jivelikenice Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 We have dedicated too many draft resources to the defense.This needs to be the offseason of offense. How many more years can we go with decent defense and an offense that struggles to score 20 points on a regular basis? Too many towards defense? Wasn't the 4th overall pick two years ago an offensive tackle? And don't forget our 3rd and 4th rounders last year also. I agree that offense is where the need is but its all about BPA at a position of need. If we either can't trade up for RGIII or filled the qb need elsewhere pre-draft, then to me there are only two players I'm really interested in at 6. Blackmon or Claiborne. If either one of them are there you take them. We need a game changer this year. About the D; its improved but not dominant yet. Getting Claiborne gives us the opportunity to have a dominant top 5 D year in and year out. I'd rather be great on one side of the ball then just be average on both. That being said I expect Offense will be addressed in free agency, allowing us to go BPA in the draft (minus the whole qb thing of course:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 If we get Flynn or Manning in free agency then I wouldn't have an issue. DO I want Manning or Flynn not really, I would rather get Luck or RG3. If we get a CB and still have Grossman leading this team I will crawl up in ball and cry myself into a coma until we draft a a legit franchise QB. We are getting a QB one way or the other, but I'm leaning towards FA. Why? Because Shanny always talks about "re-building" and trading away a plethora of picks would mean anything but re-building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalRecall Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I just stated in the Peyton thread that I think this will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 This.I mean stranger things have happened, but we must improve this offense. Any blind dog can realize we are not an offensive juggernaut, haven't been since forever, and have to become one. Yup, if we even had an average O we would win prob closer to 8 games a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Let's draft another defensive player so that we can all stare in amazement as the defense gets worn out mid third quarter because the offense can't do anything to help them out.That's been the formula around theses parts for the last ten years and it works beautifully. Good point, and this is what we need to keep in mind. We need to be STACKED on offense. The days of having low ammo on offense due to lack of talent should be no longer excusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Champ - Played his best games in DenverSean Taylor - Is Dead Landry - Had half of a good season Yea sure lets draft secondary again...you conveniently left out Carlos also. And your point is? None of them were busts. Even if the management or Coaches here could not get the most out of them. RIP Sean, don't even know why you went there, proved nothing. Well maybe something, but skip it. ---------- Post added January-13th-2012 at 03:44 PM ---------- If Shanahan wants to come back for year 4, I don't think it would be a good idea. Why the fans going to fire them? ---------- Post added January-13th-2012 at 03:45 PM ---------- I will tell you categorically and unequivocally (even though I may be disappeared for it) that yes, they will. So you might as well brace for it. Disappeared? Isn't that what happened to guys Tony didn't like on Soprano's. They got disappeared? haha. I think it is a possibility if that is what cards they have to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateNMyEyez Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I would prefer to take a top 15 WR @ #6 than a CB that we don't need. Not to say Dhall or JWilson are perfect. But i think we are servicable there. And we have much more glaring needs, especially on offense, than CB... thats just me though.. dhall is not perfect, he actually flat out sucks at man coverage. i dont want him back. The fact that doesnt bother you at all worries me. All we need is a qb and cb and some line fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Too many towards defense? Wasn't the 4th overall pick two years ago an offensive tackle? And don't forget our 3rd and 4th rounders last year also. I agree that offense is where the need is but its all about BPA at a position of need. If we either can't trade up for RGIII or filled the qb need elsewhere pre-draft, then to me there are only two players I'm really interested in at 6. Blackmon or Claiborne. If either one of them are there you take them. We need a game changer this year. About the D; its improved but not dominant yet. Getting Claiborne gives us the opportunity to have a dominant top 5 D year in and year out. I'd rather be great on one side of the ball then just be average on both. That being said I expect Offense will be addressed in free agency, allowing