RemoveSnyder Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Came across this vid and thought it was an interesting thing to post that no one has done yet. The editor is one of the contributors to draftbreakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 We need a NT. Where can we nab a NT in the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 We need a NT. Where can we nab a NT in the draft? We can do that in every round we have a pick in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 We need a NT. Where can we nab a NT in the draft? There are a bunch. Nix, Kerr, Ellis, Ferguson, the guy from Oregon, Mccullers ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 We can do that in every round we have a pick in Dukes - I personally feel that an impact NT is critical for the sucess of this D. My understanding is that impact NTs are few and far between and they would likely go high in the draft. Therefore, I think that we'd need to go with our first pick. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Dukes - I personally feel that an impact NT is critical for the sucess of this D. My understanding is that impact NTs are few and far between and they would likely go high in the draft. Therefore, I think that we'd need to go with our first pick. Thoughts? Well unless Louis Nix is there in round 2, we'd be making a major mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I don't think he's a value pick in the 2nd either but I don't think he's there in the 3rd and when you look at deep threats in this class he's the 3rd best guy. Some team like SF won't worry about value on him, but not sure if we can afford that. I loved the way he adjusted to the deep ball. He's not like Hankerson, he's basically Aldrick in Hankerson's body. I wouldn't be ecstatic about him in round 2 but he's a pick that I'd understand.I agree. Value is relative in the draft. If a player you want will be gone by your next pick it doesn't make much sense to me to pass on them because of perceived value. The market is the market. You respect your board and you gotta read the trends. The old saying goes better 1 round early then 1 pick too late. IF Bryant didn't learn any other routes then those he ran in college he would still have an instant role in this offense because of his physical skillset. Big, tall, fast, ability to high point. I like your comparison of Aldrick in Hankerson's body and at 6'5 he's even taller then Hank and he can jump. You plug him into Aldrick's role and some of those long open incompletions turn into big plays, some of those jump balls are caught and more jump balls are thrown, there is another RZ fade option other then Reed. One could argue that those alone would warrant a 2nd round pick and be a huge boost to the passing game and offense. Maybe team would respect Bryant enough to draw some safety help deep? Thus creating more space etc... But then again, maybe the team might like someone like Donte Moncrief in the 3rd round? He could provide some of the same vertical receiver ability but is a more well rounded receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Well unless Louis Nix is there in round 2, we'd be making a major mistake. Just looked up Nix and seems like he's projected in first round. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradboyd80 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Just looked up Nix and seems like he's projected in first round. Damn. Yeah, based on what I've read about him, there's no way he lasts into the 20's, much less 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Just looked up Nix and seems like he's projected in first round. Damn. Late first. Could easily slide. Yeah, based on what I've read about him, there's no way he lasts into the 20's, much less 34. His combine and injury have pushed him down the boards very far. I could see him falling. He is a 2 down guy who many think doesn't have a very high ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Yeah, based on what I've read about him, there's no way he lasts into the 20's, much less 34. Any of the other NTs worth a look w/ our 2nd rounder? Any of them considered "impact" - no sense in drafting a guy who is unlikely to make a difference, or even start. If that is case, would rather use pick on OL, CB, or tall WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Any of the other NTs worth a look w/ our 2nd rounder? Any of them considered "impact" - no sense in drafting a guy who is unlikely to make a difference, or even start. If that is case, would rather use pick on OL, CB, or tall WR. No not at all really. Ego Ferguson is worth a 3rd tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Late first. Could easily slide. His combine and injury have pushed him down the boards very far. I could see him falling. He is a 2 down guy who many think doesn't have a very high ceiling. I haven't been following him, what is his injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I haven't been following him, what is his injury? Tore his meniscus iirc. Usually not a big deal but a man his size might have some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Late first. Could easily slide. His combine and injury have pushed him down the boards very far. I could see him falling. He is a 2 down guy who many think doesn't have a very high ceiling. Does he stack up against that guy from the Chiefs (Poe)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Does he stack up against that guy from the Chiefs (Poe)? Poe had much much more athleticism and was projected in the first because of his insane potential. If you look at their careers, Nix has the nod over Poe by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Mike Mayock's updated his Top 5 positional rankings for the Post-Combine. