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[HRNY4ZRNY]

OK so this is my really quick vision on Wrestlemania if I got to book it. Let me state a few things first.

 

1. WWE needs new stars that can be top guys for the next 10 years. They cannot keep relying on the past. Passing the torch needs to happen so The Undertaker needs to lose to someone that has tons of potential but isn't quite their yet. I don't want him to face Cena or Brock. They simply do not NEED it. So my Wrestlemania 30 main event is....

 

 

 

The Undertaker vs. Bray Wyatt w/ Rowan and Harper NO DQ

 

 

 

Bray Wyatt needs to be the biggest heel in the business and carry the WWE for the next 10 years. The match will be great the lead up to the match will be dark and awesome and I will give Bray the win.

 

 

Now what to do with Daniel Bryan...

 

 

 

 

Daniel Bryan vs. Brock Lesnar winner will be #1 Contender for WWE World Championship and get a title match @ Backlash.

 

 

 

 

This is David vs. Goliath, this is full timer- deserving superstar vs. part timer that feels entitled. The lead up to this with the YES chant and Paul Heyman will be great. Bryan gets the win and Brock goes nuts.

 

 

 

 

What to do with the WWE Championship?

 

 

 

 

Beg CM Punk to come back and the title match should be a fatal four way elimination match.

 

 

 

 

Randy Orton © vs. John Cena vs. Batista vs. CM Punk

 

 

 

 

Orton should be first to get eliminated and we know we have a new WWE Champion. Cena is eliminated next and it comes down to Batista vs. Punk. Batista uses heel tactics and wins the title. NEW WWE Champ.

 

 

 

 

So that means @ Backlash you have Bryan vs. Batista. EPIC especially with the real life feel behind it. (Batista jealous of Daniels popularity.)

 

 

 

 

Sting needs to be involved with the Shield. Baseball bat and all.

 

 

 

 

Hogan should be Wrestlemania host like The Rock was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you think?

Edited February 1, 2014 by HRNY4ZRNY

[jobaga]

OK so this is my really quick vision on Wrestlemania if I got to book it. Let me state a few things first.

 

1. WWE needs new stars that can be top guys for the next 10 years. They cannot keep relying on the past. Passing the torch needs to happen so The Undertaker needs to lose to someone that has tons of potential but isn't quite their yet. I don't want him to face Cena or Brock. They simply do not NEED it. So my Wrestlemania 30 main event is....

 

 

 

The Undertaker vs. Bray Wyatt w/ Rowan and Harper NO DQ

 

 

 

Bray Wyatt needs to be the biggest heel in the business and carry the WWE for the next 10 years. The match will be great the lead up to the match will be dark and awesome and I will give Bray the win.

 

 

Now what to do with Daniel Bryan...

 

 

 

 

Daniel Bryan vs. Brock Lesnar winner will be #1 Contender for WWE World Championship and get a title match @ Backlash.

 

 

 

 

This is David vs. Goliath, this is full timer- deserving superstar vs. part timer that feels entitled. The lead up to this with the YES chant and Paul Heyman will be great. Bryan gets the win and Brock goes nuts.

 

 

 

 

What to do with the WWE Championship?

 

 

 

 

Beg CM Punk to come back and the title match should be a fatal four way elimination match.

 

 

 

 

Randy Orton © vs. John Cena vs. Batista vs. CM Punk

 

 

 

 

Orton should be first to get eliminated and we know we have a new WWE Champion. Cena is eliminated next and it comes down to Batista vs. Punk. Batista uses heel tactics and wins the title. NEW WWE Champ.

 

 

 

 

So that means @ Backlash you have Bryan vs. Batista. EPIC especially with the real life feel behind it. (Batista jealous of Daniels popularity.)

 

 

 

 

Sting needs to be involved with the Shield. Baseball bat and all.

 

 

 

 

Hogan should be Wrestlemania host like The Rock was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you think?

