New OC Thread (Welcome Aboard Eric Bieniemy!)

[Skinsinparadise]

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I have no idea why I believe this but the longer this has went on, the more to me it feels like it’s been EB all along.  Like Ron and and Andy have had this plan in place for a while now.

 

Keim seems to think EB or Roman or Shumur. But yeah most think EB is the front runner.

[Conn]

12 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I have no idea why I believe this but the longer this has went on, the more to me it feels like it’s been EB all along.  Like Ron and and Andy have had this plan in place for a while now.

 

Same. When Allbright had this out of the blue over a month ago when it seemed completely out of left field, I immediately felt like there had been some back channeling going on. 

[Skinsinparadise]

Bram is speculating that Bieniemy stays put.  The Ravens were poised to interview him and then bailed.  And the Commanders just interviewed Greg Roman.  Feels like maybe people around Bieinemy might have telgraphed that he's leaning towards staying.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[MariusVT]

I don't want any part of Roman. 

 

I'd also think that a lot of coaches should be gunshy of this org this year.  With a chance that new owners are in place before the draft and with that could come an entirely new coaching staff/front office (maybe a small chance out of the gate but definitely a huge risk that anything here is a 1 year gig). 

Edited February 15, 2023 by MariusVT

[kingdaddy]

5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Bram is speculating that Bieniemy stays put.  The Ravens were poised to interview him and then bailed.  And the Commanders just interviewed Greg Roman.  Feels like maybe people around Bieinemy might have telgraphed that he's leaning towards staying.

If Bienemy is actually taking this interview then you'd think he's at least interested in possibly leaving KC? Also, I would think Dan could care less about what he pays him since it'll be the new owners wallet that pays him?

[SoCalSkins]

15 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

If Bienemy is actually taking this interview then you'd think he's at least interested in possibly leaving KC? Also, I would think Dan could care less about what he pays him since it'll be the new owners wallet that pays him?

Your question makes it seem like he has a choice to return to Kc. Andy wants him out. He wants Nagy back in that role. That’s been reported multiple times. 

[lavar1156]

30 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Bram is speculating that Bieniemy stays put.  The Ravens were poised to interview him and then bailed.  And the Commanders just interviewed Greg Roman.  Feels like maybe people around Bieinemy might have telgraphed that he's leaning towards staying.

Bieniemy isn't under contract tho.

[Skinsinparadise]

4 minutes ago, lavar1156 said:

Bieniemy isn't under contract tho.

 

I know.  It doesn't mean they can't give him another one.

 

 

27 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

If Bienemy is actually taking this interview then you'd think he's at least interested in possibly leaving KC? Also, I would think Dan could care less about what he pays him since it'll be the new owners wallet that pays him?

 

I've taken interviews where on my end I was leaning towards not taking the job but interviewed anyway because maybe I'd was going to be surprised by the offer and that might change my mind.  

 

As for Dan doesn't care what he pays.  Don't know.  I do know some covering the team who believe in general that Dan will be stingy in general with capital as the sale is being discussed.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[CapsSkins]

1 hour ago, SoCalSkins said:

Andy Reid wants to give the KC OC job back to Nagy. He asked Ron to take on EB. All the interviews and everything else has been for show. 

This does seem to be most likely, pending Bieniemy not getting a better offer (e.g., a HC job) which it appears he won’t. Once Baltimore hired someone else, I figured EB to DC cooked up by Andy and Ron would be likely to come to fruition.

[Skinsinparadise]

14 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

He wants Nagy back in that role. That’s been reported multiple times. 

 

Has that been reported?  I've seen speculation on that but that's different. 

 

The speculation I've seen is mostly that Andy genuinely wants Bieinemy to get a job elsewhere, that he likes the dude, versus get that dude out of here.

 

But if its a report, not saying there isn't one, I'd love to see it because if so I missed it because that would be interesting.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[zCommander]

17 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Has that been reported?  I've seen speculation on that but that's different. 

 

The speculation I've seen is mostly that Andy genuinely wants Bieinemy to get a job elsewhere, that he likes the dude, versus get that dude out of here.

 

But if its a report, not saying there isn't one, I'd love to see it because if so I missed it because that would be interesting.

 

There is only this right now. 

 

The Chiefs have internal candidates on staff --including former Bears head coach Matt Nagy -- who easily could take Bieniemy's place if need be.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/andy-reid-hints-at-oc-eric-bieniemy-possibly-needing-to-leave-chiefs-to-get-head

[Skinsinparadise]

22 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

There is only this right now. 

 

The Chiefs have internal candidates on staff --including former Bears head coach Matt Nagy -- who easily could take Bieniemy's place if need be.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/andy-reid-hints-at-oc-eric-bieniemy-possibly-needing-to-leave-chiefs-to-get-head

 

Yep I know that Nagy exists and he would replace him.

