great win Sat night against the Maineiac.....

Randy Couture: (1:46 PM ET ) Thank you very much Matt. I don't know what is harder, because all of it is hard. But you get used to it, and I actually love it. The hardest part I guess was having to go up against all those heavyweights at the start of training who came into to help me prepare for this fight.

dave - Montreal : tito is fighting UFC president dana white in a boxing match, would you also love the opportunity to punch dana white ?

Randy Couture: (1:47 PM ET ) No I am not really interested in fighting Dana. I think this whole thing stems from a rumor that Dana and Tito had boxed and Dana had beat Tito, so I think this is a chance for Tito to set the record straight. I think it is pretty interesting I hope I get the chance to attend.

JAMES NY: hey randy big fan. just wondering which fight was a more satisfying win for you...beating tito for the lightheavy belt or this win against sylvia to regain the heavyweight belt?

Randy Couture: (1:49 PM ET ) well both were very satisfying. Obviously Tito with the persona that he has and the whole spanking thing, was definetaly one of the top performqances of my life. But this was special too, being a three to one underdog and coming back and all.

David Kuepper : Long Beach, CA: You said that at your age, everytime you come into a bout now you're looked at as an underdog. Does it bother you and does if fuel you more mentally than if you weren't looked at as an underdog?

Randy Couture: (1:50 PM ET ) It does not bother me at all. I have come to expect it at this point. So this situation is no different, and I seem to thrive in that underdog spot.

Pete Nelson (Irvine, CA.): First off congratulations on Saturday's win. Simply amazing. During your fight with Tim you wore a black knee protector, with your stance leaving your left leg as your lead. How will you change that style against Mirko Cro Cop, since he will undoubtedly be kicking more to your legs than Tim did?

Randy Couture: (1:52 PM ET ) Well I wore the knee protector because I have a very sore left knee, I'm not sure if anything is torn or sprained. I won't change my stance for CroCop, but I will change my footwork. It will be interesting to see how this plays out since he knows I have good take down skills, and if he will be willing to pick his feet up.

Samantha (Cobourg, ON, Canada): What made you want to come out of retirement and go straight for the championship?

Randy Couture: (1:53 PM ET ) It wasn't so much about the championship as much as it was the match-up. The championship was somethign extra. I liked the match-up with Tim, and thought it was an interesting challenge and that is what it came down to.

bill simmons (IL): Let's say you're in charge of the fight card. What two fighters would be in your main event? Who would win?

Randy Couture: (1:55 PM ET ) Well I think the thing that makes our events interesting is you are not sure who would win. I don't know who I would pick, or what weight class, there are a lot of great fighters out there...that is a tough question. I can't really say right now.

Ty Demaree Versailles, Indiana: Randy, I know you were in great shape for your comeback fight against Tim silvia, How can you compare the training now, in comparison to when you were, say, 25 years old? Is it alot harder to get into fighting shape at your current age? thanks.

Randy Couture: (1:57 PM ET ) Well it was this time because I had been out for a year, not that I was not doing anything, but I usually keep my fitness regiment pretty high so it is not too hard. But at 43 I am afraid that if I stopped training it could be a big problem. It also helps being a little older in that I am wiser.

Nathan Chatsworth, Georgia: Randy, Fedor says you are his hero, is there any chance that Fedor and yourself will ever face off? I know the fans would love to see that.

Randy Couture: (1:58 PM ET ) I don't know if that will ever happen, since he has a contract with Pride, and that would keep him from coming to UFC. But I am pretty excited to see him fight in April.

Jeremy R Ohio: Randy - First off its great to see ESPN finally begin to recognize the UFC. I've always said that the UFC could take over boxing as American's new "sweet science." Also congrats on the title, I was there and loved it! Onto my question, are you worried at all that this stint as champ may be shorter than your other reigns considering that this one was won after you had retired? In other words, do you think you will be able to remain as focused as you were for the Sylvia match (total butt kicking) for the rest of your upcoming Title Defenses?

Randy Couture: (2:00 PM ET ) I treat every fight the same, so I don't think my mental preparation will change.

Mark (Des Moines, IA): First of all, congrats on a great performance! I really enjoy you as a commentator, will you be commentating again?

Randy Couture: (2:01 PM ET ) Yes, as long as I am not fighting on the card I will be commentating, so I will be commentating in Houston and all the other PPV I am not in, and Thanks!

Mark ((New Brunswick, NJ)): Do you think Matt Lindland has a chance to beat Fedor? I think it's awesome that you, Matt, and Dan Henderson all are having great success moving up in weight. Greco guys!

Randy Couture: (2:02 PM ET ) Well I absolutely think Matt has a chance. So people may count him out, but not me. He is a junk yard dog and has no fear. He brings it everytime he fights.

Randy Couture: (2:05 PM ET ) That is all the time I have for today. But thank you for all your support and I look forward to getting back into the Octagon this summer.

