RedskinsNation Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I was thinking about how our team this year stacks up against the SB team from '91... QB's '91 = Rypien/Rutledge/Humphries '04 = Brunell/Ramsey/Hasselbeck - It seems as if Rypien came out of the woodwork that year, but he was in Gibbs system for 4 years prior to learn the position. Overall I think we have to say that the '04 trio is better overall. Edge = '04 RB's '91 = Byner/Riggs/Ervins '04 = Portis/Betts/Rock/Morton - Byner was about the most complete back as you could find back then. In '91 they had speed (Ervins), power (Riggs), shiftyness/recieving threat (Byner). Portis is/will be fine but I think due to the veterans in '91 you have to say they had the slight edge back then. Edge = '91 WR's '91 = Monk/Clark/Sanders/Hobbs '04 = Coles/Gardner/Jacobs/Thrash/McCants I love Coles but Im biased because I was raised on Monk/Clark/Sanders so I have to give the edge to "The Posse". Gardner hasnt been nearly consistent nor is he the threat that Clark or Sanders ever were. I think we have a ton of youth/potential right now but the edge still leans towards '91. Edge = '91 TE's/H-Back '91 = Middleton/Warren/Jimmie Johnson '04 = Cooley/Rasby/Sellers Obviously there were more then 3 TE's/H-back back then and now but these guys were probably the most prominent. Zero of our current guys have much experience so this is not even an arguement. Edge = '91 OL '91- Bostic/Lachey/Jacoby/Simmons/Grimm '04 - Raymer/Jansen/Samuels/Dockery/Thomas Again I have a '91 bias in favor of "The Hogs" however I think our guys this year are right there if not slightly more athletic. This may not agree w/folks but thats fine - I do respect your opinion. So... Edge = '04 Kicker '91 = Lohmiller '04 = Hall This is dead even in my opinion. Lohmiller was great but it seems like he wasnt around very long. Hall has been around for 4 yrs or so and I dont see him slowing down. For this reason I gotta go w/ J.Hall. Edge = '04 Return Men '91 = B.Mitch '04 = Morton I think Morton is faster straight up, but B.Mitch just always got it done and was always consistent. I gotta think B.Mitch gets the nod here. Edge = '91 D-Line '91 = Mann/Stokes/Wilson/Jumpy Geathers/Tim Johnson/Eric Williams '04 = Griffin/Daniels/Wynn/Noble/Upshaw/Holsey etc... This year's line wont scare anyone. Charles Mann alone scared more people than the line '04. I think this area is a non-issue. Edge = '91 CB's/Secondary '91 = D.Green/Wilburn/Mayhew/B.Edwards etc... '04 = Springs/Smoot/S.Taylor/Bowen/Harris/Brown/Bauman etc.. I love Darrel, but this years secondary has too much depth/talent to overlook. Edge = '04 LB's '91 = Marshall/Millen/Coleman '04 = LaVar/Washington/Barrow Lavar is a beast, but Coleman was consistent - not to mention the most underappreciated Redskin of all time. Marshall was a walking nightmare w/ the #58 on his chest. I think Barrow is a stud but is aging. Edge = '91 Total Team Breakdown '91 = 6 '04 = 4 Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Kao Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 What say we wait until we see some results on the field first? I mean, c'mon. The '04 'Skins have not been in their first coach Gibbs game, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Originally posted by Khun Kao What say we wait until we see some results on the field first? I mean, c'mon. The '04 'Skins have not been in their first coach Gibbs game, yet. Of course, but I have to go by the only thing I can.....Their Past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 One word: slaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 From a talent standpoint position by position you could make an argument that the 2004 version of the Redskins has more talent than the 1991 Redskins. But, part of being a great team is growing as a team and being a team. That's not something we've seen from the Redskins in a very long time. Our problem has not been a lack of ability on the roster for some time. It's been a combination of other factors. Perhaps Gibbs will be the guy to figure those factors out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Position by position, we simply do not have the ability to compare players. Take the best years by each player and stack them up I guess, but I think that would likely balance out to 91. