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11 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

I’m sorry but I like my “psychos” a little bit more exciting to watch than Javier Bardem doing his German Shepherd face for two hours with the stupidest wig in cinema history.

 

Yall are boring as hell.

 

I think that's highlighting some of the differences between a "primary" and "secondary" psychopath.

 

Secondary psychopaths (ASPD) tend to be much more interesting on film. Volatile, bad tempers, impulsive, self-destructive, violent. That's your Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet or Joe Pesci as Tommy in Goodfellas. 

 

Primary psychopaths are the ones you don't know about because they're very calculating and are often good at mimicking human emotion and empathy. Most of them aren't violent either, because it's usually not necessary,...but they'd feel nothing if they thought they had to hurt or kill someone for whatever reason. Empathy and remorse are things they simply aren't wired for. Sort of like someone being color blind. 

 

So yeah, primary psychopaths are sometimes a bit more boring on film, but IMO they're at least as scary as someone with more overt ASPD. At least with that ASPD person you know they're volatile and what sets them off. With the primary psychopath when you meet them they might be planning on shaking your hand and chatting with you or they might be planning on killing you, and you'd have absolutely no way of knowing which it is.

 

I think Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman said it well in American Psycho: "There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there."

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11 minutes ago, Jabbyrwock said:

Javier Bardem is the winner !?!

 

What people think is a psychopath and what is a real psychopath are very different. 


The question probably should have been, who played the best sadistic movie villain. That's matching up much better with the answers everyone is giving. 

 

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5 minutes ago, GoCommiesGo said:

 

What people think is a psychopath and what is a real psychopath are very different. 


The question probably should have been, who played the best sadistic movie villain. That's matching up much better with the answers everyone is giving. 

 

 

Yeah, IMO another good example of a psychopath from film who is more realistic and isn't a violent hothead is Michael Douglas as Gordon Gekko in Wall Street. Superficially charming, manipulative, calculating, no empathy or remorse, little to no fear or anxiety. The epitome of the "Corporate Psychopath".

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In case anyone is interested lol...

 

 

Anton Chigurh from 'No Country for Old Men' voted "most realistic psychopath ever"

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-most-realistic-psychopath/

 

"...forensic psychiatrist Samuel Leistedt names the performance as the most realistic depiction of the mental illness in all of cinema. “They don’t know what an emotion is,” the psychiatrist stated in a real-life study that led Leistedt and his colleague Paul Linkowski to spend three years watching 400 movies in search of the most realistic depiction of psychopaths in cinema. 

 

Reporting that depictions of psychopaths have gotten more realistic over time, Leistedt and Linkowski reported in the Journal of Forensic Sciences, modern versions provide a “compelling glimpse into the complex human psyche”. Noting No Country for Old Men as containing the very best portrayal, the psychiatrist recognised that the character “does his job and he can sleep without any problems. In my practice I have met a few people like this”. 

 

Making a real-life comparison to two professional hitmen that he had previously interviewed, Leistedt stated that Chigurh reminds him of such a mental state, adding, “They were like this: cold, smart, no guilt, no anxiety, no depression”. 

 

With his own twisted set of morals, Chigurh kills without purpose or mercy, representing an insidious phantom of modern America who stalks the land with genuine psychopathic tendencies.

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I'm pretty fascinated with movie psychopaths for some reason...seeing "We Need To Talk About Kevin" and "One Hour Photo" listed got me thinking of lesser known characters I thought were done well, although they may not be clinical psychopaths but something definitely off with all of them (you can guess the movies for ****s and giggles lol):

 

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https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/gone-girl-1.jpg

 

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Can I also say that Michael Rooker has creeped me the **** out in every role he's done since seeing him in this movie lol...

 

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2 hours ago, FuriousD said:

Javier Bardem - No Country for Old men

 

Him and his CO2 tank... Cold, calculated and creepy AF!

Read an article somewhere (may have been on here) saying that his portrayal of a psychopath is the best one in the history of Hollywood.  It was written by a psychiatrist I believe.

 

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Quick google search brings up a bunch of articles about it.  Here is one.

 

https://www.businessinsider.in/entertainment/movies/psychiatrists-studied-400-movies-to-find-the-most-realistic-psychopath-here-are-their-6-key-takeaways/slidelist/62342046.cms

 

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Jesus christ I was beat by about 489032843 people.

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11 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

I'm pretty fascinated with movie psychopaths for some reason...seeing "We Need To Talk About Kevin" and "One Hour Photo" listed got me thinking of lesser known characters I thought were done well, although they may not be clinical psychopaths but something definitely off with all of them (you can guess the movies for ****s and giggles lol):

 

https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/gone-girl-1.jpg

 

 

 

This is another great one. Rosamund Pike as Amy in Gone Girl. Definitely a psychopath. 

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3 minutes ago, redskinss said:

Surprised nobody has brought up heath ledgers joker. 

Too cliché?

 

His Joker was one of the best villains in movie history, but I think the thing for me with that character was that I thought of him more as a force of nature than an actual human being with a past (which I think is sort of what they were going for since they gave him no backstory).

 

So less a human psychopath and more an anthropomorphic personification of chaos (which he even basically says in the hospital scene).

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2 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

Is it just a coincidence that almost every psychopath listed on this thread gets away with their crimes? Does that make the character more memorable?

Aileen didn't.  I read about her in a book a couple of decades ago, but Charlize Theron brought her to life.  That was really weird. 

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Yes, the Talented Mr. Ripley. Plus Robert Walker playing Bruno Antony in Strangers on a Train. A ripping story by Patricia Highsmith who also wrote the story The Talented Mr. Ripley and others including The Price of Salt made into the movie Carol about Lesbians (no psychopaths). I read The Price of Salt a long time ago, it's one of the several books that helped me realize the real me. Here's the trailer for Strangers on a Train.

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

His Joker was one of the best villains in movie history, but I think the thing for me with that character was that I thought of him more as a force of nature than an actual human being with a past (which I think is sort of what they were going for since they gave him no backstory).

 

So less a human psychopath and more an anthropomorphic personification of chaos (which he even basically says in the hospital scene).

As far as psychopaths go, I'd say Joaquin Phoenix's depiction of Joker is "better" than Ledgers.

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