[Baculus]

Awesome, Sebowski; thanks for posting that interview.

[herrmag]

Agreed, thanks for the interview!!

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

Very good questions in that interview!!! Thanks Sebowski.

[Chachie]

Again, Diaz is talented, but if he doesn't start producing in his own weight class, what's the point of fighting? He'll never get a belt.

Not if he keeps getting caught huffing weed, anyway.

[Sebowski]

Very good questions in that interview!!! Thanks Sebowski.

No problem. One of the better interviews with a fighter I have seen, and it was conducted by fans. This is one sport where the fans no more than the media at this point, though I no most of us know more abot football than some of those ESPN and SI guys too. :soapbox: How They keep Monk out of the...... I'll save that for another thread.

Here is a really good interview with Dana "its good to be" White.

He talks about Pride, Vera, Tito, TV deals, ect... I like White. He never backs down from questions.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/boxing/story/10050453

One highlight of the interview:

Q: What's the latest with HBO, and will UFC 70 be televised on HBO or PPV?

DW: I don't have the deal done yet, but UFC 70 will be on free television. It's going to be a free TV deal for the fans here in the U.S.

Q: Is it going to be on Spike?

DW: Let's see, yup. I'm the one that's always chirping about how all these guys that destroyed boxing. Everything was f------ you've got to pay for this, you've got to pay for that. I don't like to make the fans pay for every fight we have. I like to have a lot of good fights for free, and this is a great fight that we'd be giving to the fans for free.

Q: Is UFC 70 definitely going to be on Spike, or might it be on a different network?

DW: It's probably going to be on Spike.

:point2sky

BTW, here is the card for UFC 70 so far:

-Mirko Cro Cop (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

-Andrei Arlovski (#7 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Fabricio Werdum (#8 Heavyweight in the World)*

-Ryoto Machida vs. Forrest Griffin

-Michael Bisping vs. Elvis Sinosic

-Assuerio Silva vs. Cheick Kongo

-Dennis Siver vs. Jess Liaudin

-Alessio Sakara vs. Victor Valimaki

-David Lee vs. TBA

:point2sky :point2sky :point2sky :point2sky

[SkinsOrlando]

Free UFC, Hell Yeah!!!

[Chachie]

BTW, here is the card for UFC 70 so far:

-Mirko Cro Cop (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

-Andrei Arlovski (#7 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Fabricio Werdum (#8 Heavyweight in the World)*

-Ryoto Machida vs. Forrest Griffin

-Michael Bisping vs. Elvis Sinosic

-Assuerio Silva vs. Cheick Kongo

-Dennis Siver vs. Jess Liaudin

-Alessio Sakara vs. Victor Valimaki

-David Lee vs. TBA

These look like easy matches for the bigger names, perhaps Dana knows that his fanbase is getting smarter about paying for fight's like these. (Except me, I pay for them all.) Also- I wonder how many of these fights will actually make the broadcast.

Thanks for the heads-up, Sebowski. Good stuff.

btw- How many of you guys think Forrest Griffin will continue winning a lot of matches? I love his toughness and his sense of humor- he's a fan fave, but he doesn't seem to make a lot of technical progress. He's sloppy and it got him KOed vs. Jardine.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

btw- How many of you guys think Forrest Griffin will continue winning a lot of matches? I love his toughness and his sense of humor- he's a fan fave, but he doesn't seem to make a lot of technical progress. He's sloppy and it got him KOed vs. Jardine.

I think Forrest will become a really good fighter. He almost hilariously accepts the fact that every fight he's in blood is going to be flying everywhere. You can see it in his face and eyes. He loves to entertain, and one day that spark will burst in him when he wants to make a run.

If he wants to become a consistant fighter, he's going to need to become way sharper and dynamic with his defense, jui jitsu, among other things.

[ZoEd]

I don't know WTF happened with Forrest in that Jardine fight. Jardine has never impressed me. Just goes to show that if you get caught just right anybody can knock your ass out.

[Sebowski]

These look like easy matches for the bigger names, perhaps Dana knows that his fanbase is getting smarter about paying for fight's like these. (Except me, I pay for them all.) Also- I wonder how many of these fights will actually make the broadcast.

Thanks for the heads-up, Sebowski. Good stuff.

btw- How many of you guys think Forrest Griffin will continue winning a lot of matches? I love his toughness and his sense of humor- he's a fan fave, but he doesn't seem to make a lot of technical progress. He's sloppy and it got him KOed vs. Jardine.

I don't know.

I have the Arlovski fight pretty even. Werdum is very good.

Forrest is going to lose to Machida. Machida has beaten Bonar, Franklin, and Penn. He is also undefeated.

Bisping and Cro Cop have easy ones.

After Forrest losses to Machida I don;t know what is next for him. Maybe he can cut to 185? He doesn't look bigger than Franklin.