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Originally posted by Reaganaut Position by position, we simply do not have the ability to compare players. Take the best years by each player and stack them up I guess, but I think that would likely balance out to 91. Exactly. I was thinking though... did Gibbs make some of these players great? Or were they great without him. If he was the reason they were great then the sky is the limit for our team now - which seems to have some players who have yet to play consistently up to their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Hogs gave up only 9 sacks all year, and Rypien had time to do his taxes. If this line plays half as good as the Hogs I'll be ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanathos19 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Let's just say that if these 'Skins show even half the "nastiness" that the '91 'Skins showed, we're gonna' be one hell of a team. That team in '91 was one of the 10 best in NFL history! They were unstoppable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 91 had the chemistry and ran like a well maintained Navy machine Lachey v Samuels? comeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanathos19 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Nothing against Laveranues or the WR core, but how can you compare him, Drops Gardner, and Darnerian to THE POSSE... YOU CAN'T!! Monk, Clark, and Sanders each had the ability to bust a game wide open...Coles is the only one that can do that right now in this current squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Originally posted by xanathos19 Nothing against Laveranues or the WR core, but how can you compare him, Drops Gardner, and Darnerian to THE POSSE... YOU CAN'T!! Monk, Clark, and Sanders each had the ability to bust a game wide open...Coles is the only one that can do that right now in this current squad Obviously you cant compare them. The edge already went to "The Posse" on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRINGBACKRFK Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 The key to any successful TEAM is not talent, but UNSELFISH TEAM UNITY. Just ask the Phil jackson and the underachieving Lakers about that! The Skins have looked good on paper for many of the past few seasons. The year we bought sorry ass Deion, Bruce smith, and Jeff George to our franchise...most people predicted we would go to the Super Bowl that year. Let's just wait and see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Redskins Nation- Wuttup! I was extremely intrigued by your thread. What a cool idea to break up the doldrums. So I clicked, entered and began. Then I got to the part where you rated the 2004 offensive line ABOVE the 1991 Hogs. Had to stop right there and ask you what you were thinking before I go any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 yeh, i agree with the line now being better, i mean, people talk about last year, but they got better in the 2nd half of the season. They also didnt have any clue what they were supposed to do out there, no good blocking schemes, and the audibles just made them false start too much. The Hogs were great, but these guys have more talent, and once Bugel's done with them, they will be a dominant line on par with The Hogs. Everything else looks about right, our LB's have something to prove to try and rank to the 91 guys, no matter how much talent they have. Yeh, the depth at every position in 91 really made the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December90 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Doing a comparison of Skins teams from 1991 to 2004 going position to position ignores what make Gibbs the GENIUS that he is. Gibbs strenth is that he is a master at exploiting a players strengths while hiding their weaknesses. That is why Gibbs prefers smart players over players like Meshawn. I remember doing a simlar comparison of the 91 Bills to the 91 Redskins and I recall that position by position the Bills had the edge (Kelly vs. Rypien; Byner vs. Thurman Thomas; Bruce Smith vs any Skin D-Lineman, etc...) What made the 91 Skins GREAT was that they were a TEAM in every aspect of the word. Lets give Gibbs some time to cement the current group of players together to see if they can perform as well as the players who preceded them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Originally posted by Chachie Redskins Nation- Wuttup! I was extremely intrigued by your thread. What a cool idea to break up the doldrums. So I clicked, entered and began. Then I got to the part where you rated the 2004 offensive line ABOVE the 1991 Hogs. Had to stop right there and ask you what you were thinking before I go any further. 1st of all its an Opinion. 