The Tris Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think he'd go after all 3 of those. But I'd be really interested to see how the 1st round of the draft Ryan was in would play out with Newton involved. I tend to agree. I would be nice to see him in a class with a really near-flawless QB (though I would argue that all 3 of the past top QBs have had some flaws). This is not his fault, but important to place him in context of the talent level of the NFL, not just his draft class. Just for S&G's, my pre-NFL rankings of the past 4 years of QBs: Bradford Stafford Ryan Gabbert Newton Flacco Sanchez Freeman Tebow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I hear ya. I can't see him going above any of the three guys you mentioned. But none of those guys are doing too shabby in the NFL, I'm really interested in seeing what Stafford can do next year if healthy for the full season. He might be my FFQB sleeeper. My last two sleepers: LT this year Ray Rice the season prior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Yeah, Stafford his really, really talented. Hopefully he can shed the Mr. Glass image like Schaub did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number twenty-eight Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I tend to agree. I would be nice to see him in a class with a really near-flawless QB (though I would argue that all 3 of the past top QBs have had some flaws). This is not his fault, but important to place him in context of the talent level of the NFL, not just his draft class.Just for S&G's, my pre-NFL rankings of the past 4 years of QBs: Bradford Stafford Ryan Gabbert Newton Flacco Sanchez Freeman Tebow I can only speak for the recent BigXII guys, and of them I'd only put Bradford ahead. He has the same killer's mentality as Newton on the field to go with the bionic accuracy. Then Young, then Freeman. I really don't know where to put Gabbert among them. Hey Tris, just as philosophical question, would you feel like we were making out the same way Tampa did with Sapp, or the Vikings with Moss, if he happened to get to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 My order would be: Stafford Bradford(that shoulder really concerned me) Ryan Newton Flacco Gabbert Sanchez Freeman Tebow Crazy how many of these guys are already having enough success to suggest they won't bust out. Seems like an extremely high percent of successful first round QB's compared to previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floodzone004 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 My order would be:Stafford Bradford(that shoulder really concerned me) Ryan Newton Flacco Gabbert Sanchez Freeman Tebow Crazy how many of these guys are already having enough success to suggest they won't bust out. Seems like an extremely high percent of successful first round QB's compared to previous years. I agree with this for the most part. If we're talking just straight up QB skill, mine would be the same but switch with Gabbert and Newton. I wanted Bradford but the shoulder things scared me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I agree with this for the most part. If we're talking just straight up QB skill, mine would be the same but switch with Gabbert and Newton. I wanted Bradford but the shoulder things scared me too. I remember hearing rumor, of us trading for him and I was as nervous as I was excited. The book on Bradford is yet to be written, but his natural ability to play the QB position showed through this season in the NFL, in pretty lousy circumstances for the most part. At this point I kind of wish we had gotten him, but who's to say he won't be injured the next 2 seasons consecutively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Hey Tris, just as philosophical question, would you feel like we were making out the same way Tampa did with Sapp, or the Vikings with Moss, if he happened to get to us? Not sure I understand the question. Crazy how many of these guys are already having enough success to suggest they won't bust out. Seems like an extremely high percent of successful first round QB's compared to previous years. I would call the story on Flacco, Sanchez and Tebow very much incomplete. I am really not sold on them as "franchise" QBs. Especially Flacco and Sanchez, who have support systems that Freeman, Ryan, and Bradford could never dream of. Stafford has skills those three don't, but bad injury luck. Not as worried about his future if he stays healthy. And yeah, three straight years of no out right 1st round QB busts. Odds are very high that that is going to revert to the norm. The question is, will it be Gabbert, Newton, or both (or someone else). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Yeah, Stafford his really, really talented. Hopefully he can shed the Mr. Glass image like Schaub did. The man is extremely talented, one of the better QB's i've scouted since I got into the stuff with only Bradford being rated higher than him. Stafford is a franchise QB if he can stay healthy no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isle-hawg Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I hope and pray some other team saves us from this guy and drafts him before our top 10 pick is wasted on him. This guy seems like the second coming of Ryan Leaf!!!! Edit: just to be clear - Newton = garbage. Somebody will draft and overpay him. Just hoping it is not Danny boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Uhh...possibly because he's a prospect who wasn't intelligent enough to stay out of tons of off-the-field trouble. You notice that he actually joins Mallett as a QB whose intelligence is being questioned...yeah, the prospect with the second biggest number of red flags (drug use, work ethic, etc.). Hell, maybe Mallett's intelligence should be questioned even more (and in many places, it is). But the point is, there's a reason his level of intelligence is questioned. And its real, and tangible, and not utter bull****, unlike the end of your post above.I mean, Jesus Christ. If you're going to be so "bold" as to pull the race card, at least go balls out and just do it. That way we can ridicule you thoroughly, instead of only half-way. If you don't think race plays a factor then your an NAIVE IDIOT. Why don't you try joining the real world instead of whatever fantasy land your living in. Im not talking about people questioning his judgement. People have every right to do that. I'm talking about the people who say he isn't smart enough to run a pro offense, or not smart enough to read nfl defenses. The other qbs aren't dealing with those rediculous questions. Name one other highprofiled black qb that came out that didn't have to go through those same questions...and ill sit and wait for you to answer that because you can't. Now join the real world and acknowledge that this stuff goes on instead of acting like it's a thing of the past. And people wonder why we as a society can't get past racism...its because people like you get scared and act like it doesn't exist everytime its brought up. Grow the fuk up. Now ridicule that. And by the way aren't you the same dude that tried to tell me that the media has nothing to do with a players draft stock? Well its mighty funny that cam has gone from 10 to 3 after one workout for the MEDIA. I told you perception is reality...remember