Not bad...But, I would bring back the Money in the Bank match to start off Wrestlemania with Daniel Bryan winning and cashing in on Batista to win the Championship to close out the show with the yes chant and confetti. It may be predictable but it would be great for the fans...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Bwen there, done that with Cornette shoots

 

He does a weekly podcast on MLW that is surprisingly good. He's not as natural as Steve Austin is (in all honesty, Austin might have my favorite podcast right now), and he has some weird need to put all his advertising and plugs in the first 8 minutes every week, but it's been a lot more loose and fun than I expected. I was afraid it was just going to be bitter wrestling rants and ill-informed anti-Republican rants.

 

But it's turned into this fun little look at old Southern wrestling and weird Southern culture. He's had really fun, loose interviews with Bill Dundee and Bobby Fulton that are a cool little view into how the Southern territories used to work. And he's had two interviews with this dude Kenny Bolin that have been weirdly fascinating. Bolin appears to be a childhood friend of Corny's who was a manager for a while in OVW and has gone through life as this weird, Southern character. He's somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 pounds. It appears he's never had a real job. He may be currently conning his way into marrying some woman in the Phillipines who may or may not be inheriting a sugar plantation. His father was the last man in Kentucky to ever be convicted of cattle rustling. He has several names and Social Security numbers and doesn't seem to know which one is the real one. He seems like someone I would have grown up with actually.

 

Corny has only really gone off on one big rant so far and it was directed at Kevin Steen and ROH who had just put out a shoot talking about how Jim had ruined ROH - so at least it was a justified response. And it was actually well stated. The issue was that Cornette was trying to turn ROH in OVW. Cornette admitted to using OVW talent on shows in the midwest and south because 1) the local fans would know them, 2) those guys actually hustled and sold tickets, and 3) ROH didn't have the money to fly talent to cities outside the Northeast. And the OVW talent always did the job despite being better known in the arenas. He really goes into the behind the scenes stuff at ROH and it's a great view at why it is next to impossible to start a successful wrestling company these days.

 

They could only play small halls and could never really sell them out so they had to travel with this expensive set dressing to make the tv show look good. They once booked a hall in Milwaukee that was on the second floor and didn't have an elevator. So they had to carry the ring up the stairs.

 

The most interesting thing to me is how difficult actually getting a good wrestling ring is.

[Mr. Sinister]

I love when he shoots on Johnny Ace (Laurinaitis)

 

NSFW Language...

 

Just watched this. Man, that was awesome. 

 

Classic Cornette

[Gallen5862]

http://www.examiner.com/article/wwe-rumors-sting-heading-to-wwe-to-possibly-be-a-general-manager

 

WWE rumors: Sting heading to WWE to possibly be a general manager

 

 

The WWE and Sting are close to agreeing on a deal to bring the long-time WCW and TNA superstar to the WWE for the first time in his career. While he is not expected to wrestle at "Wrestlemania 30," Bleacher Report reported on Feb. 1 that the WWE might consider introducing him as the new general manager.

The idea is for Sting to wrestle in the WWE and possibly play a large role at "Wrestlemania 31." There is a chance that the WWE will hold Sting out until after this year's Wrestlemania event, but if they do bring him in, this could be a way to introduce him to the WWE Universe.

Of course, most older WWE fans know exactly who Sting is. It is the kids who don't pay attention to TNA who might have no idea who Sting is.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Oh...yay...a new authority figure.

 

That's new and original.

[Mr. Sinister]

Sting as an authority figure sounds complete un-Sting. This is going to suck.

 

Wtf is Vince's problem? Why can't the dude come in as simply Sting, with WWE creative working around it?

[IceDragon38]

Sting as an authority figure? No.  First of all, I'm tired of the whole general manager, supervisor, authority angle...it's been done literally since the 90s.  Vince McMahon, Mick Foley, HBK, Austin, a ****ing computer, Vickie, AJ, Brad, Coach, Bischoff, Booker T, Mike Adamle, the list goes on.  Who gives a **** who is boss? Let em wrestle.

 

As much as I wanted Sting in WWE it's too late now.  How old is the guy?  It would be dumb for us to boo Batista, Lesnar, etc for taking part time gigs, then cheering when he takes a spot that could go to someone who deserves it. 

