Ruff Stuff Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Orakpo could start for a playoff team, but he is horrible in coverage, horrible against the run and over pursues like a crackhead. He should be a passing down specialist on a playoff team but definitely not an every down guy. Flame me all you want, but when one of your best players is consistently making mistakes.. you're a bad team. This is more true then it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 You like most Redskins fans overrate a lot of our talent. You are just extremely pessimistic. All of those guys, sans maybe Moss, would start elsewhere. Trent would likely be a RT in a playoff situation, though. Cofield started for a playoff team just last year. Rak and Kerrigan are both very good. Davis would play significant time for plenty of playoff teams. London Fletcher is one of the best backers in the game. Landry would start because of his freak athleticism. Atogwe is a pretty damned good coverage FS. The problem really lies in our offensive talent, and total depth. We have no starting QBs, though Beck is a sufficient backup. Our receiver situation is bleak. Our RBs are okay and our OL isn't very good even with the starters. With the injuries, we've shown to have very little depth. Recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benskins26 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 You like most Redskins fans overrate a lot of our talent. I don't have a problem with the list, more so the positions. Trent would be a RT, Moss would be 2nd receiver, maybe slot. Cofield and Rak are part of a rotation, not every down guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iXiBrianiXi Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Agreed.I like Orakpo but he is misused in the 3-4. He needs to be a 4-3 DE and not have to worry about covering guys. He's undersized for a 43 DE. And he's actually much better in run defense this year. Sure he's not the greatest bust most 34 OLB aren't. He's done much better this year. Today was an aberration but the entire defense sucked ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 The Redskins are starting to resemble a MASH unit!People want to rant about the lack of talent up front but we're now missing 4 starters on offense to injury and 5 if you include the replacement of Grossman. It's hard enough to rebuild a team to begin with but reaching down into the depth of the reserves is a tall order. Teams do it all the time. Buffalo? Detroit? San Fran? Tampa? Stop making these excuse to help rationalize the redskins suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAATopDogg Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 We need more playmakers on offense, particularly at the WR position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 We need more playmakers on offense, particularly at the WR position. Mike knew this when he took over and I don't know what hes doing about it. Its weird because we have needed an infusion of playmaking ability at that position for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I don't have a problem with the list, more so the positions. Trent would be a RT, Moss would be 2nd receiver, maybe slot. Cofield and Rak are part of a rotation, not every down guys. Read the post directly above yours. I never said WHAT position they'd be in, by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iXiBrianiXi Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Mike knew this when he took over and I don't know what hes doing about it. Its weird because we have needed an infusion of playmaking ability at that position for a long time. I know, drafting 3 WR's and 2 TE's isn't attempting to get an infusion. Paul got into it today due to his blocking, Hank may take some time, and Robinson is on the Practice squad. Helu has looked great and Roysters on the PS, probably gonna be one of our new backs due to Hightower going down. Dear God, do people think before they post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat~man Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I don't have a problem with the list, more so the positions. Trent would be a RT, Moss would be 2nd receiver, maybe slot. Cofield and Rak are part of a rotation, not every down guys. Couldn't agree more. Moss is not a number 1, I have said it for years. The problem he, he'll have a good game every 3-4 games and people love him for it. If he had a true #1 beside him, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Fitz..then we would love Moss much more. We are counting on Anthony freakin Armstrong to stretch the field... come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I know, drafting 3 WR's and 2 TE's isn't attempting to get an infusion. Paul got into it today due to his blocking, Hank may take some time, and Robinson is on the Practice squad. Helu has looked great and Roysters on the PS, probably gonna be one of our new backs due to Hightower going down.Dear God, do people think before they post? Hank looks lost and Roy Helu is slow as molasses. Thanks for the insult though. I get mocked allot around here only to be proven right by the results on the field. I will be here next week hoping and praying Royster is the truth. Hail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 What I don't understand is that our coach had all off season to find a QB and decided to stick with back up QBs? Exactly who was our there? This upcoming draft seems to be very deep at QB. We have to take a QB top pick this year, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benskins26 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Read the post directly above yours. I never said WHAT position they'd be in, by the way Yeah, I saw that soon as I posted. We said the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Roy Helu is slow as molasses.Hail! Hmm. I dont think we can take you seriously with comments like this. edit; and you call for Royster after all that? