2024 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Skinsinparadise]

I spent plenty of time on Wrs, Tes, RBs.  Trying to cram on edge before the combine. 

 

Javon Solomon, really good bend, loose hips, quick, with a nice rip move.   6 '2, 245 so not ideal size.  But 17 sacks.   Likely 3rd down-passing down specialist in the pros.   He looked good against the run from what I watched but in the pros being sub-250 would likely hurt him on that front.

 

Maybe like an old school Chris Clemons type pass rusher specialist. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Est.1974]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Was trying to come up with a good early third round types at edge.  I do like Isaac don't love him.  He plays bigger than his size and is good against the run.  Not a dominant pass rusher but he has a good first step and plays a bunch in 2 stance, so he would fit Quinn's liking of having a roving pass rusher who is standing up. Plays with a lot of energy.

 

But  I think my guy in that range in Jonah Ellis.  He's a bit undersized so I think he drops partly for that reason.  He's a dude IMO that does need a good combine.

 

But man is he fun to watch. Wicked spin move.  Swim-rip, move.  He has a nonstop motor with super active hands.  Decent against the run too.  Overpursues some.  And his first step comes off just average to me.  But that's a dude that looks to be constantly thinking about how to beat the O lineman.   

 

 

 

 

Ellis is the Edge I mentioned a while back. I reckon he’s good enough in the second round.

 

Kinchens and Ellis are currently my 2 favourite picks at the top of round 2.

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Javon Solomon, really good bend, loose hips, quick, with a nice rip move.   6 '2, 245 so not ideal size.  But 17 sacks.   Likely 3rd down-passing down specialist in the pros.   He looked good against the run from what I watched but in the pros being sub-250 would likely hurt him on that front.

You keep churning out my targets SIP, love it.

[Skinsinparadise]

34 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Ellis is the Edge I mentioned a while back. I reckon he’s good enough in the second round.

 

 

Ellis is a fun watch.  Really stocky upper body -- one of the more feisty edge rushers I've watched as to hands usage and he goes to that spin move more than any edge rusher I can recall recently.  At his size though I want to see his combine. 

Edited February 24 by Skinsinparadise

[Est.1974]

9 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Ellis is a fun watch.  Really stocky upper body -- one of the more feisty edge rushers I've watched as to hands usage and he goes to that spin move more than any edge rusher I can recall recently.  At his size though I want to see his combine. 

I started looking through edged rushers with ‘similar’ measurables to Parsons, although he is the ‘unicorn’, clearly,

 

Elliss, good arm length, big hands, similar weight, violent first burst. 40 doesn’t sniff near Parsons. But the arms/hands, first burst. Like him. He’ll make plays.

[Skinsinparadise]

4 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

I started looking through edged rushers with ‘similar’ measurables to Parsons, although he is the ‘unicorn’, clearly,

 

Elliss, good arm length, big hands, similar weight, violent first burst. 40 doesn’t sniff near Parsons. But the arms/hands, first burst. Like him. He’ll make plays.

 

I think Solomon has a quicker first step and burst than Ellis among the third round types so he might fit that Parsons role to an extent. Ellis is powerful for a dude that size and love that he doesn't give up.  Plenty of pass rushers have good motors.  But Ellis is throwing everything and the kitchen sink on each rep so that's a fun watch.

Edited February 24 by Skinsinparadise

[Est.1974]

On 2/14/2024 at 10:20 AM, Est.1974 said:

 

DL

Jonah Elliss

Cedric Johnson

Javon Solomon

@Skinsinparadise you looked at Cedric Johnson, the above rounded out my initial 3

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

@Skinsinparadise you looked at Cedric Johnson, the above rounded out my initial 3

 

Not yet, he's ranked low on PFF metrics but I'll get to him, was going to watch Nelson Ceasar next.

[Est.1974]

9 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Not yet, he's ranked low on PFF metrics but I'll get to him, was going to watch Nelson Ceasar next.

He’s sacked Daniels a couple or times, thought you might have noticed him 

[RWJ]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I spent plenty of time on Wrs, Tes, RBs.  Trying to cram on edge before the combine. 

 

Javon Solomon, really good bend, loose hips, quick, with a nice rip move.   6 '2, 245 so not ideal size.  But 17 sacks.   Likely 3rd down-passing down specialist in the pros.   He looked good against the run from what I watched but in the pros being sub-250 would likely hurt him on that front.

 

Maybe like an old school Chris Clemons type pass rusher specialist. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best EDGE rusher from Troy since DeMarcus Ware.  Too many of us remember him.  

[clskinsfan]

4 hours ago, KDawg said:

Lots of line prospects but my #1 want is Beebe. He’s a mean destroyer

My take on Barton is the same. Nasty mofo. But I would take either of them. 

