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      ES Coverage Cowboys vs Redskins 2019
       
      9/15/19
       
      Do I look like I'm playing? I'm not playing. This is the Washington Redskins versus the Dallas Cowboys. If you are a fan of this game, and this one does not get you excited you might want to check your pulse.
       
      Hello my friends it is I, JimmiJo, back for another year of this wonderful thing we call Redskins Football. This makes season 14 for me. I am joined by The Spaceman Spiff who will hereafter be known as "The Spaceman Spiff." 
       
      Where's that dude that gets the big tattoos on his back? There's his next one.
       
      So how important is this game? I don't know. What is the different between 1-1 and 0-2? The difference between batting .500 and zippy?
       
      Throw in that this is their 2nd division game to start the year AND a home game and you have a critical match.
       
      And once again they contend with critical injuries to start the year. Last year it was  their rookie star running back. This year its their 2nd year star...well you get the rest.  Darrius Guice is gone and not coming back this year. I think this really hurts him moving forward. Not sure who will build a scheme around him given his first two seasons.
       
      So it is down to the veteran Adrian Peterson. I have no worries of ring rust for hum. None whatsoever. He knows what to do.
       
      Anyway, almost time. Please share your thoughts.
       
      Stand by...
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 12 QB Colt McCoy
      o   No. 23 CB Quinton Dunbar
      o   No. 31 Fabian Moreau
      o   No. 64 C Ross Pierschbacher
      o   No. 67 G Wes Martin
      o   No. 86 TE Jordan Reed
      o   No. 93 DT Jonathan Allen
       
      The Cowboys declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 10 WR Tavon Austin
      o   No. 37 S Donovan Wilson
      o   No. 57 LB Luke Gifford
      o   No. 61 C Adam Redmond
      o   No. 69 G Brandon Knight
      o   No. 79 DT Trysten Hill
      o   No. 97 DE Taco Charlton
       
      Follow along in-game at Twitter @Skinscast 
       
      JimmiJo
       
      Head coach Jay Gruden said it is not time to press the panic button when asked if staff changes could occur on the defensive coaching staff. It may not be for him, but he might want to pay attention to the sounds coming from the owners suite at Redskins Park.
       
      For example the sound of shouting and heavy objects striking walls could portend an early offseason for someone.
       
      The Washington Redskins are now 0-2 to start the season. They are 0-2 in the division.
       
      If that is not panic-inducing, they face a Chicago Bears football team (themselves in need of a solid win) on Monday Night Football next. A series they do not typically do well on.
       
      In both games to open the campaign the winning teams had the game well in hand at the start of the fourth quarter, despite Washington taking leads in each of the games.
       
      Against Dallas, the team began well again; taking a 7-0 lead into the second quarter. This was not quite the 17-0 start they had in Philadelphia. Nor did it take until halftime for the Cowboys to adjust.
       
      It happened on Dallas’ fourth drive. Starting at their own 3-yard line at 9:44 in the 2nd period, the Cowboys employed a combination of runs up the middle and quick outs in the flats and sideline to advance the ball 97-yards in 7 plays and tie the game.
       
      Following a three-and-out by Washington, Dallas went 74-yards on 11-plays to take the 14-7 lead at halftime.
       
      The 3rd Quarter began with the Cowboys receiving the ball at their own 25. Nine plays  and 75-yards later they were leading 21-7.
       
      The Redskins made it interesting with their own 11-play, 70-yard drive to cut he lead to 7.
       
      But Dallas responded with a field goal. And would add another touchdown in the fourth quarter to extend the lead to 17.
       
      Washington’s consolation score with just under 3-minutes remaining allowed rookie Terry McLaurin to add a touchdown to his debut season.
       
      The Redskins have developed a reputation for not responding well to adjustments. They had little answer for the adjustments Dallas made to their offense. Ditto the game in Philadelphia.
       
      In both, Washington had a lead to protect and could not.
       
      Coming into the season the defense was expected to the be the strength of the team. Yet in two games they have surrendered 910 yards (445 per game) and 63 points. Not exactly setting the world on fire.
       
      Statistically the Redskins defense are near the bottom in points allowed and yards surrendered.
       
      The coach wants to blame injuries. Not only the their excellent young nose tackle in Jonathan Allen, but also to the secondary which has already gone significant realignment to accommodate injuries to Quinton Dunbar and Fabian Moreau.
       
      Still, with the specter of a season going off the rails after only two games, the fans want someone to blame.
       
      Wont be the quarterback. Case Keenum has completed 68.2 percent of his passes. He has thrown 3 touchdowns against no interceptions.
      Ditto other skill positions. Adrian Peterson did not his best outing but the team abandoned the run early. The receivers are doling their own, with guys like McLaurin shining.
       
      And as bad as the collapse was last week and the home loss this, it feels too early to call for the head coach.
       
      That leaves those in charge of the defense. Specifically, Defensive Coordinator Greg Manusky.
       
      Fan ire seems more and more to be falling on Manusky, if sentiment on twitter and sports radio means anything.
       