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Someone wants to see Bray Wyatt beat Taker at Mania?

 

Da****?

After re-watching 1997-98 era WCW, Luger may be the most overrated wrestler of all time.

[KDawg]

I'm interested in having a "Jack Tunney" type be the "commissioner" of the entire WWE as a whole. Or "general manager", whatever you want to call him. He doesn't make appearances all the time, he's not always seen, but he's mentioned in a mostly positive light and it's always implied that he has his hands on the product and is monitoring it.

 

I remember back in the day, when Tunney came on screen you knew there was going to be a fairly big announcement. Tunney was known, but he wildly popular. The WWF didn't need to trot him out onto stage for an effect. He sat in his "office" and gave his declarations. THAT'S the kind of authority figure I want.

 

They won't ever go that route, given that HHH is the authority figure now, and Vince is prominent. But I think they could still make a Tunney type character work even with HHH/Steph/Vince involvement.

 

HHH/Steph/Vince don't mettle in the new guys decisions. They let it roll. The Vince/HHH/Steph stuff is purely in regards to the things that they are involved with.

 

But, the biggest catch with a Tunney character is he can't be famous (Sting), or an aspiring wrestler (Maddox). He needs to be a virtually anonymous (someone with wrestling connections works, but he can't be some huge name) person within the business. And he needs to be a tweener. Do what's "best for business".

 

That's what I think they're trying to do with HHH. I like the fact that he's about what's "best for business", and while he's mostly a heel, he does things that the fans sometimes approve of as well, because he knows what's "best for business". The problem is that it's HHH and he's heavily involved in storylines.

 

But I too have had enough of the authority storylines and such.

[LeesburgSkinFan]

The best authority figure in wrestling history was Bill Watts in Mid South/UWF between 1980-87. 

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

The best authority figure in wrestling history was Bill Watts in Mid South/UWF between 1980-87. 

 

He was great, but I don't think that will fly now.

 

The best was obviously Vince during the Austin years. I think you can make the argument that Vince was the greatest heel of all time for that work. He had credibility (because you knew he actually did own the company) and he was not afraid to show ass. Everything else has been a copy of a copy (though Johnny Ace was actually pretty good in retrospect). 

 

The HHH and Stephanie stuff doesn't work because people don't love to hate Steph; they either just hate her or are indifferent towards her. And, besides, in the PG era, she can't get her comeuppance anyway. HHH could probably be good at this, but he can't seem to keep his character straight from segment to segment. Sometimes, he's a heel. Sometimes, he's a face. Sometimes, he is playing that Jack Tunney straight shooter role. In all honesty, the best thing that could do with HHH is just make him a wrestler again. State the obvious: HHH believes that the face of the WWW should be.......HHH.

[Gallen5862]

This shows how the original 4 Horsemen were founded.

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1950006-full-career-retrospective-and-greatest-moments-for-the-four-horsemen

 

Edited February 9, 2014 by Gallen5862

[DM72]

I miss 6:05pm Saturday night.

[Mr. Sinister]

Speaking of Vince, it is amazing, looking back on things, just how much that "Mr. McMahon" character was birthed by Bret Hart and the Montreal screwjob, and the arrival of Stone Cold. Without those two guys, I think that character flat out would not exist.

[DM72]

I was just watching Bret Harts "Wrestling With Shadows" and the WWE "50 Years" on Netflix and both touch base on the "Montreal Screw Job", the former talked about it much more.

 

I ask the question, if Vince hadn't "screwed" Bret, do you think Bret would have taken the WWE title to WCW?

[IceDragon38]

Someone wants to see Bray Wyatt beat Taker at Mania?

 

Da****?

After re-watching 1997-98 era WCW, Luger may be the most overrated wrestler of all time.

 

The title goes to him, or Ultimate Warrior in my book. 

[DM72]

I disagree. I think Luger is underrated. No one, and I mean no one, is more overrated than Sid Vicious. Dude had the look but was the biggest stiff I have ever seen. Probably followed by Kevin Nash.

