mhd24 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 http://mb9.theinsiders.com/fcpndhardcorefrm1.showMessage?topicID=31899.topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypingSux Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 who is Marques Anderson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Marques Anderson, strong safety, 5-11 212, 2 year starter for the Packers. In 2002 Anderson intercepted 4 balls, returning 2 for touchdowns and finished with 62 tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 :bsflag: nothing in ESPN insiders, I just checked..... this rumor is total BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypingSux Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Thanks Bulldog. Would you consider him an upgrade at SS for us over Bowen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Not really sure that you can say Anderson is a clear improvement over either Bowen or Ohalete, though he is young and athletic. The trade would certainly alter what we're considering, but, I suspect this is a bogus rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins> Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Why would they trade a draft pick for this guy when they could probably draft Sean Taylor? The only setback I see is how Taylors contract would be structured and how much we would count against the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESPN Insider reports the Redskins and the Packers are talking about a trade that would send the 5th overall pick and a 5th rounder to Green Bay for Green Bay's first rounder this year, Marques Anderson, this year's second rounder, and a first rounder next year Dont know if this is true because i dont have ESPN Insider but i pulled off of CPND. I would pull the trigger i think if this is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Er, I've got insider. I see nothing like this. Looks like total BS to me. Anderson is young and raw. Think Andre Lott. Consider: they're bringing back Eric Crouch to compete for his position. Not a considerable upgrade at all. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w33dh0l3 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Didn't we sign Matt Bowen as an RFA from the Packers? And didn't Marques Anderson replace Bowen.. Thus they play the same position? [Edit] Sean Taylor > Marques Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINtil8tin Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Hope this is BS. Still would rather have Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieSkinsFan Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Anderson was the starting SS for Green Bay last season. I haven't seen him play enough, nor do I know enough about him to judge whether he would be a good starting free safety or not. Wasn't he almost the Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2002, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I don't know what to think. It really all depends on how we project them to perform in '04. Assuming Favre returns, I think 8-10 wins should be expected which translates to 17-25 in terms of slotting. Somwhere in that area. So is that equal value, someone will have to get that Jimmie Johnson meter to tell based on that, but just viscerally it feels like a good deal: *25th overall in 2004 *55th overall in 2004 * 1st rounder in 2005 (likely between 16-24) Marques Anderson (who'd start at either Free or Strong Safety) I have to admit, that sounds a helluvalot better than Taylor or KW2 to me, we can use the picks we'd get this year to move up into the high teens if there was a DL we really like, or sit tight and take the best available at DE, DT, TE, S, or BAFP w/each pick. That is definitely a helluvalot better than sticking at 5 and paying a freaking safety or TE a 13-14 million dollar signing bonus. Draft Scouting Reports on M. Anderson: 5'11 213 4.54 3.52 Two-year fulltime starter that saw extensive action with the first unit as both a freshman and sophomore. Finished his senior season with 63/2/10 after 67/3/11 as a junior. Suspended by the team in '99 after totaling 58/0/11 his sophomore campaign and 42/3/7 as a Freshman All-American. CNNSI.COM Scouting Report Hard hitting strong safety that looks to intimidate opponents. Quick moving up the field to defend the run, aggressive and likes to mix it up. Takes good angles to the play, works to force the action and constantly around the ball. Displays a burst of closing speed and cover skills in a small area but for the most part lacks the sideline-to-sideline range and has difficulty in man-to-man coverage situations. Slow turning his hips, loses in transition and lacks overall ball skills when the pass is in the air. Did show some cover skills early in his career but best off as a strong safety where his physical nature can be put to good use. Early Fifth Round. From NFL.com Positives: Well-built, with thick thighs, muscular arms and solid calves … Jumps into action willingly, staying at a proper pad level to stalk, wrap and secure the ball carrier … Has a sharp backpedal, showing no hesitation in transition … Displays excellent range, playing with discipline while showing quickness in his movements … Great leaper with fluid hips … Aware in the zone, handling the switch-offs with ease … Quick to digest the plays, coming up with aggression to lend support vs. the run … Uses his hands well to prevent from getting tied up by blockers near the line of scrimmage … Very effective mirroring the receivers in the short area … Takes physical arm swipes to jam the tight ends and shows a very sharp burst coming off the edge as a blitzer. Negatives: Gets walled off by blockers from the outside zone when trying to chase down the ball carrier … Has to show better form breaking down plays, as he will either over-run the action or duck his head on contact, knocking him off-balance … More comfortable playing the zone, despite having the physical skills to recover when in man coverage … Little stiff opening his hips, which makes him come out of his backpedal slowly … Has trouble reacting to route combinations in the deep zone … While known for his punishing hits, he tends to arm tackle and catch, rather than extend, wrap and secure … Takes bad angles coming from the backside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Marques Anderson was a stud at UCLA. He is hard hitting and a playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Pick up Anderson and draft Tommis Harris or Udeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnacpa Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 If this is true, I would show the offer to New England and see if they will include a #1 from next year as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Originally posted by Jay Master Jay Pick up Anderson and draft Tommis Harris or Udeze. We'd be too far down in the draft to pick up one of them. They're both going within the top 15 easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 AGAIN this rumor is a hoax, FAKE, bogus I went back this morning scouring ESPN insider pages... nothing, noda, zilch If this was posted here, the guy would have been clowned. