joeknows Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 first off i would like to say .... hey guys we just beat another traditionally good and fairly deep team! whodathunk? and yet some of yall are goin after each other in these threads with some pretty serious venom. chill and feel some love. we are lookin pretty damned good so far so lets enjoy it and stop all the in fighting... that being said.... HAIL to Helu!! 14 carries for 101 yds and a 7.2 avg in his first professional game. i didnt get to see the game but from what i see from the few highlights he looked pretty good. those of you that got to see the game... how did he look to yall? i have concerns about hightower .... he <in my opinion> doesnt hit the holes low enough. he is way to upright when going through the line and that leads to tackles, turnovers and injury... while he looked good last week...... i didnt like a few times when he hit the holes he wasnt too sure of his feet.... < probably from too high center of gravity> the dt's were able to twist him a bit even if he got through... anyway... heres to a great debut performance..... HAIL to Helu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2STaylor1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 good to see Helu play well and get his confidence up, really looking forward to see how our rushing attack fairs against bmore tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvufootball1976 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 And I see Hightower had another beast of a game on just a few carries....could be a great combo! Keep it up guys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 i guess i should clarify.... i like hightower ... im just concerned over his running style. i would like to see him run a bit lower is all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Helu looked really good. He showed good vision, excellent speed, and a decent amount of power finishing runs. There is no arguing with his YPC so far this preseason. If he keeps playing like this, it will be hard for the coaches to keep him off the field. Hightower looks really good too, Torrain is the incumbent, and I kind of like Royster, but this guy looks like the best of the bunch to me right now. Hopefully he keeps it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'm not sure why you like Helu and not Hightower. Hightower has been great for two weeks now (based on what I saw last week and what I've read/seen via stats this week, I have to wait til Sunday to watch the actual game). Helu was mediocre last week, he didn't show good burst in his cuts at all. It sounds like he did much better tonight, even on his breaks and cuts. But Hightower hits the hole hard, lowers his pad level and explodes through contact. Perhaps he did differently this week? I guess I'll see Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'm not sure why you like Helu and not Hightower. Hightower has been great for two weeks now (based on what I saw last week and what I've read/seen via stats this week, I have to wait til Sunday to watch the actual game). Helu was mediocre last week, he didn't show good burst in his cuts at all. It sounds like he did much better tonight, even on his breaks and cuts. But Hightower hits the hole hard, lowers his pad level and explodes through contact. Perhaps he did differently this week? I guess I'll see Sunday. i like Helu from what i have seen from his college stuff.... i didnt even see that he played last week but i am outside the viewing market and i have had to work during both games. i guess that him being a non factor last week i need to look for those stats. i saw the replay from last week where higtower popped a couple heads... but as a whole i just dont like how upright he is going through the holes. and according to waht i have read here... he has had issues with holding onto the ball. going through the holes upright could be a factor to that because linemen can strip it or a LB can hammer you on the ball and force the fumble.... i like hightower too but i think Helu MIGHT have that something special.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 i saw the replay from last week where higtower popped a couple heads... but as a whole i just dont like how upright he is going through the holes. and according to waht i have read here... he has had issues with holding onto the ball. going through the holes upright could be a factor to that because linemen can strip it or a LB can hammer you on the ball and force the fumble.... He hasn't fumbled in a game yet, as far as I know. The fumble stuff happened early in camp, and in Arizona. That is something that can be fixed. I haven't seen him upright, but perhaps I'll notice it when I get to watch the game this week. Most fumbles comes from being careless. Being high doesn't cause a fumble, poor ball security causes a fumble. Being upright leaves you more susceptible to big hits, though, for sure. And that's where ball security needs to come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Helu has ability that no runner on this roster has. He showed it last night. Nobody other than him could slide to the outside like that and then explode up field. As far as I'm concerned if he's not the starter, the guy who is starting is nothing but a caretaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 He hasn't fumbled in a game yet, as far as I know. The fumble stuff happened early in camp, and in Arizona. That is something that can be fixed. I haven't seen him upright, but perhaps I'll notice it when I get to watch the game this week. Most fumbles comes from being careless. Being high doesn't cause a fumble, poor ball security causes a fumble. Being upright leaves you more susceptible to big hits, though, for sure. And that's where ball security needs to come into play. getting low and covering the ball while hitting the hole IS ball security........by going high ... the ball is more open and more like to be grabbed by a lineman or hit by a tackling LB. if he holds