So, umm...

[D'Pablo]

Is this season gonna be based on anything aside from Ramsey getting it done? I realize that this is the topic du semain, but do we really have no other questions?

A quick run down:

QB: ?

RB: check plus

FB: check minus

WR: check minus

H-B: check

TE: check minus

OL: check plus

DL: check

LB: ?

CB: check

S: check plus

[Art]

Say what you want about our receivers, but, the fact is, Moss has proven he can go for 10 TDs and 1,100 yards in the NFL. He showed with just 78 passes thrown his way he can be productive. If Ramsey answers the bell, Moss will be an 1,100-yard receiver again, and this is as complete a team as there is.

If Ramsey answers the bell .

[B.A.M.F.]

Checks + and - ? I havn't seen anything graded that way since third grade...

Try A-F

[B.A.M.F.]

Also I'd say we are good at LB. I think Arrington and Washington alone make that case. Some of the others are comming along nicely too.

[terpfan]

Yeah I'm not as concerned about the WRs as I am about the QB...

[TimFolk]

Is this season gonna be based on anything aside from Ramsey getting it done? I realize that this is the topic du semain' date=' but do we really have no other questions?

A quick run down:

QB: ?

[/quote']

That's a check we have the stop gap Qb in Ramsey the vet in Brunell and the future qb (06) in Campbell

RB: check plus

Agreed

FB: check minus

We don't use them

WR: check minus

Moss is a explosive gamebreaker' date=' Patten is rare a speedster who can catch, Jacobs and Thrash are solid slot men thats 4 deep so i say check

H-B: check

Agreed

TE: check minus

We have Sellers starting who does what we use TE's for a extra lineman. Plus Cooley is gonna play TE some also this year his natural position from college

OL: check plus

agreed

DL: check

Disagree If you would have said DT check then I'd agree. But I think we have the worse set of ends in the league

LB: ?

We have 4 starters and we dont runa 3-4. The FO wanted Holdman over Washington last year

CB: check

Agreed

S: check plus

Agreed

[flashback]

QB – C

Ramsey’s passer rating in the preseason is just under 60, with 3 times as many INTs as TDs, and that doesn’t count his pathetic showing in the Ravens scrimmage.

Luckily, the Redskins have used 4 draft picks and over ten million dollars in bonuses on their backup QBs, so there’s decent depth.:laugh:

RB – A

I’m not a huge Portis fan, but it doesn’t get much better than Portis and Betts.

FB – B

Not a position of emphasis, but you’re talented and deep here. You’ll probably end up cutting a decent player.

TE – C

As long as Cooley takes most of the TE snaps, you’ll be OK. You’ll need Ray Brown to line up at TE if you ever want to run a jumbo package. I thought Royal was going to be a quality NFL starter when you drafted him, but it hasn’t turned out that way.

WR – B

If I was a small WR, I’d want to play for Coach Gibbs. Moss and Patten will do their jobs and play hard, but there’s not a lot of depth here, and you won’t have CBs shakin’ in there shoes against this bunch. As long as they can hurt defenses who stack 8 men in the box and find holes in the zones, they’re good enough to make the offense work. If there are problems in the passing game, the source is much more likely to be in the pocket than out in the pattern.

OL – C

I know its sacrilege, but I’m not impressed with Samuels or Jansen on the outside. They’ll be at least as good as last year, so “crappy” is probably a worst case scenario. Dockery might improve at G, Thomas is more than solid, and Rabach can’t possibly be worse than Raymer, right?

As a Cowboys fan, I remember when Bruce Coslett brought his zone blocking scheme to town and the Cowboys entire season went down the freakin’ tubes like it was late for an appointment. Good luck with that.

DT – B

Griffin is a quality starter, and you’ve got a lot of hustle at that position. They’ll keep your LBs clean, play the run well, and get some push in the pocket. Not a dominant group, but they get the job done.

DE – D

This is why your LBs and corners have so many sacks. When you play a team where you have to get pressure with your front 4, you’re going to be in trouble.

LB – A

This grade assumes that Arrington will play. And even if he doesn’t Holdman is nothing to sneeze at. Marshall will look great in the middle, and Washington is an All-Pro. Definitely the strength of your defense.

