No Excuses Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) They were never going to win a trade war against China unless Europe and most developing Asian countries were brought onboard to isolate it further. The way to defeat China was global isolation through vehicles like the TPP. China has expanded its global reach at the same time as we have tried this bungling mess of a trade war. At this point, it’s far more likely that we will cave on some really big issues (like technology) to end this. China has all the incentive in the world to push their boots on our necks as we face a national election next year. The really bad part of this is that TPP and other forms of isolation would have really put China in a bad spot right now. The world is paying attention to what is happening in Xinjiang and Hong Kong. China’s global image is suffering and it could have been a lot worse if they were facing global isolation. Edited August 6, 2019 by No Excuses 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Yeah, let's get rid of the free trade zone that includes 40% of the world's GDP, and excludes China. A spastic array of reflex tariffs announced by tweet is the key to Winning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) Edited August 6, 2019 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FanboyOf91 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Xi Jinping just needs to start sending nice letters to get the tariffs removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Market manipulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, visionary said: Market manipulator. Who really really wants to be a currency manipulator, too. (And I'll just file the idea that the GOP isn't going ape **** over Trump casually mentioning that he'd really like his staff to weaken the dollar, next to them not saying a word about him attacking NATO, or suggesting we default on the national debt.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Also admiring the logic. "I insist that my tariffs have no effect on Americans whatsoever, and are paid entirely by China. Therefore I'm delaying implementing them till after the black Friday sales." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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China Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Here’s What New Tariffs Will Cost the Average American Household The average American household will be down $1,000 per year thanks to the newest round of tariffs on Chinese goods, according to J.P. Morgan. The firm estimates the average annual tariff cost per household will increase from $600 from the first two rounds of tariffs. The new tariffs are scheduled to begin Sept. 1 and in mid-December. “What distinguishes China Phase III tariffs from preceding tariffs is the impact to Consumption and Capital goods whereas previous tariffs focused more on Intermediate goods,” J.P. Morgan head of U.S. equity strategy Dubravko Lakos-Bujas said in a note to clients. “This suggests that the expected consumer impact should be larger in the latest round.” President Donald Trump surprised investors earlier this month by ending a tariff ceasefire with China and announcing new tariffs of 10% on the remaining $300 billion in Chinese imports, starting next month. He later delayed some of the tariffs until Dec. 15. This third tranche of duties affect consumer goods more than the previous levies did. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 China basically telling Agent Orange to go **** himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 That'll teach him to ask whether China or the Fed were bigger enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 "How can we fix this?" "Sir, I recommend we keep doing what we're already doing, only more!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Angry tweet confirming later today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 There it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I'm certain that an escalation of the trade war will make things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Relax, Donald's gotta it all figured out. Everything he touches turn to gold. #STABLEGENIUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 7:21 PM, visionary said: When did Ed Asner become secretary of agriculture? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 16 hours ago, Cooked Crack said: Changes like this in supply chains are likely permanent, meaning that even after Trump, most businesses won’t recover. People who vote for him again in 2020 really are a special bunch of cortically damaged numpties. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: When did Ed Asner become secretary of agriculture? When Eddie Albert quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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