onto it and its his style to run that way and its effective...im behind him... but i do have concerns... but your right... so far so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I don't have any concerns about Hightower. Helu looks solid as well. Both have great vision. The RBBC could be a great thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 i like Helu from what i have seen from his college stuff.... i didnt even see that he played last week but i am outside the viewing market and i have had to work during both games. i guess that him being a non factor last week i need to look for those stats.i saw the replay from last week where higtower popped a couple heads... but as a whole i just dont like how upright he is going through the holes. and according to waht i have read here... he has had issues with holding onto the ball. going through the holes upright could be a factor to that because linemen can strip it or a LB can hammer you on the ball and force the fumble.... i like hightower too but i think Helu MIGHT have that something special.... I think Shanahan agrees which is why they moved up to get him, but he wants a veteran for Helu to learn behind to eventually take over the reigns. At least in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRookie Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Helu looked really good last night. He definitely showed a knack for making quick decisions, finding the crease, and getting everything he could out of each attempt. When we drafted him someone posted his highlight video and I was concerned that it looked like his legs stopped churning when contact was made causing him to go down relatively easily. This definitely was not the case last night - the guy was tough to bring down and fought for every yard he could get. I didn't look at his pass blocking which was the major criticism on him thus far, so someone else can comment on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SprintBomb Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Hightower/Helu looks so much better than Portis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskindan07 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 A good running game could make this team dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skull1669 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I was at the game and this guy is going to be special. He looked like Portis in his early years with Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asoccerplayer99 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Helu's motor last night was phenomenal, as evidenced by the one sideline play that I'm sure I dont need to describe. Hightower hits holes much harder than Helu it seemed though. Maybe both of those can be chalked up to him being a rookie on a team with too many RB's. I dont remember how well Torain plays as well as I remember how well last night's RBs played, but it is possible that especially with his injury that he might be the odd man out in a youth movement year? Does ShanAllen really need/want two veteran RB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashburn Dave Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 We are going to have a great 1-2-3 RBBC punch this year with Torain, Hightower and Helu. I just hope we have enough carries for each of them to keep them happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDiplomat Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I think Torain is a part of the youth movement. He just turned 25 a couple weeks back. I say keep All 4 (Hightower, Torain, Helu, and Royster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I think Torain is one injury away from the end of the line. When healthy he is a beast. Helu looked fast and I really liked the stretch play to the outside where he did not run out of bounds and make great yardage. He is a keeper. One thing Shannys has not stood for in the past, is fumbles. All the backs did a nice jib if switching the ball to the other hand and covering up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailfrmDEN Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 No one mentioned Helu fummbled twice. Both he recovered. The illegal formation penalty took one away. I like him. I wasn't available for my fantasy draft and drafted helu. Hail Helu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 No one mentioned Helu fummbled twice. Both he recovered. The illegal formation penalty took one away. I like him. I wasn't available for my fantasy draft and drafted helu. Hail Helu didnt know about the fumbles... i havent seen any stats on that yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins2victory Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 For one..... I will start by saying the O-line is doing a great job thus far in run blocking. They have really come together are making good holes for these guys, and deserve alot of the credit!! Both running backs look good to me. Cant wait to see the pain train in the mix too. All 3 should do well this year if they can stay healthy, but if one goes down the others should be able to run the show anyway. I look forward to a great year running the ball., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Nice to have talent and options at that position isn't it? Looks promising. I agree on the Oline working well as a unit and being a big part of the running game(obvious) The pieces are falling together...not individual parts anymore. It may be a tad early..but it's possible an area that was a weakness not long ago may be a strength. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Great burst, that's what's been missing from our running game for a long time. He can go from zero to gone very very quickly. Wll be interesting, hoping those young guys stay healthy through the season so we can continue to watch the progression of what hopefully becomes some new faces of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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