S – C

Taylor is a freak, and Bowen shouldn’t drop off from last year. You really need Taylor to stay healthy and, y’know, free.

CB – D

You’re top 3 have a chance to work out, but Springs has an injury history, Harris is going to get picked on and Rogers is out of shape and still at the very beginning of the learning curve. And you’ve got Diddley and Squat for depth.

[scruffylookin]

QB- C

(I'm expecting a better grade by the end of the year...Patrick will blossom damnit)

RB- A

(Portis is a top 5 back....Betts has flashed potential...NEMO NEMO NEMO)

HB- B

(Cooley is a reliable receiver)

TE- C+

(Royal has been better than he's been given credit for and he became a TD threat around the goalline at the end of the season last year)

WR- C+

(If they continue what they've shown in preseason and training camp, Moss and Patten will improve this grade quickly)

OL- A

(Samuels, Dockery, Rabach,Thomas, and Jansen will be recognized as the best in the game by the end of this season. There is decent depth as well.)

DE- B-

(Our ends are alot better than they are being given credit for. Wynn, not a pass rusher but was excellent against the run last season. Daniels has looked good in preseason and was hurt last season, I believe he's got something left in the tank. Warner and Evans were two pleasant surprises from last season)

DT- B+

(Griffin is one of the best tackles in the game. Noble and Salave'a are solid run stuff types, not spectacular, but effective.)

LB- A+

(Arrington, Marshall and Washington.)

S- A

(Taylor will be the best in the game. Bowen and Clark are good. Nice depth with Prioleau)

CB- B

(Starters are fine. Springs had one of the finest seasons for a CB in recent memory. Rogers showed he belongs with the starters and will be a canidate for NFL defensive rookie of the year. Harris is a solid number 3 corner. I agree that there is little reliable depth at this time. If we have injuries to the top 3, then this grade will drop...but then again same thing can be said for any position on any team- ie; What grade would you give the Colts QB position if Peyton goes down?)

K- B

(Hall is good)

P- A

(Tupa is a great punter and a holder Hall trusts)

ST- B

(They were up and down last year, they've improved so far in preseason)

[fansince62]

agree with Art...it all hinges on the QB position.....

[SonnyJ]

CB – D

You’re top 3 have a chance to work out, but Springs has an injury history, Harris is going to get picked on and Rogers is out of shape and still at the very beginning of the learning curve. And you’ve got Diddley and Squat for depth.

Wow, you rate the Redskin CBs a D. You must be absolutely despondent over the dreck the Cowboys have at CB.

[Utah]

Execution is the key.

No one spot, to me, will dictate how we play better then the lines this year. It all hinges on them. They will either allow our outside people to excel or we're going to hit a rollercoaster year again.

We'll see soon enough.

[G-Prime]

OL – C

I know its sacrilege, but I’m not impressed with Samuels or Jansen on the outside. They’ll be at least as good as last year, so “crappy” is probably a worst case scenario. Dockery might improve at G, Thomas is more than solid, and Rabach can’t possibly be worse than Raymer, right?

As a Cowboys fan, I remember when Bruce Coslett brought his zone blocking scheme to town and the Cowboys entire season went down the freakin’ tubes like it was late for an appointment. Good luck with that.

I was with you until this.. Didn't even both reading the rest of your post, this statement made your entire post invalid..

Chris samuels gave up a whopping 2 sacks last year.. He spent the entire season alone one on one and sometimes two on one, since they had to add help on the right side to make up for Jansen.. Chris samuels played brilliantly and should have had pro bowl consideration imo.

Jon Jansen has always been consistant.. You can already see the different with him back in the line up.. And with the addition of Rabach, with returners Dockery who is developing quite nicely and Randy Thomas we have THE premier line in the league.. These guys have played with each other for years with the exception of Rabach.. There will be no gelling, there will just be punching people in the mouth during runs and brilliant pass blocking during passes.

Our grand total of first team sacks given up this preseason, I believe is 0..

OL score - A+

[G-Prime]

Wow, you rate the Redskin CBs a D. You must be absolutely despondent over the dreck the Cowboys have at CB.