 

Rapoport suggested that it was Bienemy that allowed his contract to lapse.  Whatever that means but it could mean he could have reupped.

 

If Reid couldn't wait for Bienemy to go why bother with the ruse?  Just let him walk.  No need to praise him minutes after winning the SB, etc.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Lovi]

It seems to me the biggest knock on EB as a head coach is his ability to connect and communicate.  If he needs to prove it (seems to me like he shouldn't have to) then this could be a good place to start.  In addition, Ron can sell him on the working with him to improve his communication skills and ability to relate to the players.  Ron to me excells in this area and is well respected among players.  Almost like come here, prove your offensive worth, and I'll mentor you in the other aspects of being a HC.  Then take over for me when I retire.

[zCommander]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I know that Nagy exists and he would replace him.

 

Rapoport suggested that it was Bieniemy that allowed his contract to lapse.  Whatever that means but it could mean he could have reupped.

 

If Reid couldn't wait for Bieniemy to go why bother with the ruse?  Just let him walk.  No need to praise him minutes after winning the SB, etc.

 

The only thing that makes sense to me is when an employee wants to leave they ask their boss for putting in a good word for them since they have worked really hard for their boss and the boss being Reid is not a jerk so he is putting a good word for him. 

[SoCalSkins]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I know that Nagy exists and he would replace him.

 

Rapoport suggested that it was Bieniemy that allowed his contract to lapse.  Whatever that means but it could mean he could have reupped.

 

If Reid couldn't wait for Bieniemy to go why bother with the ruse?  Just let him walk.  No need to praise him minutes after winning the SB, etc.

Because if he got a head coaching gig KC would get two 3rd round comp picks. Also, prior to EB, the OC position under Andy was the fastest and surest path to a head coaching gig. It shifted to McVay but for Nagy to get another shot he needs to slide back into that role and for other lesser known assistants to climb a rung. Andy tried his best for EB and now he’s opening it up for other coaches on the staff. I don’t think he dislikes EB or doesn’t think he’s qualified. I think Andy is trying to develop his coaches to move up and on and EB stagnated the whole thing. 

[Skinsinparadise]

16 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Because if he got a head coaching gig KC would get two 3rd round comp picks. Also, prior to EB, the OC position under Andy was the fastest and surest path to a head coaching gig. It shifted to McVay but for Nagy to get another shot he needs to slide back into that role and for other lesser known assistants to climb a rung. Andy tried his best for EB and now he’s opening it up for other coaches on the staff. I don’t think he dislikes EB or doesn’t think he’s qualified. I think Andy is trying to develop his coaches to move up and on and EB stagnated the whole thing. 

 

Sure.  Andy Reid isn't unique as to a head coach in pushing his assistants.  He pushed Bieniemy before the 3rd round comp pick rule.   Among other reasons, it makes you look good when your assistants are in demand.

 

Reid strikes me as a genuine guy.  He's been a bit over the top pushing Bieniemy and it comes off to me that he really does think he would do a good job running an offense.  He's tight with Rivera so i'd bet he in particular wouldn't push a lemon on him.  Doesn't mean Reid is right though, of course.   We shall see, perhaps.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/andy-reid-hints-at-oc-eric-bieniemy-possibly-needing-to-leave-chiefs-to-get-head

 

“Eric Bieniemy has been tremendous for us and I think tremendous for the National Football League,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid said to reporters. “I’m hoping he has an opportunity to go somewhere and do his thing where he can run the show and be Eric Bieniemy.”

 

"I always wish our guys the best of luck," Reid said. "An opportunity -- that's what all of them deserve. They work hard. If they can get a promotion somewhere that I can't give them, more power to them."

 

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[SoCalSkins]

8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Sure.  Andy Reid isn't unique as to a head coach in pushing his assistants.  He pushed Bieniemy before the 3rd round comp pick rule.   Among other reasons, it makes you look good when your assistants are in demand.

 

Reid strikes me as a genuine guy.  He's been a bit over the top pushing Bieniemy and it comes off to me that he really does think he would do a good job running an offense.  He's tight with Rivera so i'd bet he in particular wouldn't push a lemon on him.  Doesn't mean Reid is right though, of course.   We shall see, perhaps.

 

 

It’s not about EB being a lemon based on skill set. It’s about him not being able to move on to a head job so it holds the rest of the staff back. If he didn’t have his past issues he would have been a head coach a long time ago. No one is hiring Nagy again as a head coach while EB is still there. Young assistants will also choose the Rams, Eagles and Bengals over the Chiefs because the conveyor belt of moving up and on has stalled there. That puts the Chiefs at a competitive disadvantage. 