us to go BPA in the draft (minus the whole qb thing of course:) New Orleans-Great offense-Average/below defense Green Bay-Great offense-Average defense New England-Great offense-lousy defense San Fran-Great defense-Pedestrian offense Ratbirds-See San Fran because giving them any credit makes me sick Denver-Solid defense-Depends on what Tebow shows up offense Houston-Can be well-balanced Giants??? They are a farking mystery sometimes. Anybody see a pattern from the majority of the teams I've listed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cen Tex Skins Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Taking a CB with #6=Unacceptable Trading #6 and moving down=Unacceptable Trading for Bradford=Unacceptable Taking anbody in the 1st rd.EXCEPT LUCK or RG3=Unacceptable There is no good reason why we should not come away with either RGIII or Luck(granted Indy is most likely taking Luck and however remote the chance may be...we still might have a shot at him). -If Shanny wants another season in D.C.-Draft RG3 -If Danny doesn't want to lose his fan base entirely, they better draft RG3 -If we are to have any chance of getting back to our winning ways and being consistant winners again-Draft RG3 It's the right choice to make Imho, he's a bonafide 1st round(Heisman winning)QB. Settling for mediocrity isn't going to work anymore.Get it done..NO more excuses! Period.HAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missouri_Skins_Fan Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The only way imo, this would be an acceptable decision (in my view) Is if Luck was impossible to get The trade up to the Rams or Vikings was just too ridiculous of a compensation package to even flinch with the idea of getting RG3. Our trade down options were minimal at best and the offers were lame and we took a QB with our 2nd rd pick like a Foles or a Tannehill dropped to us miraculously. Or even a Tyler Wilson was there in the 2nd? If that were to happen, I couldn't really be that upset with the outcome. I wouldn't be doing cartwheels, but I wouldn't be throwing rubber bricks at the TV neither. Cause we really haven't had an elite corner since Champ & i thought he's played way better since being in Denver, than here. And with the way this League has become so pass happy, how could you really be "upset" with the pick? Look how much of an impact Patrick Peterson has been with the Cardinals? But still...I want my RG3 Something special about that dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I'm not too high on Manning, but we may not have a choice being that the QB cupboard is thin. I have to ask....what are you smoking? Care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Why the fans going to fire them? No, but another 5-11 season and Snyder will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Anybody see a pattern from the majority of the teams I've listed? Is it that you're not right nearly as often as you think you are and are at least as big an ass as any moderator? That's not it? Is it about cheerleaders? :pfft: :evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I have to ask....what are you smoking? Care to share? What exactly are you asking? ---------- Post added January-13th-2012 at 03:54 PM ---------- Is it that you're not right nearly as often as you think you are and are at least as big an ass as any moderator?That's not it? Is it about cheerleaders? :pfft: :evilg: Oh I'm right. I'm damn right and I'm not as big an ass as are the Mods. I'm a much bigger ass.:evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAIL Freezes Ova Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The last time we decided to draft a corner before a QB it didn't work out so well. We took the guy who didn't have enough Ds in his last name. I dont know. The 49ers seem happy with our selection!................. wait............ awww man:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I will tell you categorically and unequivocally (even though I may be disappeared for it) that yes, they will. So you might as well brace for it. Why? What am I missign, inside joke?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Is it that you're not right nearly as often as you think you are and are at least as big an ass as any moderator?That's not it? Is it about cheerleaders? :pfft: :evilg: No no no! They all do not start with vowels! Nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Why? What am I missign, inside joke?? I am always deadly serious. ---------- Post added January-13th-2012 at 01:00 PM ---------- Oh I'm right. I'm damn right and I'm not as big an ass as are the Mods. I'm a much bigger ass.:evilg: There's a whole Hog of junk in that trunk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 What exactly are you asking?I was joking. You had said you don't like Peyton Manning, and I was joking, insinuating you were high, and wondered if you could share with me. Now that I explained it, doesn't seem so funny