Why I didn't even bother with the rest of his post.. It was obviously skewed.

[Neophyte]

Say what you want about our receivers, but, the fact is, Moss has proven he can go for 10 TDs and 1,100 yards in the NFL. He showed with just 78 passes thrown his way he can be productive. If Ramsey answers the bell, Moss will be an 1,100-yard receiver again, and this is as complete a team as there is.

After the two preseason games I actually think Patten maybe the more dangerous of the two. He has better timing with Ramsey so far than Moss and frankly shows me a better work ethic than just about any receiver we have had since the days of the Posse (at least that is how it sounds in media articles). I also think Patten believes he has more to prove which always makes a receiver dangerous. Anyone remember Gary Clark?

[[[ghost]]]

wr check minus? ... :doh:

[bulldog]

As far as I know Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison and even Terrell Owens don't as yet own Super Bowl rings. So, there is more to developing a championship team than having a high profile wide receiver with an attitude :laugh:

The Redskins receivers we have now are better than the ones we had in 1982. They are better and more skilled than the ones the Ravens won with in 2000. And the ones the Patriots won with in 2001.

I still don't understand the fascination fans have with teams that have a high profile receiver. That fact seems to blind them to the fact the team may have a suspect offensive line or a back that puts the ball on the ground :laugh:

[Posse81]

I'm a little concerned about our #2 CB. Not sure that Harris is really a guy we want starting and Rogers isn't quite ready yet. Hopefully I'll feel differently after two more games, but right now thats my only concern other than QB. Let's pray that Springs stays healthy.

[Art]

Last year our line was roughly a C in a new system with injuries pretty much to players. This year we have more comfort in the scheme and superior players at two spots. At worst a healthy line is a high B. At best, it's a Top 3 line in the league.

[fpickering]

I heard that we might be looking at bringing in a TE at some point to shore up that position. Any thoughts?

In my opinion you may be off on the following grades:

1. OL

Right now I would give them a B. Jansen is back, Rabach is an upgrade at Center, and Dockery has one more year under his belt. This OL has the potential to one of the top OL in the NFL.

2. DE

Daniels is healthy and Wynn is an effective run stopper. I would probably say our DEs are average. I give them a C.

3. S

This was the one of the two grades that I had the biggest issue with. Taylor in his rookie season was already one of the top safeties in the game. He only improves this season. He gets an A. Ryan Clark was nothing but solid, definitely above average. At worst he gets a C and probably deserves a B. Our depth is fantastic at S. Therefore I give our Safeties a B+.

4. CB

This was the other grade that I had the biggest issue with. Springs had a Pro Bowl year last season. It was an absolute crime that he was overlooked.

He is a solid A no question about it.

Walt Harris has concerned me a little bit, I like him as a nickle back but I am not sure how he will handle starting duties. Right now I think a C is appropriate for him.

Sure, Rogers is out of shape but he is a rookie and we don't know what we have yet. Let's just give him a very conservative C for now.

Wilds is a decent #4 CB. Who is Dallas' #4 CB? You say we don't have decent depth but I am willing to bet that Wilds is as good if not better than your #4. As a unit our CBs deserve at worst, a C with the possibility of that increasing depending on Rogers.

[kharms01]

As far as I know Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison and even Terrell Owens don't as yet own Super Bowl rings. So, there is more to developing a championship team than having a high profile wide receiver with an attitude :laugh:

The Redskins receivers we have now are better than the ones we had in 1982. They are better and more skilled than the ones the Ravens won with in 2000. And the ones the Patriots won with in 2001.

I still don't understand the fascination fans have with teams that have a high profile receiver. That fact seems to blind them to the fact the team may have a suspect offensive line or a back that puts the ball on the ground :laugh:

Right on the Money Bulldog. It takes more than one player to make a champion. Thats why there is no I in TEAM. If the Redskins can just cut down on those bone head penalties that ruin great drives I believe we'll win alot more games this year.

[flashback]

Wow, you rate the Redskin CBs a D. You must be absolutely despondent over the dreck the Cowboys have at CB.

