Jumbo Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Always thought you favored Lenon over McCartney. Nah, if I have to pick out of solo careers, I go Paul, overall (syrup, sap, and all---he has more weight in his body of work than many think, IMO). As a group, I think they were the prime pop-music example of a sum being greater than the parts. When it was all going down originally, I really liked them, but was a bit more a Stones/Animals/Yardbirds guy for the first few years. I did become, and remain, one of those people who think the Beatles are the greatest ever (sorry Andy ). But I even liked The Dave Clark 5 at first. So....any way you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 That's a pretty tough post to understand but if you are suggesting McCain/Palin 08 got more votes than Obama/Biden 12 you are incorrect.http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/common/pop_vote.html I demand a recount....and a incompetency ruling for Cali voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Weird someone would mix twa with correct. Very misplaced. :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Speaking of a gross oversimplificationYou conflate the party nomination process with a national election in error....and you know better Red herring. But if you want to focus on the tens of millions of GOPers who voted for Romney in the national election instead of the 6-ring circus that was the GOP primary, then be my guest. The GOP collectively supported Romney over all others both times. :groupwave: Focusing on one race over the over won't free the GOP from either Romney's political ghost or his worldview. Today's GOP platform was purpose-build to maximize favors to Romney's demographic; people are not forgetting that and Ryan is helping to keep their memories fresh. Party and the candidate are inseparable when they share a perspective, and Romney '12 is a fantastic example. 61 million votes... most of them card-carrying GOPers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Mjah, It's just consistency. Remember when in 2008 Republicans declared that G W Bush was not a conservative after holding up for seven years as the conservative ideal even going so far as to say any disagreement with Bush was equal to treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Red herring. : Yet McCain/Palin got more votes,which in your example means their platform was more popular or was it just Palin's charm? voters sitting out for both parties platforms is not a sign of strength for either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Yet McCain/Palin got more votes,which in your example means their platform was more popularor was it just Palin's charm? voters sitting out for both parties platforms is not a sign of strength for either Both sides were demoralized by the lack of economic progress following the 08 D victory and the 10 R victory. Are you seriously championing a gov who left office to cash in on a failed TV career? If only Palin would run for president, then the GOP could regain its former glory :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I am using his theory of votes = support of platforms I agree people are demoralized by reality when it sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Yet McCain/Palin got more votes,which in your example means their platform was more popularor was it just Palin's charm? That's a mighty tempting diversion you're dangling there. But no thanks. Romney's own words said it all, when he was talking to the most ardent and deep-pocketed movers and shakers of his own party and thought nobody else was listening. Romney was the GOP's selected go-to standard bearer, platform pusher, demographically fitting toothy pitchman, and enthusiastic benefactor through and through. All rolled into one. And he was happy to do it. To him, the GOP was the best fitting party money could buy. All it cost him, aside from other people's money, was the inconvenience of running away from everything he had ever done as an elected politician. The GOP didn't compromise on their principles to get Romney -- Romney compromised on his and rolled over for the GOP. He took their platform, slapped his face on the front of it, and... the whole thing failed spectacularly. Things only improved once he flip-flopped and tried to convince people he didn't believe in that platform after all! But no, surely that's not the platform's fault. Surely it was the fault of the decal on the front. Surely someone else would have done better with such a tone-deaf, crappy party vision. The same one Ryan and friends are still pushing now. :pfft: This bitter divorce makes for some highly entertaining viewing. You really ought to disown the entire family though, instead of pretending you hate the ex-husband while still embracing the crazy in-laws. Maybe try a Big Bird gambit next? "Remember, I'm not just the GOP's would-be President... I'm also a client." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 thanks for agreeing with me ...the face lost votes(despite being more established and 'competent"),rather than the platform. perhaps they can find one that doesn't have the baggage of "the inconvenience of running away from everything he had ever done as an elected politician. " since that obviously doesn't attract voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I agree. I think the GOP should stick with the same platform they've been pushing for 30 years, only they need to be more pure about it. Find somebody who has a long history of never disagreeing with their core beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I agree. I think the GOP should stick with the same platform they've been pushing for 30 years, only they need to be more pure about it. Find somebody who has a long history of never disagreeing with their core beliefs. All your ovary are belong to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 thanks for agreeing with me ...the face lost votes(despite being more established and 'competent"),rather than the platform.perhaps they can find one that doesn't have the baggage of "the inconvenience of running away from everything he had ever done as an elected politician. " since that obviously doesn't attract voters twa...I'm no easy lover of dems/left per se, but in aggregate, for the last 12 yeas at least, the GOP, it's platform and ALMOST ALL its "faces" really ****ing totally sucks in a number of very meaningful ways, way worse than its main rival. i hate living on the difference between the two in overall suckage, however. just my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I agree. I think the GOP should stick with the same platform they've been pushing for 30 years, only they need to be more pure about it. Find somebody who has a long history of never disagreeing with their core beliefs. trying to keep me from ruling eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 trying to keep me from ruling eh? i think i would prefer you by a good margin, even knowing you'd be very needing of competent advisors in most areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 trying to keep me from ruling eh? No, actually, I think you would be their perfect candidate. In fact, whenever I think of the Republican Party, I think of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 i think i would prefer you by a good margin, even knowing you'd be very needing of competent advisors in most areas. Mere details, advisers are plentifull....competency less so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Mere details, advisers are plentifull....competency less so Something I love about both my primary professions in life to date...plenty of evaluative methods beyond self and availability of empirical evidence by which to gauge competency beyond typical materialistic definitions of "success". I would be happy to serve in your cabinet. :evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 as long as ya bring bourbon and macaroons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 no message..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 trying to keep me from ruling eh? No, actually, I think you would be their perfect candidate. In fact, whenever I think of the Republican Party, I think of you. I'm not alone. Whew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.