JMS Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 he didn't "fix" the economy, whatever that means OK, but why then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 Ah. So Obama spent like it was going out of style, unless it's pointed out that it was actually Bush that spent like it's going out of style ... in which case it's Congress' fault.And that, folks, is where Obama went wrong. Thank you. You said that better than I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 OK by why then? huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Wow Dean. That's a suprising statement coming from you. I always thought of you as a Bush "conservative" supporter over the years. Could this mean you and I are having a similiar reaction to the GOP's spending polciies? Dean has been a consistant liberal on this board for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 And before anyone blows a gasket, yes, the GOP regularly makes promises they can't/won't keep either, but they've never claimed to be the "gov't is the answer" party. They're more the "we have no great answers" party who gets elected only because the Dems screw-up royally on a frequent basis. I disagree. The GOP just has different answers. We will restore the nation's traditional Christian values! We will secure our borders! We will win the war! We'll cut spending! Promises they routinely fail to deliver as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 I disagree. The GOP just has different answers. We will restore the nation's traditional Christian values! We will secure our borders! We will win the war! We'll cut spending!Promises they routinely fail to deliver as well. The GOP regularly campaigns on smaller government because they claim the government doesn't have any answers. The GOP also regularly runs on fiscal responsibility. The track record now for 30 years however is the largest growth in the American Government both civil and military comes under the GOP. Also by far the largest spending increases and largest debt accumulated.... The GOP just cuts taxes so the public doesn't have to pay for the excesses of these policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 I agree with that. Obama sold the American public on the fundimental corruption of the healthcare system; and then rather than construct something better; he did what every president since Johnson has done, plastered over the existing system with moderate reforms.Left the right enraged, and the left dumbfounded. Maybe what we got is better than what we had, but it's a compromise nobody could claim victory through. A compromise which was offensive to both sides. I think Obama's willingness to comprimose was rightfully seen as a sign of weakness by the country. Obama should have realized immediately that the GOP had rigid disiplne and wasn't going to give him any support for any compromise; worse they were going to blast him as a dictator regardless of his reaching out to them. They fundementally rejected his entire concept of reform. It's not any better for me. My coverage has went down, my premiums are up, and there are a bunch of new restrictions I have to deal with (not being able to use my FSA for OTCs anymore being the thorn in my side). I don't know how it will affect others, but it sucks for me. I also bridle at the notion of the gov't mandating that I carry insurance. Simply a boon for the "corrupt and evil" insurance corporations. Don't forget what a dirty word 'corporation' is for liberals; congratulations, your man in the White House gave them exactly what they wanted: more customers. Reform? Change? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 So the people are so dumb that you should lie to them and not tell them the reality of the situation is that we might be looking at an extended economic slow down until there is a pretty dramatic shift in technology that improves the effeciency of the world's economy as the computer revolution did? In a word Yes ...though it is wise to inform them of hardships ahead and not piss down their necks while you are doing it....gotta keep the morale up. People don't like reality....Look at Reagan's popularity in spite of many actions he took I could give other examples but I'm hated enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 It's not any better for me. My coverage has went down, my premiums are up, and there are a bunch of new restrictions I have to deal with (not being able to use my FSA for OTCs anymore being the thorn in my side). I don't know how it will affect others, but it sucks for me. I also bridle at the notion of the gov't mandating that I carry insurance. Simply a boon for the "corrupt and evil" insurance corporations. Don't forget what a dirty word 'corporation' is for liberals; congratulations, your man in the White House gave them exactly what they wanted: more customers. Reform? Change? Right. Obama care doesn't kick into gear for most people until 2011 or 2012. Changes in 2010 are not apparent to most folks yet. Again part of the problem. Premiums increased 10% in 2010 and the insurance comapnies claimed it was because of Obama reforms... We heard only crickets from the Obama administration. Folks had to do their own research to understand that Premiums have gone up on average 10% for decades; which was the entire motivation for reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobiemiles Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 It's about the economy stupid. Most Americans are not smart enough to know the ranglings that goes into politics, helathcare, or TARP. In the end it's about food on the table, and Obama has to make it easier for people to feed their families and realize a sense of fiscal stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December90 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm President ____________ Year______________ Increase in Debt Clinton ______________ 2001______________+ $ 130 Billion Republican Congress Bush _______________ 2002______________+ $ 430 Billion Republican Congress Bush _______________ 2003______________+ $ 450 Billion Republican Congress Bush _______________ 2004______________+ $ 600 Billion Republican Congress Bush _______________ 2005______________+ $ 600 Billion Republican Congress Bush _______________ 2006______________+ $ 600 Billion Republican Congress Bush _______________ 2007______________+ $ 500 Billion Republican Congress Bush _______________ 2008______________+ $ 1,000 Billion Democrat Congress Bush _______________ 2009______________+ $ 1.900 Billion Democrat Congress Obama______________ 2010______________+ $ 1,600 Billion Democrat Congress I am certainly no fan of the trainee in chief but sometimes it is not about the President. For as bad as the last republican controlled congress was, this Democrat controlled congress has been far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Too muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December90 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 he didn't "fix" the economy, whatever that means When you have a sick patient, you are supposed to administer medication with a hypodermic needle. The Democrats instead used a shotgun. (In other words their policies thus far have done more harm than good.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Hmmmm, thats hard. So many to choose from . Here is my top 3: 60% - 10% unemployment/economy 15% - Excellent GOP strategy and discipline 15% - Inability to communicate effectively at all 10% - History Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 He has governed like the 101st Senator rather than like a President. His leadership has been abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Obama's problem has been leadership. He delivers a great speech and he has some good policy ideas, but his leadership is pretty bad. I think even the most die hard democrat would admit it. He seems aloof, disconnected. He seems to not want to take on Congress. He has lost his connection with the American people. He caves too easily. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Too muslim. And not Black enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 He has governed like the 101st Senator rather than like a President. His leadership has been abysmal. I tried to warn ya...though admittedly I'm not sure McCain would have been any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Where he went wrong was inheriting a bad situation and doing a poor job of communicating the accomplishments that have been made. And having a part leadership that's worse at communicating than he is. Pelosi and Reid are the best they can do? Not that I think the Oompah-Loompah will be any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 I tried to warn ya...though admittedly I'm not sure McCain would have been any better. the fact that the biggest effing moron in the entire country came that close to the #2 position in our government still gives me night terrors. Can you imagine that imbecile stepping in if something were to happen to JM? That would have been the end, I'm sure of it. Of course, she did have foreign policy experience as governor, so maybe our relationship with Russia would have improved :dunce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Direction Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 He's had two huge initiatives, the stimulus and Healthcare reform. The stimulus spent a ton, had limited and unproductive tax breaks and totally failed to address the problems with housing or unemployment. Healthcare reform was a coverage bill, not a payment reform bill. I know healthcare economics are complicated, but it's obvious that the Democrats don't understand why something they see as a market system can have increasing rates for as far as the eye can see. When you fail to address the economic issues, and add 30 million people to the mix, you've made the problem worse, not better, all in the name of helping a few people on the margins with good things like pre-existing condition standards. Finally, together, the stimulus and healthcare reform have not created conditions to hire in this country. Personally, I hate this woe is me, it's Bush's fault crap. Bush inherited a recession, the intifada and stock markets that had lost 50% of their value. The country had just lost trillions in wealth, but that problem was addressed. Obama has failed to successfully address problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Duh.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 ...Personally, I hate this woe is me, it's Bush's fault crap. Bush inherited a recession, the intifada and stock markets that had lost 50% of their value. The country had just lost trillions in wealth, but that problem was addressed. Obama has failed to successfully address problems. i am sorry.. but THIS is a steaming load of ca-ca. The two situations are about as comprable as "the war on drugs" and "world effin war II". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mursilis Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 The GOP regularly campaigns on smaller government because they claim the government doesn't have any answers. The GOP also regularly runs on fiscal responsibility.The track record now for 30 years however is the largest growth in the American Government both civil and military comes under the GOP. Also by far the largest spending increases and largest debt accumulated.... The GOP just cuts taxes so the public doesn't have to pay for the excesses of these policies. So how are the Dems paying for their new spending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 I agree that's how the Glen Becks and Rush Limbaugh's characterize Obama. Did you even read my post? I started it with the fact that he MAINTAINED the poor Bush policies (*incluing spending) and then compounded it. You are arguing that even though he spent money, that he did it on par with other presidents. Your reply had little bearing to the post at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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