22 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Watching some Tahj Washington.  Small but electric.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at the throws from Caleb there. Jesus I hope the Bears pass on him. Dude is ridiculous. 

[mhd24]

My first top 40 mock of the season (no trades) pre combine pre FA:

Assumptions:  Kirk resigns in Minny, Russell Wilson to Vegas, Fields traded to Pittsburgh.

 

ROUND 1:

1). Chicago (from Carolina)__Caleb Williams (Obviously the Bears will take Caleb)

2). Washington__Drake Maye (I still say we take Maye)

3). New England__Jayden Daniels (Will take whomever is left)

4). Arizona__Marvin Harrison Jr (Will take WR here)

5). Los Angeles__Malik Nabers (I think they want to trade down desperately)

6). New York Giants__Rome Odunze (NYG settles for Odunze)

7). Tennessee__Joe Alt (Went back and forth here, but settled on Alt for the Titans)

8.  Atlanta__JJ McCarthy (Have to take QB here if they don't upgrade in the off-season)

9). Chicago__Brock Bowers (BPA)

10). New York Jets__Olu Fashanu (Need OL help everywhere.  Could be Fuaga if Fashanu is off the board)

11). Minnesota__Dallas Turner (Hunter could be gone in FA)

12). Denver__Byron Murphy (Will be the most motivated trade-down team in the draft.  At this stage, they take BPA).

13). Las Vegas__Terrion Arnold (No QB worthy to take here.  They go for CB1)

14). New Orleans__Tyler Guyton (Ramzyk might be forced to retire.  Penning hasn't worked out.  Need OL help).

15). Indianapolis__Jared Verse (Edge is a huge need)

16). Seattle__Laiai Latu (Was hoping for Murphy.  Settles on getting an edge)

17). Jacksonville__Troy Fautanu (Their FO has emphasized improving the IOL.  Scherff could be a cut candidate).

18). Cincinnati__Taliese Fuaga (They have cap money to spend upgrading the defense (including DT).  Fuaga could go as high as 10 to NYJ).

19). Los Angeles Rams__Quinyon Mitchell (CB is arguably the #1 need area).

20). Pittsburgh__Jackson Powers-Johnson (If JPJ isn't here, than Barton could be the pick).

21). Miami__Darius Robinson (Both edges are coming off ACL injuries).

22). Philadelphia__Nate Wiggins (Would like a young edge, but can't pass on Wiggins).

23). Houston__Brian Thomas Jr (Adds a deep threat for CJ).

24). Dallas__Jer'Zhan Newton (Mazi Smith was a major disappointment last year.  Could be OL as well).

25). Green Bay__Cooper Dejean (All Safeties are FAs)

26). Tampa Bay__Graham Barton (IOL is a major need area).

27). Arizona (from Houston)__JC Latham (Could play RT right and slide Paris Johnson to LT).

28). Buffalo__Chop Robinson (Edge is a huge need area with only Russeau assured to be back).

29). Detroit__Ennis Rakestraw (I think they will be a team looking to trade up for one of the top 3 CBs)

30). Baltimore__Amarius Mims (Moses looked really bad at the end of the year.  Ronnie Stanley can't be counted on to stay healthy.  Mims slides due to his own injury concerns and lack of durability in college).

31). San Francisco__Jordan Morgan (Fits the Shanny style OL to a tee.  Lack of arm length isn't a concern as they prefer athleticism.  Will start at RT).

32). Kansas City__Ladd McConkey (Is this the year KC goes WR?).

 

ROUND 2:

33). Carolina__Keon Coleman (Have to get more weapons for Bryce).

34). Arizona__Braylan Trice (Nice to get a young edge here).

35). New England__Kingsley Summitaia (Tackle is a huge need area as Owenwu could leave in FA).

36). Washington__Chris Braswell (Edge and OL are huge need areas).

37). Los Angeles Chargers__T'vondre Sweat (Might be limited as a two-down player, but their DTs have been trash).

38). Tennessee__Kool-Aid McKinstry (Both starters are FAs)

39). New York Giants__Tyler Nubin (McKinney is a FA).

40). Washington (from Chicago)__Cooper Bebee (Will start at LG day 1).

[DWinzit]

The only projections that stand out to me are Guyton at 14 and Fautanu and 17 maybe being a little early, but nice job.

 

If they don't handle T in FA I would be looking to move up to grab a falling Latham in your rendition. 

 

There surely is a lot of fairly even talent from the mid 1st - top of the 2nd depending on needs and schemes. 

[Warhead36]

If Latham falls that far Im calling teams packaging a 2nd and 3rd to move up and get him.

[mhd24]

43 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

The only projections that stand out to me are Guyton at 14 and Fautanu and 17 maybe being a little early, but nice job.