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousD Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Teams do it all the time. Buffalo? Detroit? San Fran? Tampa? Stop making these excuse to help rationalize the redskins suck. You're right. I'll stop stating facts and just let my emotions drive the debate because it's far better to be juvenile at times like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iXiBrianiXi Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Hank looks lost and Roy Helu is slow as molasses. Thanks for the insult though. I get mocked allot around here only to be proven right by the results on the field. I will be here next week hoping and praying Royster is the truth. Hail! Because every time you post I have to ask if you've ever even watched a football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 What I don't understand is that our coach had all off season to find a QB and decided to stick with back up QBs? The lockout shortened the offseason to all of about two weeks and there really aren't many good free agent QBs to be found at any given time in this league. Hank looks lost and Roy Helu is slow as molasses. Thanks for the insult though. I get mocked allot around here only to be proven right by the results on the field. I will be here next week hoping and praying Royster is the truth. Hail! If you're describing Helu as slow then you clearly don't understand what it is that you're watching when he's out there. The guy is inarguably very fast... you may just need to decide whether you think he's too patient or not quick enough to be effective. You may also need to double-check the jersey numbers of the guy you're watching because Torain is slow. Personally, I think Helu just doesn't get enough touches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 23, 2011 Author Share Posted October 23, 2011 For the guy who mentioned Buffalo, Detroit, San Fran, and Tampa....get this: all those teams have more talent than us. Buffalo looks like they may have found a legit QB in Fitzpatrick. Stevie Johnson is a top tier WR. Fred Jackson is #2 in the league in rushing. Detroit has a franchise QB in Stafford and the best WR and DT in the league. San Fran has an excellent defense, and one of the best RBs, TEs, and OLs in the league. Tampa has I believe the youngest team in the league and has more talent across the board than we do by far. QB, RB, WR, OL, pretty much every position. This is indisputable. We are bottom 5 in the league in terms of talent. The only teams we might be more talented than is Miami, Seattle, and Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadExField Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 you can also make a counter argument that there is a significant lack of depth across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benskins26 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 For the guy who mentioned Buffalo, Detroit, San Fran, and Tampa....get this: all those teams have more talent than us.Buffalo looks like they may have found a legit QB in Fitzpatrick. Stevie Johnson is a top tier WR. Fred Jackson is #2 in the league in rushing. Detroit has a franchise QB in Stafford and the best WR and DT in the league. San Fran has an excellent defense, and one of the best RBs, TEs, and OLs in the league. Tampa has I believe the youngest team in the league and has more talent across the board than we do by far. QB, RB, WR, OL, pretty much every position. This is indisputable. We are bottom 5 in the league in terms of talent. The only teams we might be more talented than is Miami, Seattle, and Cleveland. I'd argue you on the Cleveland one. Maybe Miami too. They both have major holes, but they have playmakers. Seattle I'd agreed with. So IMO, we're bottom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus71 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Name any of our WR's that will put the fear in any defense? Not one, AA and Smoss are 2nd or 3rd stringers at best!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have said this and said this time and time again . Yes we are not there - there are good parts but I am not sure we have everything right now . I think it is too easy to say - Ah well we need an Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron but every team who does not have them wants them . It is easy to say it harder to get it . The Moss injury will hurt us going forward because this will become a Gaffney lead team with a bunch of ??? behind him - who is the best no 2 WR we have had in probably 10 years but still does not instill confidence- but his injury was not the reason we lost . What we have to do is stay the course (i think this season has the potential to go very sour unless backups start stepping up) -but ANYONE suggesting we need to change coaches or assistants is a moron . chopping and changing horses every season or two is the reason we are in this mess . No continuity = no deapth - we are constantly trying to find starters and spending resources to do that means we have nothing left to fill in the depth . Most teams discussed have been bad for a long time and have started to get things together for longer . Most have had their coaching staff and direction longer than us it helps it really does to be able to sign guys and bring in rookies who do not have to be penciled in as starters ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinder Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 When devaluing the draft meets lousy free agent moves for a decade you get what we have here. Until we find that elusive franchise QB and start making better decisions on the talent that surrounds him we will be that 6-10/9-7 team we all know and love. Right now we are trying to be a passing team with a horrible QB and WR situation, and with 3 wins in the bank there is probably no Luck at the end of the 2011 tunnel. Other than that its all rainbows and unicorns in Redskinsland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benskins26 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 When devaluing the draft meets lousy free agent moves for a decade you get what we have here.Until we find that elusive franchise QB and start making better decisions on the talent that surrounds him we will be that 6-10/9-7 team we all know and love. Right now we are trying to be a passing team with a horrible QB and WR situation, and with 3 wins in the bank there is probably no Luck at the end of the 2011 tunnel. Other than that its all rainbows and unicorns in Redskinsland. You forgot the lollipops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Bleed_B&G Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I think Kerrigan is aleady way ahead of Orakpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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