      But they don’t decide who stays and who leaves. That is the job of the head coach who so far, is backing his guy.
       
      But there is a higher authority at Redskins Park. Legend has it owner Daniel Snyder once put a gallon of vanilla ice cream outside a Redskins defensive coordinator’s door following a poor performance by the defense.  
       
      Given the start to this season, Manusky could be hearing the ice cream truck in his sleep. And that would be better than what many of the fans are wishing for him.
       
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So nobody remembers the missed face mask on Goff that would have given the Rams first and goal at about the 4, on the drive in which they had to settle for a game tying field goal? 

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3 minutes ago, Berggy9598 said:

So nobody remembers the missed face mask on Goff that would have given the Rams first and goal at about the 4, on the drive in which they had to settle for a game tying field goal? 

 

Thay was already explained that it was incidental contact.

 

byw I just read that refs live in LA and the ref that blew the call is a former Ram player. Just a fun fact.

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Nope, no one but you Tony B ;)

 

I would like to see playoff OT be a full 15. **** it, and **** programming concerns for things on after the game. Plan a long ass post game, and do it.

 

I thought it was funny to hear Brady give a shout out to the guy that called heads.  Folks myself included clamor about calls / non calls, the biggest play of the game may have been that heads call.

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4 minutes ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

 

Thay was already explained that it was incidental contact.

 

byw I just read that refs live in LA and the ref that blew the call is a former Ram player. Just a fun fact.

Where was this explained?  Link?

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2 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

It’s the worst call in NFL history and it absolutely changed the outcome of the game.

 

The game was fixed.

But the Saints had the ball first in OT with a chance to not even give the Rams a chance to touch the ball in OT.  I guess the refs made Brees throw that pick.

 

The way people are crying about OT rules this morning all over, you would think that the Saints won the game at the coin toss in OT.

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1 minute ago, TryTheBeal! said:

It’s the worst call in NFL history and it absolutely changed the outcome of the game.

 

The game was fixed.

You know what else could have changed the outcome of the game though? The saints getting a touchdown in overtime :) 

 

they had another shot to win the game, and Brees threw an interception. 

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What happened in OT is meaningless*, because OT never should’ve happened.  And everybody knows that.

 

*except Zeurleins kick.  That **** was money.  Respect.

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15 minutes ago, purbeast said:

Where was this explained?  Link?

 

It was broadcasted by a radio station today. Apparently the ref crew is from LA and one is a former rams player.Dude that crew is gonna need protection after that leak.

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16 minutes ago, purbeast said:

Where was this explained?  Link?

Considering the defender actually clutched Goff's facemask the explanation would be wrong anyway. 

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15 minutes ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

 

Thay was already explained that it was incidental contact.

 

byw I just read that refs live in LA and the ref that blew the call is a former Ram player. Just a fun fact.

 

Can you post a link to this? I cannot find anything to support either statement. Not saying it's not true - just that I cannot find it. 

 

I did find that the Rams fans started a petition to remove Bill Vinovich as head of referees for the NFCC game as the Rams were 0-8 in the games he has been the head referee, including the game earlier in the season.  So if it is true that they are from LA - it certainly has not helped LA in the past.

 

The good news - if you believe the conspiracies, - the head of referees for the SB will be John Parry - The Rams are 7-0 when he is head of referees. 

 

Link: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/angry-rams-fans-have-started-a-petition-to-get-ref-removed-from-nfc-championship-game-and-heres-why/

 

 

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One way or another belly aching about a call deciding the game is fan nonsense. Any coach or player at any level will tell you that you bad calls are part of the game and you play through them. Some people here need a CostCo sized box of Klenex. 

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17 minutes ago, Berggy9598 said:

Considering the defender actually clutched Goff's facemask the explanation would be wrong anyway. 

Yeah, and regardless of it being incidental or not, that has no bearing on whether or not a call is made.

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I'll never say the Rams don't deserve to be in the SB. It's obvious to everyone that it was a blown PI call. I won't say "missed" call, because you simply can't miss that. You either call it because it should be called, or you decide that you don't want to call it. Payton needs to shoulder a lot of blame for the asinine play-calling of his on that drive. Why not run the doggone ball and eat some clock, making the Rams have to use their last timeouts? I won't dwell on that PI non-call. The Rams were getting hosed the entire game, and I mean HOSED. Not a single penalty against the Saint til about mid-way through the 3rd quarter. And all of those non-calls on delay of game when the clock had clearly expired? The Saints can't say a thing in the world about how officiating cost them the game. Officiating helped them tremendously in the early going, but better coaching helped the Rams overcome the early officiating, the crowd, a deficit, and a young QB with the jitters in the Superdome. Kudos to Boy Wonder and the Rams for winning the NFC Championship.

 

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Wasn't able to listen to much of either game (wasn't feeling too well) but two OTs on championship Sunday - has that happened before? 