 

If they don't handle T in FA I would be looking to move up to grab a falling Latham in your rendition. 

 

There surely is a lot of fairly even talent from the mid 1st - top of the 2nd depending on needs and schemes. 

 

 

Thanks for the positive feedback.  Yeah, I think NO desperately needs OL help as Peat is a FA, Ramzyk might retire due to injuries, and Penning might be a bust.  Guyton got the nod over Fuaga there because of his LT potential.  Saints gamble on the upside.

 

Jaguars are tricky to determine what they want.  Their GM said they'll focus on the trenches.  Apparently, their IOL was trash last year.  Fautanu could step right away at G.  They could cut Scherff apparently post June 1 to save some money.

 

I'd trade up for Latham in this scenario, but trades are hard to predict.  I think the Chargers (someone moving up for Nabers) and Denver (lack picks) are the most motivated sellers in this draft.

43 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

If Latham falls that far Im calling teams packaging a 2nd and 3rd to move up and get him.

 

Yeah, its just that I figure he's RT only, so Guyton, Fautanu get the edge over him in the pecking order.  I'd move up too in this scenario.

[Warhead36]

Id like to add McConkey to my list of WR wants in Day 2. Would love him at 40. 

[Est.1974]

https://theathletic.com/5295335/2024/02/25/nfl-draft-combine-college-football-freaks-list-bruce-feldman/

 

7. Jaylen Wright, RB, Tennessee

The 20-year-old junior ran for 1,000 yards this season and a few scouts this week predicted he would be one of the three fastest players in Indianapolis. The 5-11, 210-pounder, No. 24 on the Freaks List in 2022, has a lot of juice. He’s clocked 23.6 MPH in practice and vertical jumped 44 inches and went 10-8 in the broad jump last year. In high school, he ran a hand-timed 4.28 40.

 

13. Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon

Franklin tore up Pac-12 defenses last year, catching 81 passes for 1,383 yards and 14 touchdowns. He had 15 catches of 30 yards or more in 2023. Only LSU’s Malik Nabers (17) had more. Franklin is rangy at 6-3, 187 pounds and very explosive. Expect him to blur through the 40 in the mid-4.3s. Maybe even faster.

 

18. Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky

The former two-star recruit reminds a lot of scouts of Deebo Samuel because he’s that strong and that good with the ball in his hands. In 2022, he led the country in yards after the catch with 975 and in missed tackles forced with 40. The 5-11, 220-pounder hit 23 MPH on the GPS and clocked a 4.43 40 with a 4.08 shuttle time.

 

28. Javon Solomon, edge, Troy

A former two-star prospect, the 6-2, 250-pounder emerged as a star for one of the best Group of 5 programs in the country. The chiseled Solomon has just seven percent body fat. He should test well on the bench press, having maxed at 425 pounds. Expect him to run well as he’s topped out at 21.63 MPH.

 

37. Sione Vaki, safety-RB, Utah

The 6-0, 207-pound sophomore probably could’ve used another year of seasoning, but he definitely made a big impact for the Utes. Vaki had 51 tackles with 8.5 TFLs and also ran for 317 yards to go with 11 catches for 203 yards with five touchdowns, sparking Utah offense when it really needed it. He’s incredibly explosive and twitchy. He made the Freaks List last summer after bench pressing 400 pounds, vertical jumping 39 inches and broad jumping 10-5 1/2.

Edited February 25 by Est.1974

[Chump Bailey]

Houston EDGE David Ugwoegbu #12 could be a legit sleeper. 

[NYSkins21]

If Caleb is undoubtedly the guy we want and we have to trade up to #1, what would you think is “astronomical”?

 

I’d personally stand pat at two but I wouldn’t be upset if we traded #3, Jon Allen and next years #1. That would be my max though.

[Warhead36]

41 minutes ago, NYSkins21 said:

If Caleb is undoubtedly the guy we want and we have to trade up to #1, what would you think is “astronomical”?

 

I’d personally stand pat at two but I wouldn’t be upset if we traded #3, Jon Allen and next years #1. That would be my max though.

Im against giving up future 1s. I just dont like the potential colossal loss in value. And personally I dont think theres enough of a gap between Williams and Maye/Daniels to justify any sort of trade up but thats a different discussion for a different thread

[e16bball]

6 hours ago, mhd24 said:

26). Tampa Bay__Graham Barton (IOL is a major need area).

27). Arizona (from Houston)__JC Latham (Could play RT right and slide Paris Johnson to LT).

28). Buffalo__Chop Robinson (Edge is a huge need area with only Russeau assured to be back).