[Skinsinparadise]

9 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

It’s not about EB being a lemon based on skill set. It’s about him not being able to move on to a head job so it holds the rest of the staff back. If he didn’t have his past issues he would have been a head coach a long time ago. No one is hiring Nagy again as a head coach while EB is still there. Young assistants will also choose the Rams, Eagles and Bengals over the Chiefs because the conveyor belt of moving up and on has stalled there. That puts the Chiefs at a competitive disadvantage. 

 

I've talked about Bieniemy in the past.  i am aware of his past issues.  But they were long ago.  Seems like the more prevailing narrative for why he hasn't been hired is he wasn't a hot interview -- that and the combination of the mystery of whether he would be good at calling plays considering he mostly hasn't done so at KC and his last gig where he did call plays in Colorado didn't go hot.

 

Got my doubts Nagy is hired again as HC considering he was a punchline with the Bears after a good 1st year start.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[SoCalSkins]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I've talked about Bieniemy in the past.  i am aware of his past issues.  But they were long ago.  Seems like the more prevailing narrative for why he hasn't been hired is he wasn't a hot interview -- that and the combination of the mystery of whether he would be good at calling plays considering he mostly hasn't done so at KC and his last gig where he did call plays in Colorado didn't go hot.

 

Got my doubts Nagy is hired again as HC considering he was a punchline with the Bears after a good 1st year start.

He has been credibly accused of providing prostitutes and alcohol to high school kids visiting his Colorado campus while he was on the coaching staff and refusing to testify about it to the NCAA. He has also been banned from that campus for choking a female employee and threatening to rape her.  According you “but they were long ago”. You are delusional if you don’t think that’s probably the main reason he doesn’t have a gig. 

[Skinsinparadise]

15 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

He has been credibly accused of providing prostitutes and alcohol to high school kids visiting his Colorado campus while he was on the coaching staff and refusing to testify about it to the NCAA. He has also been banned from that campus for choking a female employee and threatening to rape her.  According you “but they were long ago”. You are delusional if you don’t think that’s probably the main reason he doesn’t have a gig. 

 

 

So teams bring him for an interview yet are shocked to learn about this stuff in the past that they don't bother to dig into until after the interview or they bring it up and somehow he doubles down on it all?

 

Maybe guys like Standig among others are wrong when they say they've heard its about him being a bad interview and concerns about whether he indeed would be a good play caller and its instead as you say teams bringing him in but have no intention to hire him because of the past.

 

No way to know IMO.  You seem to think you do know.  Cool.  That's our disagreement, so lets stop debating this then.  

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/02/15/eric-bieniemy-head-coach/

Then there is the character question. Bieniemy was arrested on a DUI 22 years ago as a coach with the University of Colorado program for which he starred. Nine years before that, he was banned from the campus after a woman working as a parking lot attendant said Bieniemy harassed her. And over 30 years ago as a running back at Colorado, Bieniemy was suspended a game after being charged for interfering with a firefighter at his mother’s house, got busted for speeding and driving with a suspended license and was charged with assault in a college bar fight.

 

I’m not sure what the statute of limitations is for the NFL, but it seems to be longer for Bieniemy than for, say, Tennessee head coach Mike Vrabel, who is White. In 2011 as a Kansas City linebacker and NFLPA Executive Committee member, Vrabel got arrested for theft at a casino. And before that, he was charged with assault during a bar fight when he was in college at Ohio State. But that didn’t stop the Titans from hiring Vrabel as their head coach.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[skinzplay]

In that Vrabel case, in which it was him and a teammate beating the daylights out of a guy, Vrabel was arrested. Poor dude's eyes were swollen shut, completely! But of course it's just a youthful indiscretion. Only person missing from the scene was Ferdie Pacheco. Youthful indiscretion.

[Conn]

4 minutes ago, skinzplay said:

In that Vrabel case, in which it was him and a teammate beating the daylights out of a guy, Vrabel was arrested. Poor dude's eyes were swollen shut, completely! But of course it's just a youthful indiscretion. Only person missing from the scene was Ferdie Pacheco. Youthful indiscretion.

 

You keep doing this, man. You have to admit, from an optics perspective, that Bienemy having a prolonged 6-8 year period of time with multiple incidents of violence etc. and poor decision-making throughout creates a more concerning pattern than one bad event would. That’s the problem. You keep ignoring that. 

[skinzplay]

Oh I'm not ignoring the fact that he was a highly touted athlete with an invincibility "rules don't apply to me attitude". He most certainly did back then @Conn

[Conn]

2 minutes ago, skinzplay said:

Oh I'm not ignoring the fact that he was a highly touted athlete with an invincibility "rules don't apply to me attitude". He most certainly did back then @Conn

You’re not addressing what I’m actually saying though.