 

-I dunno what to say about the Saints game. I know there were a few missed calls that went New Orleans way but in an era where you can hardly breathe on receivers once they're past that 5 yard zone from the LOS, there is absolutely no excuse for them to miss that DPI call on Robey -Coleman. That would have been DPI pre-1978. All that said, that Zuerlein field goal was so clutch. That would have been good from 65 yards out. 

 

-No but seriously, how do you expect to beat the Pats when you give up, like, 4 consecutive 3rd and longs like the Chiefs did against the Pats? For a stadium known for its home field advantage and noise, they've had more playoff heartbreak at Arrowhead than perhaps any other stadium in the country.

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16 minutes ago, skinzplay said:

I'll never say the Rams don't deserve to be in the SB. It's obvious to everyone that it was a blown PI call. I won't say "missed" call, because you simply can't miss that. You either call it because it should be called, or you decide that you don't want to call it. Payton needs to shoulder a lot of blame for the asinine play-calling of his on that drive. Why not run the doggone ball and eat some clock, making the Rams have to use their last timeouts? I won't dwell on that PI non-call. The Rams were getting hosed the entire game, and I mean HOSED. Not a single penalty against the Saint til about mid-way through the 3rd quarter. And all of those non-calls on delay of game when the clock had clearly expired? The Saints can't say a thing in the world about how officiating cost them the game. Officiating helped them tremendously in the early going, but better coaching helped the Rams overcome the early officiating, the crowd, a deficit, and a young QB with the jitters in the Superdome. Kudos to Boy Wonder and the Rams for winning the NFC Championship.

 

 

The Rams committed multiple PI that weren’t called all game that the announcers even spoke up. Also the Rams should have had multiple helmet to helmet called against them. Rams were no way innocent.

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I honestly don't think any fanbase is feeling as bad as the Chiefs' right now. I can't imagine how badly that loss hurt, particularly that neutral zone infraction play. They had the game won right there. Their first Super Bowl in nearly 50 years. For just those few seconds, it was all theirs, and then ... to see that flag and to see such a ridiculous, easily-avoided penalty take that win away ... that is a mule kick to the spleen of epic proportions. 

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Grabbed this from Twitter 

 

-Back judge Todd Prukop is from near Los Angeles

 

-Side judge Gary Cavaletto lives near Los Angeles

 

-Official Phil McKinnely is from L.A., went to UCLA, and played for the Rams

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10 hours ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

 

I mean they shouldn’t be there according to the league so kind of defeats the purpose of the super bowl to have the best teams.

 

Yes, that was a blown call. It happens. But the Saints got another chance in OT to go down the field to score a TD. They failed instead. Maybe the Rams will win the SB like the Eagles did last year. We shall see. 

 

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13 minutes ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

 

The Rams committed multiple PI that weren’t called all game that the announcers even spoke up. Also the Rams should have had multiple helmet to helmet called against them. Rams were no way innocent.

Not saying they're innocent, just that the Saints can't blame their loss on officiating. Sure, there was helmet-to-helmet contact, but the officials were told before the game to watch carefully to see if the offensive player lowered or angled his head as or before the defender began the action of tackling. They were told to use their judgment to determine intent. It was blown terribly on the non-call that everyone is talking about, no doubt. But the Saints need to look elsewhere for the ultimate cause of their demise yesterday. Payton's play-calling on their last drive of regulation just plain stupid. You know who can blame their loss on the officiating and do so with confidence and a straight face -- the 2001 Maryland Terrapins basketball team, in that Final Four loss to Duke. Lots of officials, themselves, still talk about how Maryland got jobbed by Ted Hillary, Dave Libbey, and Mark Reischling in that game.

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1 hour ago, purbeast said:

Oh so the Saints won the NFC Championship game?  

 

So you're using an argument in which both teams had an equal opportunity to win as evidence that both teams shouldn't have equal opportunity to win. 

 

Ok. 

30 minutes ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

Grabbed this from Twitter 

 

-Back judge Todd Prukop is from near Los Angeles

 

-Side judge Gary Cavaletto lives near Los Angeles

 

-Official Phil McKinnely is from L.A., went to UCLA, and played for the Rams

 

Now you are just being ridiculous. 

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1 minute ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

So you're using an argument in which both teams had an equal opportunity to win as evidence that both teams shouldn't have equal opportunity to win. 

 

Ok. 

You said in OT the games are decided on the coin flip.

 

The Saints won the coin flip.

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1 minute ago, purbeast said:

You said in OT the games are decided on the coin flip.

 

The Saints won the coin flip.

 

Obviously it's not decided every time but it certainly is a lot of the time. Regardless, the point is that it is unfair that the Chiefs didn't have a chance to put their best unit on the field. Hell, even if they had the number 1 defense in the league, both teams should get a chance on offense.

 

Start both teams on the 30 for OT 1 and let their offense get a chance. If the score is the same after both teams have the ball, move them back to the 40 for OT2. Then the 50 for OT3. Then they continue from the 50 but have to go for 2 after that.

 

Unbiased, unprejudcied...fair. 

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1 minute ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

Obviously it's not decided every time but it certainly is a lot of the time.

Like when it fits your argument.

 

Gotcha.

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