Art Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 There can't really be loyalty as you change staffs. It's hard to force guys out of loyalty to keep players just for the sake of keeping them. I LOVED Armstead and felt he played better than any of our linebackers last year. But, the team needs to get younger at that spot and we don't have draft picks for doing so. That does mean we probably are going to use that money to get a young starting level backer of some sort. Holdman has had some injury issues. I may prefer Washington because he's a bit bigger and might allow Arrington to be a dedicated weakside backer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsofwashington Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by Cskin With Trotter and Arrington in the fold, it makes sense to bring in a rookie or young FA who's potential is rising than Armstead's is falling. If by being in the fold you mean washed up, then I think you are being a little ridiculous. Armstead is the man plain and simple. Who is his replacement. I will be saddened to see Armstead go. He is a solid player. He has more gas in that tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by sonsofwashington If by being in the fold you mean washed up, then I think you are being a little ridiculous. Armstead is the man plain and simple. Who is his replacement. I will be saddened to see Armstead go. He is a solid player. He has more gas in that tank. Agreed...we let the wrong guy go - umm #54!!!! I guess now that guarantees that Trotter will stay...darn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jumbo Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I'm sure his locker room presence will be greatly missed. It does make sense for the defense though, with the speed that Williams wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by RTerps2002 Jonathan Vilma Yeah, he'd be nice if we had any draft picks... But we don't, b/c for the second year in a row the team has decided to give them away... Shoulda been Trotter. I guess it makes sense, with the $ saved and how old Armstead is. But he was the smartest, most consistent lb on the team last year. While Trotter and LaVar were blowing assignments all over the field, Armstead quietly had a stellar season. It's too bad b/c this team needs every Jessie Armstead type it can get its hands on-- comes to work everyday, plays hurt, plays smart, plays tough, even at, what...34? Boy, it seems everyday we punch another hole in our defense. where's the help gonna come from? Especially since we're giving away(AGAIN!) all our draft picks. Wonder how much say Greg Williams had in this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by SkinzFan007 Two words: Clifton Smith. I know he was a middle linebacker at Syracuse but I think he will make the transition well. He has good size and wieght ( 6'3" 251 lbs.) as well as good speed (ranging from 4.65-4.75). His senior year at Syracuse he had 137 tackles in 12 games. He's a tough tackler and has a lot of intelligence for the game. I've liked him from day one and was real glad that we picked him up. I hope he gets some PT this year. Wasn't there a reason he wasn't drafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I didn't want any of the LBs cut, and I suppose, Art, you are correct. But couldn't they have waited until they at least saw him in a mini-camp? Either way, about Holdman versus Washington. I'd probably rather see Holdman. He's faster, and a better blitzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblsldyllwlne Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 i don't htink pierce or clifton smith are acceptable replacements for armsteadt....he was an above average player who needs an above average replacement....any good FA linebackers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUSTINMFOX Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I think it's pure business...it sounded like they handled it with class (maybe?) At least he didn't sound upset.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I'm sad to see him go, but can't really complain about this move too much. Does this mean Antonio Pierce will get his big chance, or are they looking at another LB to step in and be an upgrade. I liked Jesse, because he was the most disciplined LB we had. Out of the 3 of them, he made the least amount of mistakes. Yet Jesse was getting beat like a drum simply because he couldn't stick with TEs anymore. I wish he didn't have to be cut, he would've provided great depth for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwash Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Why not trade him to Denver instead of a 2nd rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by Hogwash Why not trade him to Denver instead of a 2nd rounder? Whats up? -- havent seen you on in a while...anyway i guess people think Jessie is over the hill (34/35) yrs old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I doubt Denver thinks he's a worth a second rounder. Which would be the only reason they would agree to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by Gamebreaker I'm sad to see him go, but can't really complain about this move too much. Does this mean Antonio Pierce will get his big chance, or are they looking at another LB to step in and be an upgrade. I liked Jesse, because he was the most disciplined LB we had. Out of the 3 of them, he made the least amount of mistakes. Yet Jesse was getting beat like a drum simply because he couldn't stick with TEs anymore. I wish he didn't have to be cut, he would've provided great depth for us. I never understood why it was so out of the question to put Arrington on Shockey, instead of Armstead being on him. Both Edwards and Lewis made that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallyG3 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 This reminds me of last year when we cut Tre. It hurts to see a guy like that go, but you bow your head and say "yeah, it had to be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman56 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I think that cutting Armstead means we are leaning towards drafting Taylor at #5. He will be able to fill in as run support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Fever Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Antonio Pierce has been a starter under Marty and has seen some playing time since then. I think he will be fine if called on to start. Is he Jessie in his prime? No, but he will be decent. I haven’t seen Smith play (that I can remember) but the staff must think he will be able to at least contribute. LB isn’t like QB. You simply can’t learn much unless you are playing. Get him in there. Is this the first shoe to drop? Could Trotter be next? Maybe fatso was partially correct when he talked about our need for LBs. I still think he was part wrong too. If we go after a LB in free agency it will only be for depth IMO. I can’t see a lot of money being spent on a big name LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by JoeSkins for Holdman? Sure. But, I still don't like the lack of loyalty to a player who gave his all and played his guts out for us. The best LB here during his tenure here. Lack of loyalty? This move was planned by both our organization and agreed to by Armstead when the contract was signed. Or is your memory that short? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 SonofWashington... I say keeping Trotter & Arrington in the fold because their salary figures prohibit them from being released. It would cost MORE to cut Trotter than to keep him. Additionally, I believe another year removed from the knee injury and an attacking defense scheme deployed by Williams and we'll see the Trotter more familiar with the Eagles Jeremiah Trotter. What part of that don't you understand? Since Clifton Smith is 250lbs yet has good speed, it appears for the time being he may be a better fit on the strongside while Arrington moves to the weakside. Additionally, Clemmons might be an option as well on the weakside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I admittedly don't know much about Trotter's contract, but I have read some people here say that it would make more sense to cut Trotter year from now rather than this offseason--is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by WallyG3 This reminds me of last year when we cut Tre. It hurts to see a guy like that go, but you bow your head and say "yeah, it had to be done." i don't think so. tre hardly saw the field in his second tenure. the dude pulled his hamstring/groin on an exercise bike (or on the toilet/can't remember). jessie always played hard and probably was the most assignment true LB we had the last couple of years. i don't mind seeing him demoted but cutting the guy seems extreme. HOWEVER we do have some young talent at LB that i think needs more playing time. but i think having jessie around as a backup will ensure that we at least have someone who knows what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 LAME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJCrash34 Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 It seems a little too dramatic to just cut him. He's a talented linebacker that played well for us last year. I don't know about what his cap salary would have been this year but from reading the posts here it doesn't seem significant. There must be some way we could have kept him. Maybe locking him into a long term incentive laden contract or something along those lines. He's a good veteran that could be very helpful if we decided to say draft a LB, he could help bring him along and progress from college to the NFL. I don't know what they were thinking with this move but I guess you just gotta trust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Key Fox to the Skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 At least they are doing it early and giving him some time to find some other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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