29). Detroit__Ennis Rakestraw (I think they will be a team looking to trade up for one of the top 3 CBs)

30). Baltimore__Amarius Mims (Moses looked really bad at the end of the year.  Ronnie Stanley can't be counted on to stay healthy.  Mims slides due to his own injury concerns and lack of durability in college).

31). San Francisco__Jordan Morgan (Fits the Shanny style OL to a tee.  Lack of arm length isn't a concern as they prefer athleticism.  Will start at RT).

32). Kansas City__Ladd McConkey (Is this the year KC goes WR?).

 

ROUND 2:

33). Carolina__Keon Coleman (Have to get more weapons for Bryce).

34). Arizona__Braylan Trice (Nice to get a young edge here).

35). New England__Kingsley Summitaia (Tackle is a huge need area as Owenwu could leave in FA).

36). Washington__Chris Braswell (Edge and OL are huge need areas).

Pretty brutal run of picks for us if it goes that way. 
 

Watching Barton, Latham, Chop, Mims, Morgan, and Trice all come off the board in the 10 picks before we get back up would be excruciating.

[Est.1974]

7 hours ago, mhd24 said:

 

ROUND 2:

33). Carolina__Keon Coleman (Have to get more weapons for Bryce).

34). Arizona__Braylan Trice (Nice to get a young edge here).

35). New England__Kingsley Summitaia (Tackle is a huge need area as Owenwu could leave in FA).

36). Washington__Chris Braswell (Edge and OL are huge need areas).

37). Los Angeles Chargers__T'vondre Sweat (Might be limited as a two-down player, but their DTs have been trash).

38). Tennessee__Kool-Aid McKinstry (Both starters are FAs)

39). New York Giants__Tyler Nubin (McKinney is a FA).

40). Washington (from Chicago)__Cooper Bebee (Will start at LG day 1).

I’d have to get Kinchens with either 36 or 40 in this scenario. He’d be a beast in Whitt’s defense.

[mhd24]

1 hour ago, Est.1974 said:

I’d have to get Kinchens with either 36 or 40 in this scenario. He’d be a beast in Whitt’s defense.

 

I think we MUST come away with our 2nd rounders with OL and edge.  We have nothing at edge right now.  Now, I think we'll sign a pass rusher in FA, but we still need more depth.  Obviously OL doesn't need to be explained.  Now, I could see us trading back from one of our 2nds in my scenario to a Nix/Penix loving team.  Still, the 2nd rounders have to be dedicated towards the OL and edge.  The 3rd rounders could be wildcards, but I expect that high 3rd rounder to be a CB IMO.

1 hour ago, e16bball said:

Pretty brutal run of picks for us if it goes that way. 
 

Watching Barton, Latham, Chop, Mims, Morgan, and Trice all come off the board in the 10 picks before we get back up would be excruciating.

I didn't want to be cheerleader.  I'd love to get Barton, but I was trying to be realistic.  Ditto Latham.  Morgan, I'm not that high on as I see him as a G due to his bad arm length.  Now Shanny might not care about that, but everyone else probably does.

[DWinzit]

On 2/24/2024 at 4:21 PM, Est.1974 said:

@Skinsinparadise you looked at Cedric Johnson, the above rounded out my initial 3

Jonah Ellis and Javon Solomon feel like  nice fits with the Commanders.

 

I have mostly seen Ellis ranked higher than Solomon but I am higher on Solomon,really like him!

 

Guys like Cedric Johnson and Gabirel Murphy I am not as big on but this staff might be able to work wonders with them.

 

Ken Norton must have a decent familiarity with Murphy. Staying with that thought pattern thinking he might push for a late rounder stab at LB Darius Muasau. Smart dude but I question his speed, gonna need to be faster than the estimates show. 

[Koolblue13]

Combine starts tomorrow right? NFL Network?

[e16bball]

2 hours ago, mhd24 said:

I didn't want to be cheerleader.  I'd love to get Barton, but I was trying to be realistic.  Ditto Latham.  Morgan, I'm not that high on as I see him as a G due to his bad arm length.  Now Shanny might not care about that, but everyone else probably does.

Oh, I didn’t mean to imply it was unrealistic or isn’t going to play out that way — just saying it would suck if it does.

 

I think barring some sort of combine debacle, Latham and Mims are probably close to 0% to make it to us at 36. I think there’s a fair chance that maybe one of Barton, Morgan, Chop, or Trice might get there though. To me, that’s the group I’d (realistically) be hoping to see at that pick. 

 

I agree with you about Morgan. I don’t see him being a better fit as a guard being a disqualifier though. I really like him as a guard, same as Barton. I know Beebe is a much-loved character on this board because he’s a “destroyer of worlds” and all, but I expect Kingsbury and Lynn likely will be installing a run game that will place a heavier priority on “maker of reach blocks” and “reacher of second levels.”