2nd of all my rationale is that the coaching was a MAJOR part of the success of the '91 team. If you dont agree w/that than you are oblivious to what went on last year. I think (my opinion is neither wrong nor right) that w/the coaching we NOW have along with the fact that our current players are a little more athletic, this years line can be sculpted to be better then what we had back then. Dont get me wrong - the Hogs were awesome. I think that our line will be alot better this season than anyone expects. Im just trying to create a FOOTBALL related thread thats all. For the last 6 weeks there has been very few football related threads worth posting in. I hope folks disagree w/me because that is what make this engine run. If everyone thought the same way we would be living in the most boring world imaginable and this thread would be empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilberMarshall Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Any law enforcement personnel on this site? What punishment is there for "PWUTI" (Posting While Under The Influence)... The only edge this current bunch has on the 91 bunch is in the... NONE! Nada! Zilch! Nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey66 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Dude, there is no way the '04 OL line is better than '91. IIRC the '91 line set the NFL record for fewest sacks allowed in a season (9). I do think you could make a case for the '04 RB, Gibbs has never had anyone like Portis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 QB's '91 = Rypien/Rutledge/Humphries '04 = Brunell/Ramsey/Hasselbeck We may have more depth w/ Ramsey, but nobody as hot as Ryp was that year Big Edge = '91 RB's '91 = Byner/Riggs/Ervins '04 = Portis/Betts/Rock/Morton If Portis' 2 1500+ yds seasons were more than just a product of Denver, than i say Edge = '04 WR's '91 = Monk/Clark/Sanders/Hobbs '04 = Coles/Gardner/Jacobs/Thrash/McCants Not even close! Huge advantage = '91 TE's/H-Back '91 = Middleton/Warren/Jimmie Johnson '04 = Cooley/Rasby/Sellers Again, not even close Huge Edge = '91 OL '91- Bostic/Lachey/Jacoby/Simmons/Grimm '04 - Raymer/Jansen/Samuels/Dockery/Thomas Other than Simmons, you could make a convincing argument for any of those guys to be in the HOF Huge Edge = '91 Kicker '91 = Lohmiller '04 = Hall Hall may finish with a better career, just as Brunell has already well surpassed Ryp, but for that year Lohmiller was the best in the league. Edge = '91 Return Men '91 = B.Mitch '04 = Morton Mitchell was far far more dangerous on punt returns. Kickoffs it's a bit closer Edge = '91 D-Line '91 = Mann/Stokes/Wilson/Jumpy Geathers/Tim Johnson/Eric Williams '04 = Griffin/Daniels/Wynn/Noble/Upshaw/Holsey etc... No contest Edge = '91 CB's/Secondary '91 = D.Green/Wilburn/Mayhew/B.Edwards etc... '04 = Springs/Smoot/S.Taylor/Bowen/Harris/Brown/Bauman etc.. Again, not even close. Besides future HOFer Green, Wilburn led the NFC in INTs that year. Taylor is a rookie, for crying out loud. Big Edge = '91 LB's '91 = Marshall/Millen/Coleman '04 = LaVar/Washington/Barrow Marshall alone makes this one. Lavar can't hold his jock, at least not yet. Edge = '91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Wasn't Lohmiller a first round draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjeff Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 With Joe Gibbs coaching the 04 team, I'm sure he would somehow keep them in the game. Oh wait, Joe Gibbs is also coaching the 91 team. Boy does it make this one a tuff choice. I'll take any team coached by Joe Gibbs! 82,87,91 they're all great ones if you ask me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Im just trying to create a FOOTBALL related thread thats all. For the last 6 weeks there has been very few football related threads worth posting in. And a fun thread it IS, my man. I just disagree about the Hogs. The "Dirtbags" haven't taken a snap together yet. You can't even say that any one of them is even more "talented" than the '91 Hogs, though, because not ONE has ever shown it in the last 2 years. Until they win, they SUCK. Bugel or not. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atloldskin Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Nice post! I would rate the 91 OL as being better, but the 04 running backs being better. This year's team does have talent and some depth now. With the great coaches, this team could surprise if not this year certainly next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kameuh Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 If the skins win the SB this year Then I'll come back to this thread. Until then 91 skins would dominate. Comparing one of if not the best redskins team ever to a team that has never taken a snap under its new coach should get you excomunicated from the Redskins community for an hour at least:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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