that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floodzone004 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 If you don't think race plays a factor then your an NAIVE IDIOT. Why don't you try joining the real world instead of whatever fantasy land your living in.Im not talking about people questioning his judgement. People have every right to do that. I'm talking about the people who say he isn't smart enough to run a pro offense, or not smart enough to read nfl defenses. The other qbs aren't dealing with those rediculous questions. Name one other highprofiled black qb that came out that didn't have to go through those same questions...and ill sit and wait for you to answer that because you can't. Now join the real world and acknowledge that this stuff goes on instead of acting like it's a thing of the past. And people wonder why we as a society can't get past racism...its because people like you get scared and act like it doesn't exist everytime its brought up. Grow the fuk up. Now ridicule that. And by the way aren't you the same dude that tried to tell me that the media has nothing to do with a players draft stock? Well its mighty funny that cam has gone from 10 to 3 after one workout for the MEDIA. I told you perception is reality...remember that Ryan Mallett is getting hit much worse with the intelligence issue. Mock drafts and current hype are not indicative of actual draft stock. NFL scouts are not looking up Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock to see where they have players goin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedrop Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 If you don't think race plays a factor then your an NAIVE IDIOT. Why don't you try joining the real world instead of whatever fantasy land your living in.Im not talking about people questioning his judgement. People have every right to do that. I'm talking about the people who say he isn't smart enough to run a pro offense, or not smart enough to read nfl defenses. The other qbs aren't dealing with those rediculous questions. Name one other highprofiled black qb that came out that didn't have to go through those same questions...and ill sit and wait for you to answer that because you can't. Now join the real world and acknowledge that this stuff goes on instead of acting like it's a thing of the past. And people wonder why we as a society can't get past racism...its because people like you get scared and act like it doesn't exist everytime its brought up. Grow the fuk up. Now ridicule that. And by the way aren't you the same dude that tried to tell me that the media has nothing to do with a players draft stock? Well its mighty funny that cam has gone from 10 to 3 after one workout for the MEDIA. I told you perception is reality...remember that would it be okay if i interjected and merely laughed at....... "f you don't think race plays a factor then your an NAIVE IDIOT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 would it be okay if i interjected and merely laughed at......."f you don't think race plays a factor then your an NAIVE IDIOT" Sure be my guest...only a no life nerd would find humor in grammer errors. So I'm glad i brung some joy and laughter to that pathetic thing you call your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedrop Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Sure be my guest...only a no life nerd would find humor in grammer errors. So I'm glad i brung some joy and laughter to that pathetic thing you call your life. it isnt your grammar shakespeare, its the sweet irony (no im not referring to post dryer laundry activities) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Ryan Mallett is getting hit much worse with the intelligence issue. Mock drafts and current hype are not indicative of actual draft stock. NFL scouts are not looking up Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock to see where they have players goin. I already said this once but I guess you just don't understand...they are questioning mallets character and decision making because he smoked weed which should be legal but thats a whole nother matter. What im talking about is questioning if he is smart enough to understand the plays and playbook and reading defenses...there is a difference in questioning ones decision making and intelligence and ability to learn. As far as the draft goes I never said that scouts and gms look to kiper,mayock etc for answers on who is rated where, I said that they value their opinion thats it, i never said they make decisions based on their opinions. Kiper and them talk to scouts all the time how do you think they make their mock drafts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 it isnt your grammar shakespeare, its the sweet irony (no im not referring to post dryer laundry activities) So your saying my post was inaccurate? If so please explain how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I can't stop laughing at this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedrop Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 So your saying my post was inaccurate? If so please explain how no......i said your post was IRONIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 no......i said your post was IRONIC. And I'm asking you how so? ---------- Post added February-23rd-2011 at 06:58 PM ---------- I can't stop laughing at this guy. Keep laughing while you try to think of a comeback...but I have a tip for you the truth can't be denied...the truth when spoken will always prevail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedrop Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 And I'm asking you how so? first some homework. go to www.dictionary.com and look up the following words - naive idiot ironic if you still do not understand after that i will explain. or anyone that feels the urge can do so at anytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 first some homework. go to www.dictionary.com and look up the following words -naive idiot ironic if you still do not understand after that i will explain. or anyone that feels the urge can do so at anytime Ok like I thought u got nothing...nice attempt at interjecting phony humor in a serious post instead of adding something intelligent to the discussion. You did a good job of deflecting the real issue and purpose of the post though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Good ol Newton thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 We're all Skins fans here. No need to turn what had been good discussion into personal attacks. Let's stay on topic fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedrop Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Ok like I thought u got nothing...nice attempt at interjecting phony humor in a serious post instead of adding something intelligent to the discussion. You did a good job of deflecting the real issue and purpose of the post though. friend, the only person that doesnt get it is you. the next time you want to insult someone you may want to make sure you dont live up to your chosen name calling in doing so. not only is it ironic but it negates any argument you may have intended and leaves people thinking you AN ill tempered fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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