anymore. :sigh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 If we do not draft RGIII, the season is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I was joking. You had said you don't like Peyton Manning, and I was joking, insinuating you were high, and wondered if you could share with me. Now that I explained it, doesn't seem so funny anymore. :sigh: You're right. It wasn't funny, but this post certainly was. JFTR. When I mean I am not too "high' on Manning I am strictly speaking medically. ---------- Post added January-13th-2012 at 04:07 PM ---------- If we do not draft RGIII, the season is lost. Well, you might want to go into a self induced coma because chances of us getting him are slim. Anybody else have doubts about RGIII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Champ - Played his best games in DenverSean Taylor - Is Dead Landry - Had half of a good season Yea sure lets draft secondary again...you conveniently left out Carlos also. Champ: Traded him for the only bit of O this team has had in the last 12-15 years Sean Taylor: Was prob the 2nd best FS in the league at the time of his death Landry: Was forced to play out of position b/c of ST's death Los: Was prob out best cover corner we had. But he couldn't make the big plays for us so we couldn't pay him the big $$. BTW if you haven't noticed he's in the pro-bowl Not saying we need to draft a CB but using those guys as reasons not too doens't help your case. But good try!!! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabsuz Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 If it is Morris Claiborne at 6 I will be physically sick, him and Patrick Peterson are cut from the same cloth. Garbage in coverage but good ball skills and flashy returns, ask any decent Cardinals fan about Patrick Peterson's coverage this year, very subpar in covering situations. Morris is the exact same in my opinion, he is overrated like PP was and like a Hall or McCourty, gamblers who make flashy plays that mask their mediocre coverage. I think our secondary is good, everyone haters their corners it seems. The main issue with our secondary is the best players are injured all the time, like Landry and Atogwe. If we didn't have a shot at a great QB, I would advocating trading down if that opportunity presents itself, but if it isn't that opens a whole slew of questions and options. Blackmon would be nice to bolster our old and mediocre WR corp, a RT to solidify our line like Reiff or Martin. If we have to stay at 6 with RG3 and Luck off the table, I wouldn't be upset with these guys. Blackmon Reiff Floyd Jeffrey DeCastro Dennard Kuechly I'm not in love with drafting an of them really, maybes besides one of the big 3 WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romberjo Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 If it is Morris Claiborne at 6 I will be physically sick, him and Patrick Peterson are cut from the same cloth. Garbage in coverage but good ball skills and flashy returns, ask any decent Cardinals fan about Patrick Peterson's coverage this year, very subpar in covering situations. Morris is the exact same in my opinion, he is overrated like PP was and like a Hall or McCourty, gamblers who make flashy plays that mask their mediocre coverage. Have you watched Claiborne? Are you thinking of Mathieu (who is a flashy gambler, though a good one)? I only watched Claiborne once (in the BCS title game), but he was unbelievably solid in coverage, and that's certainly the opinion of every draft commentator I've read.Kirkpatrick I'm iffier on, but I wouldn't be disappointed with Claiborne at 6. I'd prefer a trade up (for QB) or trade down to better match need (or taking Blackmon at 6 if he were still available), but I wouldn't be at all surprised or particularly disappointed with Claiborne at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 If it is Morris Claiborne at 6 I will be physically sick, him and Patrick Peterson are cut from the same cloth. Garbage in coverage but good ball skills and flashy returns, ask any decent Cardinals fan about Patrick Peterson's coverage this year, very subpar in covering situations. Morris is the exact same in my opinion, he is overrated like PP was and like a Hall or McCourty, gamblers who make flashy plays that mask their mediocre coverage. Peterson started to come on later in the year. He shutdown AJ Green and Green said he was the best corner he played against all year. Peterson didn't have a good year at CB, but he flashed his bigtime potential and any team in the league would take him. http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2012/1/13/2704224/patrick-petersons-coverage-stats-shocking-and-not-in-a-good-way Claiborne is a similar player, but a better corner and not as explosive as a returner. Don't label him just because of the school and Peterson's rookie year. That said, I don't want a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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