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Looks like April Fools day came early this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorditoShawn Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Clearly the best trade scenario I've seen thus far, too bad its just BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevil'sAdvocate Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Originally posted by The Consigliere is that equal value, it feels like a good deal: *25th overall in 2004 *55th overall in 2004 * 1st rounder in 2005 (likely between 16-24) Marques Anderson (who'd start at either Free or Strong Safety) I have to admit, that sounds a helluvalot better than Taylor or KW2 to me Well there's a couple of problems with this rumored trade: #1. Marques Anderson is terrible. More on that in a second. #2. Throwing in the 5th round pick shouldn't be done. #1. A friend of mine is a Packer's fan and we've always talked about the players on the teams we root for. Whenever we've talked about Anderson, he has had nothing good to say about him. Says he's not good, maybe average in coverage and TERRIBLE at tackling. Doesn't like him at all. And never has. Wanting to see what other GB fans think of this, I went into their Newsgroup and searched posts about Anderson. For every 1 positive (mostly written a couple of years ago, by the way) is about 4 negative ones on why he doesn't belong in the starting lineup. Here's are some example opinions on Marques, in one particular thread: http://tinyurl.com/36pm9 You can search for yourself if you like on more opinions on Marques in that newgroup, which has seen him play the most. #2. I don't look at the Redskins GETTING the Packers #1 round pick this year. I look at it as an EXCHANGE of picks. GB and WASH would be exchanging picks with Washington dropping around 20 spots in the coveted first round. What would they be getting in EXCHANGE for dropping that many spots in the blue chip area of the 1st round down to the anything-goes section of the round? They'd be getting a 2nd round pick (which is so low in the round, it's practically a 3rd round pick), a 1st round pick next year (which will probably be very low), and a bad safety. And..........according to this rumor, the Skins would have to toss in their 5th round pick to boot. I'm all for trading down. Kellen Winslow is pointless to me. They dont need him. And they need help on their defensive line, really really bad. They cant go into this season with the current line if they expect to be anything better than .500. But be careful before you think this deal is so great for Washington. I don't think it's great at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Definately a no way no how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmwills1 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Not gonna happen. Nothing on Insider about it, no reason to talk about negatives and positives of this trade cause it WONT HAPPEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwo40 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Originally posted by TheDevil'sAdvocate Well there's a couple of problems with this rumored trade: #1. Marques Anderson is terrible. More on that in a second. #2. Throwing in the 5th round pick shouldn't be done. #1. A friend of mine is a Packer's fan and we've always talked about the players on the teams we root for. Whenever we've talked about Anderson, he has had nothing good to say about him. Says he's not good, maybe average in coverage and TERRIBLE at tackling. Doesn't like him at all. And never has. Wanting to see what other GB fans think of this, I went into their Newsgroup and searched posts about Anderson. For every 1 positive (mostly written a couple of years ago, by the way) is about 4 negative ones on why he doesn't belong in the starting lineup. Here's are some example opinions on Marques, in one particular thread: http://tinyurl.com/36pm9 You can search for yourself if you like on more opinions on Marques in that newgroup, which has seen him play the most. #2. I don't look at the Redskins GETTING the Packers #1 round pick this year. I look at it as an EXCHANGE of picks. GB and WASH would be exchanging picks with Washington dropping around 20 spots in the coveted first round. What would they be getting in EXCHANGE for dropping that many spots in the blue chip area of the 1st round down to the anything-goes section of the round? They'd be getting a 2nd round pick (which is so low in the round, it's practically a 3rd round pick), a 1st round pick next year (which will probably be very low), and a bad safety. And..........according to this rumor, the Skins would have to toss in their 5th round pick to boot. I'm all for trading down. Kellen Winslow is pointless to me. They dont need him. And they need help on their defensive line, really really bad. They cant go into this season with the current line if they expect to be anything better than .500. But be careful before you think this deal is so great for Washington. I don't think it's great at all. :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: Excellent post. Essentially we'd be getting an average or poor safety to clog up the secondary.....look we did this once people with Bowen. And he is ok, probably far better than Anderson. And in return we'd be giving up the 5th pick overall? No way....we have a chance to grab top 5 talent....you take it...or you get picks for this year...good picks..not late in the rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I don't mind dropping back in the draft as long as we get Taylor, Udeze, Will Smith or Winslow.. I think we drop back to far in this deal......Unless we have something else up our sleeve after.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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