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330427/article/mike-mayocks-updated-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft Notable changes. He dropped Cyril Richardson out of his top 5 guards. He's basically cheating here, but he's saying this draft is loaded with WR talent. He's now included Tuitt, despite Tuitt breaking his foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Posted this over in FA thread but it's OT there and was spurned from a "trade Orakpo" comment. What if we traded Orakpo and Cousins to Oakland for the 5th pick. Traded 5th pick (aka Sammy Watkins) to the Jets for their 1st (18), 2nd (49), 3rd (69) and 4th (111). Then trade 1st (18) and 4th (111) from Jets to Carolina who wants Ebron at TE for their 1st (28) and 2nd (60). You'd end up with: 1st, three 2nds, two 3rds, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th 28, 34, 49, 60, 66, 69, 98, 130, 162, 194 Could draft Brandin Cooks, Dee Ford, Lamarcus Joyner, Martavis Bryant, Cyril Richardson, Christian Jones, Seantrel Henderson, Brent Urban, Aaron Murray, Punter That's pretty much a pipe dream though. Oh well haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Mike Mayock's updated his Top 5 positional rankings for the Post-Combine. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330427/article/mike-mayocks-updated-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft Notable changes. He dropped Cyril Richardson out of his top 5 guards. He's basically cheating here, but he's saying this draft is loaded with WR talent. He's now included Tuitt, despite Tuitt breaking his foot. Lol @ Trai Turner at 5. Mayock looks so much into the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Lol @ Trai Turner at 5. Mayock looks so much into the combine. In this case, just the 40 time (which, granted, was impressive for any Olineman, especially a Guard). Turner didn't do any of the drills that require lateral agility though, said he's saving those for his pro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 In this case, just the 40 time (which, granted, was impressive for any Olineman, especially a Guard). Turner didn't do any of the drills that require lateral agility though, said he's saving those for his pro day. His film left me pretty unimpressed too. His injury history is extensive iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Mike Mayock's updated his Top 5 positional rankings for the Post-Combine. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330427/article/mike-mayocks-updated-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft Well, just did a quick check on things. MM places Jason Verrett as his #5 overall CB. CBS places him as their #3 overall CB. Draft Scout places him #3 overall as well, for the CBs. Going with Mayock's #5 overall ranking, just for argument's sake, the average overall draft pick, for the #5 overall CB, over the last 5 drafts, is #44.6. This is, however, using Wiki for numbers verification research. So, for example, the 2009 draft on Wiki's page, Malcolm Jenkins was listed as a CB. MJ obviously plays Safety for New Orleans. There's always some discrepancy with Wiki. Anyway, the #44.6, that's a bit skewed because of the 2012 and 2009 drafts. look below: 2013 5th CB - #36 overall (2nd round) ... 2012 5th CB - #62 overall (2nd round) ... 2011 5th CB - #34 overall (2nd round) ... 2010 5th CB - #32 overall (1st round) ... 2009 5th CB - #59 overall (2nd round) ______________________________ So, if I had to ballpark it, I'd look more at 2013 (#36), 2011 (#34) and 2010 (#32) as the indicator as to where the 5th overall CB gets selected. ... There is some hope that Verrett is available at #34 ... But if teams rank him more like #3 overall for the CBs, he's gone in the 1st ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 There is some hope that Verrett is available at #34 ... But if teams rank him more like #3 overall for the CBs, he's gone in the 1st ... I think part of it deals with where teams project Verrett to go. I read something indicating teams view Verrett as a future Nickel. That would explain his fall to 5th best since he isn't a "starter". We ran with Amerson, Wilson, and Hall on the field for about 2/3rds of our defensive snaps. If we drafted Verrett, and even though he'd be a Nickel for us, he'd be getting a lot of playing time and would seriously upgrade our defense. One of the reasons we lost the 49ers game, was because they targeted whoever Josh Wilson was covering. Wilson never gets his head turned around and can never make a play on the ball, so teams will throw all day against him without fear of an interception plus the chance of pass interference. While Verrett may not have David Amerson level hands, he does make a lot of plays for the ball. It would also limit how much we'd be dinked and dunked to death. Since we can't tackle, and don't have tight coverage in short routes, a nickel corner like Verrett would be a big upgrade. (This is also why I think Telvin Smith would be a big upgrade) There are a lot of different ways that I feel like we could seriously improve our defense this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Any of the other NTs worth a look w/ our 2nd rounder? Any of them considered "impact" - no sense in drafting a guy who is unlikely to make a difference, or even start. If that is case, would rather use pick on OL, CB, or tall WR. Da'Quan Jones in Round 3 would be the best option or Justin Ellis in round 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Verrett would be a big upgrade. (This is also why I think Telvin Smith would be a big upgrade) Somehow or another we are agreeing on a lot of things this offseason. I don't recall it being that way before. What's going on? Are the geomagnetic planes reversing polarity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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