Right...

the past 2 years:

Newman 32 games, 8 INTs,

Henry 29 games, 5 INTs

Glenn 27 games, 6 INTs

Springs 27 games, 6 INTs

Harris 32 games, 2 INTs

Rogers gets a pass because he's a rookie.

You notice your top 2 guys are over 30, too, right?

Where's the source of the confusion? Do you mistakenly believe that your CBs are good, or are you under the false assumption that the Cowboys CBs are bad?

[flashback]

I was with you until this.. Didn't even both reading the rest of your post, this statement made your entire post invalid..

Chris samuels gave up a whopping 2 sacks last year.. He spent the entire season alone one on one and sometimes two on one, since they had to add help on the right side to make up for Jansen.. Chris samuels played brilliantly and should have had pro bowl consideration imo.

Jon Jansen has always been consistant.. You can already see the different with him back in the line up.. And with the addition of Rabach, with returners Dockery who is developing quite nicely and Randy Thomas we have THE premier line in the league.. These guys have played with each other for years with the exception of Rabach.. There will be no gelling, there will just be punching people in the mouth during runs and brilliant pass blocking during passes.

Our grand total of first team sacks given up this preseason, I believe is 0..

OL score - A+

We do this every year. Every year, I tell you guys where your problems are on the roster, and every year, you diss me and argue over every player on every unit. And then every year you lose 8, 10, 11 games. Turns out Dockery might not be the best guard Bugel's ever seen, huh, Bubba?

I'm merely here to provide a public service. You can disregard my analysis of your roster, but you should know I've been dead-on for 3 years running. How's your record of predicting the Redskins season?

[RabidFan]

Grading on a Cowboys fan scale are we?

[flashback]

Wilds is a decent #4 CB. Who is Dallas' #4 CB? You say we don't have decent depth but I am willing to bet that Wilds is as good if not better than your #4.

Whats up, fp?

We're all rooting for Lance Frazier to be the #4. He's a much better fit there than #2. He's been a little dinged up during camp, so we haven't seen much of him. We saw enough of him last year to know what he brings. He's too small, but hes got a lot of speed and quickness, and he plays the ball well. TO tossed him around like a rag doll on Monday Night. But I'd take him over Garnell Wilds, no question about it.

We've also got guys like Thornton, Reeves, N. Jones and a kid named Lenny Williams, who was a 7th round pick of the Bucs last year. He's showing up a little bit, and might stick.

[zoony]

OK I'll play

QB- C+

c'mon Patrick prove me wrong. (I give Pat a C... but overall a C+ because of decent depth here)

RB- A+

Best depth on the team... someone else said it... a quality player will most likely be cut. Portis will have a great year.

HB-C

I love Cooley, and he gets a B... but overall I'm a little concerned about depth here. So overall I say C

TE- C

I agree with the other poster who mentioned Royal was under-rated... he is my pick as the Redskin to have a breakout year. Once again, concerned about depth.

WR- B-

On their own, they get a B. But they are new to this system, so they'll have to prove themselves.

OL- A+

I'll admit... I am downright GIDDY about this line. Great depth too.

DE- B

We have a solid group at DE. Some great run stuffers and some great pass rushing specialists. Perfect for GW's scheme.

DT- B+

Salavea is the most under-rated DT in the league. Every time he was in last year I was impressed. The guy makes plays... and he looks like he's gained about 50 lbs of muscle this offseason. And Griffin? Awesome. A little concerned about depth here... otherwise they get an A.

LB- A-

I love Arrington and Washington... the all pro bookends. Marshall keeps this group from getting an A+. I love Marshall's football smarts and tendancies... but I really fear that he is just too small to effectively plug the middle. We'll see.

S- A+

2nd best depth on team. Taylor will be a pro bowler, and Bowen, Prioleau, Clark... they could start for several NFL teams.

CB- C+

The rookie is unproven, and I worry about Springs' ability to stay healthy. Springs did well last year, but I am nervous for some reason. Good talent here though... lots of potential with Rogers. This position could be an A by the end of the year.

K- B-

Can Hall regain his form? I think so... maybe this will be an A or A- by the end of the year

P- B

I love Tupa, but dam he is getting old.