Edited February 9, 2014 by DM72

[Gallen5862]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1953770-report-the-undertakers-wwe-return-date-potentially-revealed

 

 

Report: The Undertaker's WWE Return Date Potentially Revealed

 

 

 

As of this time, The Undertaker is currently locked to make his WWEreturn on the February 24th episode of RAW from Green Bay. This is the night after the Elimination Chamber Pay-Per-View and the same night that the WWE network goes live.

The Undertaker’s appearance should also start his WrestleMania XXX storyline which is still scheduled to be with Brock Lesnar.

[Mr. Sinister]

I was just watching Bret Harts "Wrestling With Shadows" and the WWE "50 Years" on Netflix and both touch base on the "Montreal Screw Job", the former talked about it much more.

 

I ask the question, if Vince hadn't "screwed" Bret, do you think Bret would have taken the WWE title to WCW?

 

IIRC, I think the "Deal" was that Hart would retain the title at Survivor Series, and drop it the following night, because he didn't want to lose in Canada (which was selfish as hell).

 

As a 9 year old kid, not fully aware of everything, and seeing Bret Hart at Raw one week, and the next, he's completely gone, I sided with him. But as I got older, and began to understand how things work in the business world, I realized that he pretty much put Vince in a no win situation.

 

Vince paid him that ridiculous contract the year prior in order to keep him away from WCW the first time, while WWE was getting hammered in the ratings department. Then Hart thinks he''s going to go out on his terms and get what he likes, when both companies are at war with each other.

 

Doesn't work like that. When it's time to drop the belt, you drop the belt. And don't live your role, thinking it's your birthright to hold the strap. Thats something the Rock always used to say when I read his autobiography back in the day.

[DM72]

It might have been selfish of Bret to not want to lose in Canada, but do you think Bret would have went against the script? I don't. Vince made damn sure he was gonna lose by making the ref call for the bell.

[Gallen5862]

Ric Flair refused to drop the NWA Heayweight Championship until Sting returned from his Injury. He had promised Sting that he would hold the title until then. Sting was kicked out of the Horsemen for winning the right to challenge for the belt. He then got hurt before they could hold the title match.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_(wrestler)

 

 

Sting finished out the year by winning a four-man round-robin Iron Man tournament at Starrcade '89. In the final match of the night, Sting defeated Flair to accumulate the necessary points to win the tournament. The victory made Sting the number one contender for Flair's NWA World title, leading to tension within the Four Horsemen.

 

Feuding with the Horsemen (1990–1991)[edit]

 

Sting was summarily dismissed from the Four Horsemen on February 6, 1990, at Clash of the Champions X: Texas Shootout after refusing to relinquish his title shot against Flair, thus restarting their rivalry. Later that evening, Borden suffered a legitimate knee injury while interfering in a Steel Cage match featuring the Horsemen.^[2]

Borden's injury forced the bookers of World Championship Wrestling, the dominant promotion in the NWA, to find a new opponent for Flair for the forthcoming WrestleWar pay-per-view event. Lex Luger was chosen to challenge Flair at WrestleWar. During the match between Flair and Luger, Sting came down to motivate Luger to come back and beat Flair. Before this Sting and Luger had been at odds. When Luger was close to winning Sting was attacked by Ole Anderson. Luger opted to save the already injured Sting and ended up losing the match by countout while assisting his friend. Behind the scenes, WCW officials had wanted Flair to drop the title to Luger at WrestleWar, but Flair refused, saying he had promised Borden he would hold the title until Borden could return to the ring.

At the Capital Combat event in May, Sting was accosted by the Four Horsemen and thrown into a metal cage at ringside. In a promotional crossover, Sting was rescued by his buddy RoboCop.^[17]

After Borden's recovery, Sting finally defeated Flair for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship on July 7, 1990, at the The Great American Bash.^[2] Sting went on to feud with title contenders Flair and Sid Vicious. Vicious appeared to defeat Sting in a title match at the 1990 Halloween Havoc, but the "Sting" that Vicious pinned was revealed to be an impostor played by Horseman Barry Windham. The real Sting appeared soon after and pinned Vicious to retain his title after the match was restarted.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Gallen5862

[Mr. Sinister]

It might have been selfish of Bret to not want to lose in Canada, but do you think Bret would have went against the script? I don't. Vince made damn sure he was gonna lose by making the ref call for the bell.

