Potato Sack Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Is he getting off on keeping Holt in and passing to him every down and potentially risking an injury? I think the Rams look great and they're shredding our secondary. But to what end? It's preseason. Someone needs to slap him upside the head and yell, "You're going to get Holt injured if you don't watch out." Bulger looks deadly accurate. Wish I could say the same for Ramsey. A wide open Thrash in the end-zone and he couldn't connect. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Let them ruin they're playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Yeah, they're showing everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Typical Martz. He wants to show Gibbs that he has some bona fides as an offensive coordinator. So, the Rams are playing this one like a regular season game with Holt running down the field as if it were December and a playoff spot was on the line. Martz pulls the same 'look at me' stuff when the Rams play teams with name coaches. His hubris has gotten him in trouble, though, never more so than in the Super Bowl loss when the NFL's best back in 2002, Marshall Faulk, got ZERO carries in a fourth quarter where the final score was 3 points difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuji869 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I remember on the last game of the 2001 Season after the Rams had home field wrapped up an he kept the starters in for the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Yeah, I think Gibbs has been somewhat conservative...as in more vanilla than usual. The Rams seem to really want this game...let 'em have it. Dumbazzes want to open their playbook & show us everything, fine with me. :ramsuck: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Redskins never really challenged the Rams secondary which to me is the weak point of their club. In the regular season, Coles would abuse the Rams the way Holt abused Smoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMetal Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Who the hell runs a trick play like that halfback option pass in preseason?!?! Yeah, it's clear Martz and the Rams want this one MUCH worse than Gibbs. He ought to...they've been getting shredded in the local media for their lackluster performance against the Chiefs. Even so, Smoot and Taylor should have been all over Holt when they were in the game. He made us look BAD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Or he could have been pissed that we blitzed something like 8 out of the first 10 offensive plays they had :lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTaylor42 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Originally posted by fuji869 I remember on the last game of the 2001 Season after the Rams had home field wrapped up an he kept the starters in for the whole game. And got Warner injured in the process. In Missouri we call Martz "the Super Genius" a.k.a. Wile E. Coyote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octane67 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Originally posted by McMetal Who the hell runs a trick play like that halfback option pass in preseason?!?! Steve Spurrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I think Martz really wanted to get the win after getting embarrassed last week. Maybe he thought the team needed some confidence. We also blitzed a ton early, so maybe we just pissed him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINtil8tin Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Originally posted by Octane67 Steve Spurrier :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I don't think a QB who's 6 for 12 with a number of misses to open receivers looked all that deadly accurate. Chandler looked great. Bulger didn't. I was surprised the Rams showed so much in this game. On one hand I'm glad. It gave our defense a fairly reasonable look at some things they'll see in the season. On the other hand, it just seems Martz is a lot like Spurrier. He's got these wonderful toys and he can't keep them to himself until it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Ego at it's purest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I'm not sure what you prove by running trick plays against a lot of backups. I thinks it's really funny that Aikman said that the 17 year vet Chandler still hasn't learned the rams playbook because there are so many plays, and that martz calls plays in the game that they've never run in practice. Seems like martz has one of those "mine is bigger than yours" syndromes. Playbook of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 While Holt DID school our secondary at times, I agree with others that all this game showed was Martz's incredible ego. Portis was in one drive then out. Betts (who looked good) was in one drive then out. Coles and Gardener, I believe were just in on a couple of series. Meanwhile, the Rams kept thier starting specialty guys in the entire first half, getting TDs on such heavywieghts as Ralph Brown and Abe Jimoh. Then Martz is running double reverses, half-back option passes, flea flickers.... who the heck runs a trick sweep play to a WR in the 4th quarter of a meaningless pre-season game against a bunch of scrubs? An egomaniac like Martz. I guess he wanted to beat a HoF Head Coach like Gibbs THAT bad. I guess, in Martz's mind that somehow makes him smarter than Gibbs. Actually, it makes him dumber. Opening up his whole playbook in a game that means nothing. Now folks will know what to look out for. Skins Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted August 28, 2004 Author Share Posted August 28, 2004 I feel sorry for Martz. Because when Gibbs meets him in the playoffs, he'll have hell to pay. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDane Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Martz remembers Osaka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Originally posted by Potato Sack I feel sorry for Martz. Because when Gibbs meets him in the playoffs, he'll have hell to pay. Mark my words. I don't feel sorry for Martz at all. He opened his playbook last night to beat Gibbs & it seemed to me that once they started pulling out the trick plays, Gibbs & Williams really started backing off from doing anything spectacular & went back to vanilla. Maybe that was the plan all along, but it seemed that alot of the defense's pursuit slowed down a bit once that happened. Also, I don't feel bad for Martz because of the way he treated Warner last season. I'm actually surprised that the pompous gasbag still has a job after all that. What an egomaniacal prick! :ramsuck: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydshobob Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Originally posted by Potato Sack Is he getting off on keeping Holt in and passing to him every down and potentially risking an injury? He had about as much chance of getting injured running around the Skins secondary by himself as I did sitting on my sofa! :laugh: But I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocono Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 So if Williams wants to bring 7-8 people on a blitz it's OK but if Martz has the termerity to keep throwing to Holt when you can't stop him it's a problem. The 3rd PS game is the game where starters usually play a half and Holt played a half. Just because Holt could have had 200 yds of receptions in that half if Bulger was on target is no reason to call Martz names[there are plenty of other good reasons]......it's probably a good reason to call Smoot and Springs names. We are told Gibbs doesn't want regular season opponents to know what he's going to do so he stays Vanilla and doesn't show anything while Martz doesn't want them to predict what's he's going to do so he shows everything plus more...just different approaches to the same problem IMO...The difference is Martz gets to use his real plays against other teams while Gibbs doesn't plus it's great to show vanilla when you're sure your team can run strawberry and you're sure strawberry can work in today's NFL but i don't see how Gibbs could be sure of either of those things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinGodfather Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Martz is an idiot...Had to love his quote on Kurt Warner on ESPN the other day...They were talking about how Warner helped Bulger as he became the starter and the ESPN reporter brought up the subject with Martz and his reply was..."If he was helping Bulger, we as coaches are not doing our job." I hate Mike Martz and how can you be mean to a guy who made that team basically. His name and Coyrell should not be mentioned together in any sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaRam Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I don't like Martz. As already noted in this thread he exposes key players to unnecessary risk too often. Not only did he leave Holt in for too long, he ran the snot out of a weak- kneed Steven Jackson. The Bruce pass was also a stupid preseason play. I could go on for ages about other reasons that I don't like Martz, but I won't. However, to say that he showed too much last night isn't correct, IMO. How many 4/5 WR sets did you see from the rams last night? I may have missed something, but I don't recall seeing Bulger run any. This is a good thing, because Bulger really struggles when he ventures past a 3WR set (I'd prefer that MB only run 2 WR sets myself). During training camp, Martz has stated many times that Bulger would be running more 4/5 WR sets this year. As opposed to the last two seasons, where Bulger has been babied in max protect sets. Perhaps, Martz realizes that Bulger will get killed behind this o-line if he is hung out there in the old warner sets. In summary, I agree that Martz ain't all that bright. However, the rams offense hardly opened up the play book yesterday. Glad to read that Samuels is ok. I was also grateful that Bulger didn't have to run away from Arrington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenF Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 The Rams just ran the same plays over and over last night. We just couldn't stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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