 

He did plenty of damage on his own by going against the code by refusing to drop the belt, making it all about him.... Thinking he was bigger than everyone else on that roster, who at the time, were pretty much looking down the gun barrel every night. What Vince did was ****ty, but what Bret did was even ****tier. He backed everyone into a corner. 

 

Bret forever won the sympathy vote with that, the subsequent Raws when the rest of the Hart Foundation got **** on, and the Owen Hart tragedy, but I don't think he should be absolved of the way he handle that too. I don't think Hart would've gone against the script, because he is a an old school rough/tough Canadian, who values a man's word over all, but that doesn't mean that he can't be a prick. He held them hostage, and Vince did what Vince had to do. They took the fall, and the bullets, while Bret got out easy, not having to answer for anything. He truly did screw himself. Even in the bagillion interviews I've seen since. he hasn't really taken full responsibility for the role he played in it ( I guess I can't really blame him for that. He was surrounded by family and friends who hated Vince, and told him what he wanted to here. He also lost his brother and bro in law in a span of 3 years. Thats pretty rough.) He never truly seemed to halfway own up to it until the Raw comeback where he was in the same ring with HBK, and the joint interview/wrestling doc he did with him.

 

Reminds me a little of the situation with Rock/Austin back in the summer of '02, when The Rock (who put WWE on his back and took it to even greater heights while Austin was out after the neck surgery in '99-'00) got booed out of the arena at SummerSlam for taking a movie break, to chants of "You sold out/Rocky sucks," while Austin was celebrated for completely walking out on the company with a gigantic "**** you, I'm going home" because he didn't want to lose to Lesnar at KOTR (when the Rock jobs to him at SummerSlam)

 

I think that back injury at the Royal Rumble was the best thing that could've ever happened to HBK, because I'm sure there were plenty of people who legitimately wanted him dead by WM XIV. Then he deals with his drug/person issues and comes back a little over 4 years later, and everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya (except for Canada, where he probably had to have a security escort everywhere he went).

Edited February 9, 2014 by Mr. Sinister

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Bret would have dropped the belt on his way out, I think.

 

The problem Vince had was that Bischoff was going to be able announce on Nitro that he had just signed the reigning WWF champion. Bret had "promised" that Bischoff was going to keep his mouth shut, but Vince couldn't trust that.

 

The whole thing was Bret taking wrestling way way way too seriously, Shawn being too much of a jerk, and Vince making a bad deal and then worsening it by not getting the belt of Bret sooner. There's a really good Cornette shoot about this somewhere. His stance is interesting in that he thinks everyone was a baby and that Vince basically did what any promoter would have done. He said he was in Montreal, asked Vince if there was a finish, Vince said "yes," and Cornette left the building halfway through the match because he didn't want to be around for the fireworks.

[Mr. Sinister]

Wrestling With Shadows is pretty old. In fact it may have been released the same year that Bret left WWE, because I remember watching it as a little kid, back when Bret Hart could do no wrong. That doc did a very good job of making Vince,HBK, Trips, and even Earl Hebner, all look like the spawn of satan. But not Bret.Nope. Not him at all.

 

Cornette was right. They all ****ed that up. Bret should've looked at the writing that was on the wall. Wrestling had changed. He just wanted to continue to go to the ring and hand out his shades to little kids every night, and be one of the top dogs, with everyone kneeling at his feet, staying in '95 forever, and riding off into the sunset. Dude lost touch with reality.

 

If there is anyone I truly feel bad for, it is Owen Hart, who was basically the Last of the Mohicans, and was kind of just there.... Until he wasn't.

Edited February 10, 2014 by Mr. Sinister